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Saffex

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A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 13:45:41

Will Meyers side that played against Wales, with the exclusion of Serfontein for Jean, beat Oz and NZ this RC?


mozart

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 13:48:26
 No that side wont play against New Zealand. But the side that includes Jean and Etzebeth will win both of our home tests.


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 13:52:23

Which side will play against Wales then......Jean will come in for Serfontein and given Etzebeth has now broken his toe, I doubt we will see him in a hurry. So yes the team that played against Wales will pretty much be the side that will play against Oz and NZ

 

 

Ok, noted, you reckon that, that Bok side will beat NZ at home - wow.

 

 

There is one certainty Moz, that side wont come close to NZ at home and they will struggle to beat Oz at home - my call is that they will lose all 4 against Oz and NZ 


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 14:49:24
 Saffex

There is already one change that needs to be made and that is Fourie du Preez - he is out for the full RC and probably for 6 months.

I do not think that players like Morne Steyn, Victor Matfield and Willem Alberts will  not last through to the home CR games - by that time with bad losses away from home - Meyer might just realize that he is onto dead donkeys in their cases and be forced to make changes.

Etzebetth will be able to start playing in the CC competition and will definitely be able to play in the RC.  The broken toe issue is not all that serious.

 


  

       


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 15:46:46
Well that fool Meyer, will start with Pienaar 


mozart

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 16:00:12
 Well Dave...you and Mike have consistently predicted Bok losses for the last 13 months...Scotland and Argentina aside. So what has changed?


The Boks should have won the Ellis park test last year.  We out gained the ABs 722 metres to 502. We made 14 clean breaks to 9.

I believe we are a better team now, Willie has gained in stature, we have come back from the death against Wales ...we have won seven matches and lost none. So I believe we have gained on the ABs.

The Wallabies have progressed as well, with Skelton a bit of an x factor. Still I believe we will continue our forward dominance. It should be a close thing in Oz. but in RSA Australia has only won rarely against poor Bok teams. This is not a poor Bok team.


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 01, 2014, 16:19:16
 Mozart

Poor defense cost us dearly in the Ellis Park test and I am convinced that the team can be strengthened by some changes.  If we want to maintain forward dominance - we better forget about Matfield - irrespective of what you say - his contribution to the Tight 5 is minimal. and we cannot have dominance with him not contributing.

I think that Morne remains the weak link in the team - he was extremely questionable in the second Welsh test in particular and would rather see Pollard, Goosen or Lambie in the flyhalf position. 

I hope they get the prop forwards right - maybe Jannie would be better after a rest - there is no news about Beast's injury, etc.   The props were just not good enough in all games played in June.   

I would also not like to see Pietersen playing at 13 opposite the Aussie and AB outside backs = they would run circles around him - and think Meyer may fall back to De Allende in the RB.

I am not saying we are going to lose against the AB's and the Wallabies - we are with the team that played Wales - but I hope that the changes will result in substantial  improvement.    

    


mozart

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 01:50:43
Mike.......please, I'm asking you nicely........say something new 


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 09:08:31
 Mozart

Stating facts you do not like about a specific issue cannot be hidden away.   You come up with the same type of thing all the time - but that is according to you is acceptable -  Morne Steyn, Matfield and Alberts are irreeplacable,
-  Serfontein will fail in the RC; etc

So what new has you produced in all the years you have been on this site - nothing.   All the same old tune all the time - any younger player is rubbish - the older players are all that counts.    If it comes to you - if a player cannot be faulted thriough performnance - up comes your own phrases to discredit the player.   
 


Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 12:19:23
 


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 09:08:31
 Mozart

Stating facts you do not like about a specific issue cannot be hidden away.   You come up with the same type of thing all the time - but that is according to you is acceptable -  Morne Steyn, Matfield and Alberts are irreeplacable,

It is the same as ignoring facts that you do not  like.

You particularly like these Ellis Park stats:

FH Steyn 0/1 7 5/32/3 15 0 1 0 0 7/4 0/0 0 0/0

You ignore these stats:

v All Blacks - Auckland

FH Steyn 0/1 5 7/20/1 4 0 0 0 2 9/1 0/0 0 0/0

v Australia - Cape Town

FH Steyn 0/0 13 13/25/8 55 0 0 0 5 11/1 1/0 0 0/0

v Australia - Brisbane

FH Steyn 0/0 18 7/11/2 2 0 0 0 2 8/2 0/0 0 0/0


More importantly, you constantly fail to remember these stats from "the Ellispark test".

W le Roux 1/0 5 1/7/9 117 3 4 1 5 0/5 0/0 0 0/0

(H) Strauss 0/0 0 0/3/5 10 0 1 1 2 2/3 0/0 0 0/0

H BW du Plessis 0/0 0 0/3/8 3 0 2 2 1 0/1 0/0 1 0/0

You also ignore the fact that despite the four missed tackles by Morne in that test, he still made the third highest number of tackles out of the entire match 23. He was only beaten by a Etzebeth, a forward who made 9 and another forward, Alberts (yes, fucking ALBERTS) with 8. In addition, his number of attempted tackles were the highest of anybody in the entire fucking team. Yet you still piss about his defence. Even in this, his "worst defensive game" in 2013, his defence was better than most of the other players in the team on that day.






clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 13:22:41
 Dof Doos

You are a simpleton as well.  All players miss tackles - but missed tackles by players like Alberts and Morne Steyn that resulted in tries are extremely bad.  Morne missed two tackles and Alberts one in cases where tries were in fact scored.   

Morne's defense is now suddenly justified when he missed  35% of attempted tackles.  Are you nuts?  His defense in all the games quoted by you indicates a missed tackle ratio of 18,7%  - which is too high in any event.   If you look at his record in the French test last year - his missed tackle ratio was 20% and t seems as if at the best of times Morne misses too many tackles to be classified as an acceptable defender.

So please accept that the Stade Francais Reject is just not good enough to play on international level.     



Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 13:27:30
 Ag gaan pis en gaan rus. His tackle rate is amongst the best in the whole  fucking team, you clown.

Why don't you piss about Le Roux' missed tackle rate of 100%, or Strauss' missed tackle rate of 60% or Bismarck's tackle rate of 100%? I will tell you why. It is because you do not passionately hate them.

No fuck off and  go support the ABs or Aus  or whoever you want to support in stead of the Springboks.


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 13:33:23

Moz, I said nothing about losses to Wales and Scotland, I said our side was shit. That was confirmed in the second test against Wales.

 

 

What I am saying is that if Meyer selects the same or very similar side to the one that played against Wales, we will lose all our tests to Oz and NZ this year.....for the simple reason that the side does not represent the best we have at our disposal.......not even 50% of it


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 13:41:35
 Dowwer Doos

I support the Sprigboks - not some poor players like Morne Steyn who plays undeservedly so for them.    Because I criticize some plaers that does ntot belong in the team I am suddenly disloyal. - what a joke.  


Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 14:18:51


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 13:41:35
 Dowwer Doos

I support the Sprigboks - not some poor players like Morne Steyn who plays undeservedly so for them.    Because I criticize some plaers that does ntot belong in the team I am suddenly disloyal. - what a joke.  



I have never seen you say anything positive about the Boks, ever. You have predicted losses on many occasions and then remained quite subdues when they won by big margins. By the same token you are always very vocal about close games or lost games. You always harp on when players have a bad game and you use only those games in your critique against those players. You conveniently ignore the many times that they play well, because it does not serve your subversive little agenda. Fuck you. You are a fucking lowlife traitor. I do not believe you when you say that you support the Boks, scumbag. May your fingers turn into fishing hooks and may you develop the itchy skin around your balls. May your wrists turn into arse holes so that every time you sit down to eat, you crap in your own plate.



Sharkbok

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 14:24:02
South Africa often struggle to beat both Australia and New Zealand when on tour. 
How many wins have the Boks actually had since 1992 away from home.

During the Pdivvy years we actually saw the worst home record every against Australia, and the All Blacks as well. 
Pdivy selections were pretty easy as well because often it was clear who was the best in each position, having inherited a young but experienced team from Jake White.

With Meyer the record against Australia has improved allot, and hopefully it will do so with the All Blacks soon. 

The bottom line is that Meyers overall test results are the 3rd best since readmission. If the Boks had played Ireland and England last year it could well have been a grand slam victory. 

I guess that it will be the same routine were certain fans. The coach will never be good enough, the player selection will be wrong etc etc. 
Every new kid player on the block should be selected for the Boks. Every one season wonder should be selected etc, etc.

After 4 years of Pdivvy as fans we should at least be grateful we have a quality coach that was able to win the SuperXV. 

Interestingly we may actually see Matfield become the Bok head coach in time to come. 

Apparently he is taking over the Bulls in 2016 as head coach.


 


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 15:03:13

Well Shark, its time to change that record and start beating these sides away from home as the Kiwi's manage to do.

 

 

Sadly that is never going to happen while useless Meyer is our coach 


Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 15:19:36
 "The bottom line is that Meyers overall test results are the 3rd best since readmission. If the Boks had played Ireland and England last year it could well have been a grand slam victory. "


Kitch' record of 100% should actually not even be mentioned. He was an "amateur-era" coach and in addition to that, he took over from Ian Mac's side and added a few players. Then won the RWC, went on an EOYT and that was it. Apart from the RWC tournament, he was in charge for three EOYT games, prior to the RWC, against Arg (X2), Scotland and Wales. Then it was the seven RWC tournament games and then after that another three EOYT games against England, Wales and Italy. He only ever played NZ and Aus once.


Sun-Tzu

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 16:05:35
Lets put it this way, will New Zealand or Australia play as well as Wales did in that first half? I seriously doubt it. Australia haven't played that well since the first game against us in 2006. Even then, it didn't have that physical intensity. So that puts it in perspective, and the Boks backed their backline at the death to create the winning try - Hendricks was put clean through. Your question is redundant Saffex, your bleats against Meyer are utter insanity. He is doing a better job of coaching the Boks than you would with your nonsense selection policies alone.

@Ceradyne: Kitch was an average coach. He based his team on the successful Transvaal side, and simply managed them with his good people skills. He was not a technically good coach. To further dent the legend, he only played two games away from home; the Rome test against Italy and then the final test of the year against England. Neither side were very strong that year - the QF between Australia and England being something of a cripple fight. He is further away from the class of Jake and Meyer than Peter, and that's the plain and honest truth.


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 17:00:36
Sun stop speaking shit, just man up and answer the question - will Meyer's geriatric side beat Oz and NZ? 


Sun-Tzu

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 20:05:33
 I speak fact old man. Predictions are a foolish endeavor, but I wholeheartedly back the Boks to do well in this years Rugby Championship. They have everything going for them and are much more complete now than in 2013.


Beeno1

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 20:30:00
 Windpomp keep this scandalous nonsense on kamp SS "Fuck you. You are a fucking lowlife traitor. I do not believe you when you say that you support the Boks, scumbag. May your fingers turn into fishing hooks and may you develop the itchy skin around your balls. May your wrists turn into arse holes so that every time you sit down to eat, you crap in your own plate. "

I have seldom heard such vile stuff! One questions your sanity! 



Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 02, 2014, 20:35:48
 Get stuffed Beenbal. Have you ever said anything about the clown calling me a cunt? Fuck you as well.


ntanga

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 09:55:06
 @ Ceradyne:  there is no need to use such language; after all, Mike like everyone on this board is entitled to his opinion.  Keep your cool despite disagreements on certain stuff;  Clevermike is a serious contributor on this board as much as you are.

Shalom guys.


Saffex

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 10:00:05
Just as I thought Sun - you are a yellow belly - man up man.......you wont answer as you are lying to yourself. The current Bok side is shit.......Oz and NZ are going to prove that.......they will lose all 4 tests 


clevermike

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 10:17:48
 thanks ntanga.

Whenever Cerdayne makes a serious post - I do respect his viewpoints and answer him civilly.  When he merely try to jap at members heals and lap up what he considers to be wrong info - he really is a nuisance and I lose my patience as a result.   

However, there is one thing about Ceradyne - he is a 1000% Bulls supporter and he does nto see any good in any other players.   He is a Morne, Bakkies and Matfield addict and whenever somebody says any negative about any Bulls or Ex0Bulls players - he goes bananas.  Maybe one should have a little more patience - knowing where he comes iro his rugby thinking.  


Ceradyne

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 10:24:29
 
ntanga

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 09:55:06
 @ Ceradyne:  there is no need to use such language; after all, Mike like everyone on this board is entitled to his opinion.  Keep your cool despite disagreements on certain stuff;  Clevermike is a serious contributor on this board as much as you are.

Shalom guys.

I cannot understand why it is suddenly an issue when I reply to the clown in this way. He has been calling me a cunt for ages. I do not talk like that to anybody else bar him and Saffex, who has the habit of calling everybody else pricks.

Of course he is entitled to his opinion. The only difference is that he does not grant anybody else the same privilege. Anybody who disagrees with him is stupid, ignorant, illiterate, etc,etc. Fuck him.


Devil's Advocate

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 11:56:55

Thats normal Ceradyne

 

Selective memory to suit their argument


mance

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 12:09:44
 Saffex. Do you believe we have the players to win all four tests? If so, please could you give us your team. Run on side and bench.


oimatey

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 16:02:34
To answer your question Saff, need to define the team as there have been some injuries.

Including Pienaar as the likely scrumhalf, bracketing Etzebeth/de Jager for Flip, JDV for Serfontein, Burger for Alberts since Burger played the majority of the Test:

Le Roux, Hendricks, Pietersen, JDV, Habana, Steyn, Pienaar, Vermuelen, Burger, Louw, Matfield, Etzebeth/de Jager, du Plessis, du Plessis, Mtawarira


Our chances took a major blow with the injury of FDP. Pienaar is a big downgrade. Even so that team is good enough to win the RC and I think they will. A natural progression of the momentum that has been building. As with last year, my opinion is that the series will come down to the Ellis Park Test although this time hopefully we will be able to play the more natural balanced game plan. Yes, the Aussies are much more dangerous this year than last year especially with some of their pack players in good form (Skelton, Hooper, Palu, Slipper) but the AB's have to play them as well as us and my opinion is that the current Aussie style of play is more of a threat to the AB's than the Boks and that they are still susceptible to a dominant pack.

Looking at the team above compared to the team from last years Ellis Park test and there are improvements everywhere.

Le Roux - Hendricks as 15-14 combo is much better than Kirchner - Le Roux especially with the 2014 version of le Roux much better than 2013. Pietersen is an improvement on JJ. We will have Habana for the full 80 instead of just 19 (what difference could that have made?). Burger brings more to the table than Alberts. The Matfield - Etzebeth/de Jager lock combo is much better than the Etzebeth - Kruger combo especially since it will shore up two areas where we struggled in Ellis Park 2013 - restarts and lineouts. Only downgrade is at the scrumhalf position, and who knows - maybe Pienaar plays out of his mind. He has more than enough experience.

Also, would not be surprised if by the time of the Ellis Park test Pollard has worked his way into a starting position. Hopefully that lone change would not disqualify the team from being "Meyer's geriatrics"







mozart

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RE: A question to Moz and all other Meyer fans
July 03, 2014, 17:10:01
Yep....you nailed it Matey 


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