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Fix Rugby: Part 1

Friday, November 27 There's a growing dissatisfaction in the Rugby world with the way the game's ruling body are enforcing the laws and the current state of the game.  The whispers and moans of rugby fans are turning into fist thumping and shouts as the current laws of the game allow boring rugby to prosper.

Aimless kicking, hoof-and-chase tactics, messy breakdowns that favour the defending team, dog show scrum interpretations and more are erroding what so many people love about the game.

The IRB have come in for some serious criticism for their handling of the laws of the game in this regard.  Some of it is justified and some of it is unfair.  The failed ELV experiment was at least an effort to make the game a more open and flowing affair.  A miserable failure it might be, but at least their heart was in the right place.  What a pity that they took their eyes off what was happening while they were off cooking up some new rules in Stellenbosch though.

They are guilty, however, of promoting a sort of 'fashionable interpretations' of the laws whereby referees are told to be strict on certain interpretations and everything else seems to go out the window. 

It's almost as if the poor referees can only remember one or two things a game and go around blowing them up while cunning coaches and players find ways to kill the game (to their advantage of course) in many other ways.

Mick Cleary wrote a brilliant article in the Telegraph (UK) earlier this week where he gave 'Five ways to get rugby back up and running'.   

In this little series I am going to run through some of his ideas as well as some others and allow the SARugby.com community to have their say, poke holes or agree with the suggestions and vote on whether you'd like to see the IRB think about these changes.

Fix Rugby:  Part 1 - Substitutions

Ban or limit the number of tactical substitutions in a game.

A simple idea, but one that could have huge benefits for the rugby watching public.  Cut the number of tactical substitutions down and you'd see players tiring towards the end of games.   Tired legs and minds can pave the way for the fitter and more determined team to go on and take the game.  You'd cut out completely the routine substitutions towards the end of the game that disrupt the flow and do little for the spectacle.

Players would have to train themselves to be able to last an entire game and not just bulk themselves up for 60 or 20 minute sessions.

You could still allow injury replacements, but the injured player would face a mandatory two-week 'healing' ban to prevent the the rules being manipulated.

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By Javelin - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
A magnificent idea which will NEVER work in reality.

By PaarlBok - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Funnily to see a lot of moans and groans wherever about rugby.

Fix rugby part 1,2,3,4....15 till end

Fire Paddy OBrien and select Watson to do the job. Stop changing the rules would be the heading.

Nothing wrong with the game in SA except bums on seats. That have noting to do with rule changing, only to much top rugby these days on the telly.

Look at how cricket is going. Cant get a sell out for a ODI on Newlands, hell not in the past and rule changing alla T20 the reason for this.

The game should never lose it basic principle of good batting and bowling or in rugby like scrumming and rucking due to law changes.

Our game is on the up and heading in the right direction, till ONeil's CC kicking in over a few years and busting our bubble.

Thanks feel a bit better now. Cool

By youliedtometappe - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
I am in favour of this change. I often find my attention drifting towards the end of the game as the subs pour on the field. Sometimes the television doesn't even pick them up entering the field. This just makes everything a mess and means that you can't follow what on earth is going on.

It's not one of the most crucial changes by a long shot, but they should have looked at stuff like this before they started tampering with the breakdown and so on.

By PaarlBok - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Doesnt help if the Poms keep on faking blood bins.

By Llama - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
You could still allow injury replacements, but the injured player would face a mandatory two-week 'healing' ban to prevent the the rules being manipulated.

That part is unworkable unfortunately.

What you could do is limit the substitutions to three (both tactical and for injuries). If a player gets injured and you're out of subs - tough (.)(.)ies.

Rugby shouldn't be scared to look at the other professional sports that have many more years experience.


That's not to say I agree with the idea. Going back to the most professional of sports countries - USA. There its about having the most able bodied sportsmen on the field at all times, rolling substitutions - NHL has enough subs to make over 3 teams, NFL has around 4 teams available.

"Players would have to train themselves to be able to last an entire game and not just bulk themselves up for 60 or 20 minute sessions."

I want to see players train themselves to be the best technical athletes they can be - not the (edited)st racehorses we can find. The game could move to being one of whose (edited)st and not whose the most talented.


Looking at what I've just said, I guess I'm saying - either drop the subs down OR increase the number allowed dramatically (like another 15 on the bench with rolling subs).

By Rqd2 - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Subs are the least of the problem, but i like the idea, although with the amount of rugby played it will definately lead to more injuries, especially in the front row...

Still, tactics, especially in sa, have evolved into the kicking, wait for the opposition to make a mistake, game... So how about allowing a mark anywhere on the field, and then allow the team receiving the kick to kick it straight out and have the throw in at the lineout? That will stop aimless kicking...

By Rqd2 - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Well, having thought about it... Allow a team to mark in their own half, then kick it straight and have the throw in at the lineout...

By Gareth Rosslee - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Hey Guys,

I deliberately started with this one - just as sort of a warm-up. Of course there are far more controversial ideas that could be implemented to 'improve' the game.

I do think the substitutions idea is an interesting one though. It's something that we just take for granted and it actually doesn't really add anything to the game.

Ollie le Roux and Albert van den Bergh getting over 50 caps - is that a measure of how good they are when they each started about 4 Test matches?

Towards the end of the game it's a complete mess. From doing player ratings I can tell you that not only do the crowd, TV and commentators not know who is on the field that more than half the substitutes have little or no influence on the game. Once again pointless.

I'm keeping a list of all the suggestions so keep them coming - we'll have a look at all of them in turn. Be a good way to keep rugby fit during the off season!

Cheers,
Ed

By Javelin - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Thanks Gareth. Apprectiated.

By sergio - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
ParrlBok, regarding the bums in seats issue

You know that in Australia, if a some stadiums are not full they won’t broadcast the game in that city /town, thus encouraging ticket sales and getting people to the game

By KNECHCLK - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Let's get back to basics please...it's getting to the point that even as a spectator and player I'm finding the laws difficult to follow. Think about how the refs must feel.

It was John O'Neill's idea to begin tampering with them to begin with for fear that Union was losing appeal and revenue compared to League and AFL.

Stop interfering and trying to re-invent the wheel and we won't be in this position to begin with! Union is becoming the laughing stock of sport. How can the powers that be expect to draw crowds when no one seems to know how to interpret the laws to begin with.

We need some consistency and back to the drawing board...the way rugby should be played and what has worked up until now.

By CharlieScarlet - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
I was at twickenham to see england vs the all blacks. went with my father in law who is not a rugby man - and i found it difficult to explain to him why some of the penalties were given - i watch rugby every single weekend of my life and grew up playing the game from the time I could walk. How the hell can a novice be expected to understand the game, when I can't even explain some interpretations of the rules?

I am all for limiting the number of subs - games hardly ever get better because of substitutions

By USARugbyfan - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Rugby is a very hard game- you cannot limmit the subs too much-
you also cannot put a 2 week ban on a injured player because sometimes a players CAN be subbed for a 'niggling' slight injury
that could become major if he is left on the field,but rested he
might be ready before 2 weeks to play again! If this happens to be a 'key'player coaches would do about ANYHING to get them on the field again-so messing with the sub rules other than only injury subs being allowed is not fair to player or coach and it will be too hard to police false 'inury' subs! This is a hard one!!!

By Brownshark - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Bad idea how are you going to enforce it, 2 week healing ban for stitches or something like that is crazy.

I think the scrums are a balls up, and the rucks and mauls. The old rules were better with regards to these. I recon there are too many grey area's that allow for different interpretations. Each ref is reffing his own understanding of the rules.

And there are definately too many rules changing the whole time this game is over a 100 years old you think the best methods of reffering would have been resolved ages ago, slight adjustments are fine but each season has new ruck and maul rules which is crazy.

By bluebok - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
I have a suggested rule change. 1) Ban countries from international rugby where there has been political interference in team selections. I don't want to open a can of worms, so my rule change is sort of tongue in cheek, but it would be nice.

For real though, After 3 or more collapsed scrums, have uncontested scrums. I hate it when there is re-set after re-set after re-set....it just makes the game slow and boring. There would have to be a way of regulating a weaker scrum collapsing a scrum on purpose, and I don't pretend to know how that would be done, but as I have stated, I hate watching a game littered with collapsed scrums....EXTREMELY BORING.

By geostar - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Great idea, now who came up with something so STUPID!

By geostar - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Great idea, now who came up with something so STUPID!

By stickman - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
hmmmm... i like where cleary's intentions lie, but i can see a number of practical difficulties in implementing his two-week "healing ban". i'm sure everyone here can attest to personal experience where you genuinely had to leave a game injured and then were fine to play a week later (after taking it easy during the week of course!). perhaps a one-week ban would be fairer, but i'd still be concerned that players would stay on the field for unnecessarily long periods whilst injured just to make sure they wouldn't be forced to miss the next game(s). moreover, the "healing ban" would fail to have any effect on finals, which is where you'd really like some of your most 'exciting' rugby.

i think we'd need to come up with something more effective and a limit to substitutes could be the way forward, although that has problems of its own...! (i can only imagine the cries of injustice that will come out as soon as a team loses because it had less the 15 players on the field.)

also, i'm not sure whether the ed was making a call for other suggestions beyond this issue of substitutes, but here's a quick one nonetheless: take the "hit" out of the scrum.
i know, i know... controversial, but i honestly can't stand watching 10-15 scrums collapse every game. winning the scrum nowadays seems all about winning the hit, not actual ability to scrum (i.e. push). moreover, i think awkward collisions in the hit are in large part to blame for illegal srummaging (boring in, up, etc)

just a thought. use it, don't use it.

By cramer - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Well, if you think in the amateur days a doctor had to make a call whether a player can be subbed.

By wildside - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Should there be a window in which tactical substitutions are allowed, possibly during the third quarter only ???
Injuries would be an exception.

By Boesman - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Substitutes are used for various reasons. They use it when there is an injury or to save some of the players or when players get tired. Sometimes, it is also used to bring on impact players, which might or might not change the flow of the game. IMO, I think think they are very rarely used for tactical reasons.

Look at soccer, they have 3 substitutes and they have to give good consideration about which players to substitute. With rugby it feels as if they decide before the match who they will substitute and at what time.

IMO, the substitutes must consist of a specialist hooker, a specialist tighthead prop, specialist loosehead prop, 2 forwards and 2 backline players. Thus, Making it more specific.

In short, it means that the problem does not necessarily lie in the number of substitutes, but in the application thereof.

By pviorels - Castle Braai recommendations: 0
Why not put all the players run for same km before the game, so the game start will all players tired.

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