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kingcorn

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So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 14:11:37

Planetrugby recently took a poll on Hougaard where he actually came 4th on the overall list


http://www.planetrugby.com/poll/results/0,26151,317567,00.html


Cobus reinach ranks higher than him. Here is the list with number of votes


Pienaar - 207

Kockott - 166

Reinach - 109

Hougaard - 83


I personally have to agree, Hougaard is a liability at the base. How many times this season did he get caught with ball in hand or got charged down. 


Time to invest in youngsters 



Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 14:13:18
Well given they have Pienaar as number 1 about sums that poll up you fool 


mozart

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 14:45:05
Well Dave I can remember when you were adamant that Pienaar should be the Bok  flyhalf, his second best position....so complaining about him at scrum half, his best position seems a bit illogical.

But I'd say this survey has it about right. And if Pollard starts having Pienaar around as goal kicking cover is not the worst thing.

Hougaard like JJ is toast.


clevermike

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 14:53:14
 I believe that that survey was done about a year ago - otherwise Fourie du Preez would have featured as well.   So lets get this straight =

*    Pienaar is going backwards and that is a fact;
*    Hougaard did not have a good game on Saturday and the question is - when last did he have a good game?
*   Reinach only came to the fore last year as a scrummie and was very junior at that time.  


Sharkbok

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 14:54:34
 Careful Kingcorn, Hougie is on the Saffex favourite list. 
It is unreasonable to question a favourite of Saffex.


kingcorn

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 16:18:40
 Nope, it was done on Monday, 

Who should start at scrum-half for the Springboks in the Rugby Championship?


Du Preez is out for the rest of the year.

Don't get me wrong Dave, I like Hougaard but he has been struggling at 9


mozart

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 17:14:04

Inspector Oom taxes the  little grey cells, and comes up with exactly the wrong conclusion.....again 


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 17:56:23

Moz that was many years ago.....I don't hang on to players that are past it......Pienaar is past it just like Jean, Bakkies, Steenkamp and Matfield are.

 

 

It was Pienaar over useless Morne at 10 - easy call to make, confirmed by Pienaar's MOM against England at 10

 

 

Who says JJ and Hougaard are toast, you or Meyer - well the less said there better I think 


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 17:57:41

King, if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that Hougaard has come good at 9 this year, so no he has not been struggling at all.

 

 

du Preez has shown nothing to suggest he is better and Pienaar has just been damn poor - he is far too passive 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 03, 2014, 18:09:13
hougaard is the best halfback in SA, but theres not one coach in SA that can bring out the best in him.

while hes no slowpoke, the likes of reinach and van zyl have habana like acceleration, and that mixed in with the other parts of their game makes them dangerous.

with du preez out, meyer needs to consider starting goosen or boshoff at 10, as the other halfbacks will make the halves pairing an imbalanced duo with mornes pro 10man game.

van zyl shoulkd have stayed with the cheetahs too, what a waste of time going to the bulls.


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 09:55:22

Spot on Sas as usual

 

In order our best 9's are Hougaard, Faf de Klerk, Reinach, v/Zyl and Groom.....all quality 9's

 

du Preez is up there but what's the point given he has nothing new to offer and offers nothing with ball in hand. Nice service and a good boot - do we really need that?

 


Sharkbok

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 13:40:53
Fourie Dupreez is the best scrum half in South Africa. 

Scrumhalfs need to offer a good service and boot, but their option taking is what sets them apart. 

Hougaard does not pass as well as FDP, nor does he kick as well. His option taking is not as good as FDP either. 

He does offer more around the base of rucks than FDP with sniping runs and he is more physical, but aside from that FDP is better. 


mozart

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 14:06:27
Correction....we think he makes sniping breaks. But I can't remember when last Hougaard made a Faf-like break. He seems dood in sy sokkies....his reflexes look shot. Kinda like a boxer that can no longer pull the trigger.


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 14:15:04

Rubbish, Hougaard's pass is just as good as du Preez, yes they cant compare in the kicking stakes but to be frank I don't want to see a Bok 9 with a boot for the last thing we need to do is kick anymore ball away.

 

du Preez cannot begin to compare with Hougaard with ball in hand and to say that Hougaard has made no breaks lately is just complete bullshit.

 

 

Part of Hougaard's rejuvenation this season is that we have seen the odd break come back into his game.

 

 

Hougaard is fine, he just needs to refrain from those worthless box kicks.

 

 

Selecting du Preez is just another pathetic conservative selection.......but of the old farts he is one we could live with......unlike the likes of Kirchner, Fourie, Morne, Pienaar, Steenkamp, Bakkies and Matfield 


clevermike

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 14:48:25
 Saffex

With respect - if the best Hougaard can produce is what he produced on Saturday he definitely is not meeting requirements.   He was at times woeful in executiion and he made no real impression is anything he tried to do.  

I liked Hougaard initially - - but since 2012 he has gonme backwads in performance and he is definitely not international standard at this stage.      


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 14:50:01

Mike what you know about rugby is fuck all so just shut up, I am not interested in listening to your ignorant shit

 

Hougaard was good on Sat and that is a FACT 


clevermike

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 15:05:11
Saffex

 Knocking on balls - rolling out passes - slow service - was that good enough? 


Devil's Advocate

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 15:11:05

Mike

 

You enquire if he is good enough......

 

Well.... by SafeSex's standards yes

 

By your standards no

 

There we go, sorted, move on please..... next 


Saffex

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 15:29:59

Mike his service was spot on you lying prick......he knocked one ball on thanks to a forwards arse getting in the way. He had one bad pass all game......does that make his game poor you stupid man?

 

 

Go watch the game again you stupid fool and point out which of his passes were slow, poor etc......the game is on record, you cant escape - stop fucking making it up....its pathetic and you wonder why people cant stand you on here - you speak shit 


clevermike

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 04, 2014, 15:36:47
 Saffex

Sorry I saw more than one bad pass and his service was not all that good in any event.   Bt I know you think Houigaard is the best - even in 2012 and 2013 when he wqas extremely poor - so lets leave it at that.  


Denny

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RE: So its official, Hougaard is not SA best Scrummy
July 05, 2014, 15:02:38
 Hougaard lost his mojo a long time ago, he has failed to deliver on the early promise he showed us when he first burst onto the scene. It's a great pity as we really have no world class scrummies.


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