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Just_win

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Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 06:36:05

Danny Care believes England are perfectly equipped to topple New Zealand on the All Blacks' turf in the mid-year Test series and win the World Cup on English soil next year.

Stuart Lancaster's team turn their focus to the world's No.1 team after they were narrowly pipped to the post by Ireland, who beat France to clinch the Six Nations Championship.

England face the world champions in Auckland, Dunedin and Hamilton in June and scrumhalf Care, one of the stars of the Six Nations, says the series could act as the perfect springboard to the ultimate prize in 2015.

The 27-year-old is looking forward to the encounters with New Zealand and he believes England will play without fear of their opponents.

Writing on his Sportlobster blog, Care said: "We don't want to be second best. We want to be world No.1, so it will be brilliant to go to New Zealand and test ourselves.

"We can win the World Cup. With the way we are trying to play the game and the amount by which we are improving every week, it is building up nicely.

"This is where we want to reach our peak. We want to reach a new level in August next year. The team is playing well and players are returning from injury, but we will know more after the mid-year Test series against the All Blacks.

"The result of the tour will show us where we are in comparison with the world's best. Come the 2015 World Cup, if the Twickenham crowd are as supportive as they were for the Six Nations, it will certainly act as a big advantage."

England were unfortunate to taste defeat against New Zealand at Twickenham last year after they overturned a score of 3-17 to lead 22-20, only to lose 22-30.

However, Care added: "We are very excited for the three-match series against the All Blacks. There is a lot of rugby to play, including domestically with the Premiership.

"They live and breathe rugby in New Zealand and they are currently the best team in the world, so it will be interesting to see how we get on against them. We can take a lot from our performance against New Zealand last year.

"New Zealand obviously have a huge amount of experience and some of the greatest players to have ever played rugby. Our caps total is lower than New Zealand's, but we are a young and exciting team.

"Our squad is working incredibly hard and we are learning every week. Experience counts for a lot in the sport, but we have learned more with every game played. From the loss in France to the win against Italy, we continue to develop."

England finished their Six Nations campaign with a resounding victory in Rome, but Care said there was an air of frustration after the title eluded the team for a second consecutive year.

He added: "We obviously hoped France could win the game. The team were watching the match before we had dinner and urging on France. However, it wasn't to be. We came so close again, which is frustrating, but I think the tournament was a huge success for the whole England team.

"The way we bounced back from the France defeat to go on and win the Triple Crown and notch up more than 50 points against Italy was incredibly pleasing. We can be extremely proud of ourselves. It puts us in a good position to move forward.

"You can look back in hindsight and wonder if we could have defended better in the final ten minutes against France, but these things happen in rugby. The Six Nations is such a special tournament, because everyone can beat anyone.

"France took their chances on the day and got a couple of lucky bounces, but the way we recovered from the defeat was just brilliant from the boys."

Mike Brown, who scored four tournament tries, earned praise for his performances in the Six Nations and Care agreed with popular opinion by saying the fullback was his player of the tournament.

He said: "Mike Brown was immense in all of the five games. He deserves to be named as the player of the tournament and he highlighted what should be the main characteristics of an England player.

"He is a great guy, he worked hard and he never gave up. Everyone is in a tough position with so many competitors for each position and so you have to take your chance. Brown certainly took his opportunity."

However, Care was also satisfied with his own displays, especially after he scored crucial tries against fierce rivals Ireland and Wales in front of the raucous home support.

"It was an unbelievable feeling to score for England, especially in front of the Twickenham crowd. My try against Ireland was probably my favourite with a 40-metre run towards the line and the crowd urging me over.

"It is always nice to score, obviously. I loved every minute of the Six Nations and it was great to have a run-in with the team. I knew I had to take my chance this year and eventually I did. I hope I have repaid the faith shown in me by the coaches."

Source: Sportlobster


Just_win

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 06:38:55
Headline exaggerates what Danny is saying of course but I am sure the Poms (like Oz) will talk themselves up. Any time someone says "we don't fear" a team it makes me wonder.

Still the Poms are improving as are several teams so it will be an interesting test year.


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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 06:52:55
 Just Win

Will be interesting - but my money is on the All Blacks.  The English is talking - but as the old saying goes - "Talk is cheap - money buys the whiskey".


Just_win

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 06:57:01
I agree Clevermike but as usual the other teams are putting pressure on the ABs so they will be looking to evolve their game. Same old story but it  makes every year an interesting one.


Rooinek

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 07:52:19
It's a bit harsh to accuse Danny Care of chest-beating in this case. What do people expect him to say? "We're going to New Zealand and we'll probably get our arses kicked"? Huh? Of course he's going to give his team a chance. He probably wouldn't be picked to tour if he didn't.

England were unlucky not to win this year's 6N with a very young and promising side and they're not going to New Zealand in June without a chance of at least one victory in the series. They gave the All Blacks a good game the last time they met and the previous contest between the two was the biggest drubbing the All Blacks have had in recent memory.

I know I sound like a bit of a stuck record but again I'm saying a lot will depend on Manu Tuilagi. He was the architect of that 2012 English victory and if he's fit and in-form then  he can provide the backline thrust to complement England's powerful forward pack. I reckon it'll be a 2-1 series victory for the All Blacks . . . and if Tuilagi fires again then there's a gambler's chance of England winning the series.


hakwa

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 07:55:59
 As long England doesn't retreat into their shell and play negative rugby


3ku1

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 09:07:53
 Theirs a big difference between Ireland and NZ, two points in fact lol 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 10:29:58
@rooy,

"It's a bit harsh to accuse Danny Care of chest-beating in this case. What do people expect him to say? "We're going to New Zealand and we'll probably get our arses kicked"? Huh? Of course he's going to give his team a chance. He probably wouldn't be picked to tour if he didn't."

spot on rooy, i wonder why the rest of ur countrymen have a hard time making valid points, o_O

but on the topic at hand, its important that every team and player enters a match feeling confident and ready to give it their all and thats all danny care was saying.

there have been examples in the past where players and coaches will talk their chances up, but also disrespect the All Blacks, like mackenzie before his first test last year where the All Blacks gave his wallys a right royal whipping.
what was hilarious was the referee hounding campaign that mackenzie and horwill launched the following week. are mackenzies parents or grandparents south african???

"England were unlucky not to win this year's 6N with a very young and promising side and they're not going to New Zealand in June without a chance of at least one victory in the series. They gave the All Blacks a good game the last time they met and the previous contest between the two was the biggest drubbing the All Blacks have had in recent memory."
england unlucky not win it??? i guess so, but they also would have been lucky to win it given the closeness with ireland. kind of fitting that when it comes to luck, the luck of the irish is a safer bet, lolz, :oP

england did give the All Blacks a good drubbing, but IMO as dominant as that performance from england was, it was also a little lucky.
complacency and a tired looking All Blacks, plus a determined england team who had the bounce of the ball, but all are cheap execuses which dont change the fact the better team won.
IMO though, under the same cir[removed]stances with the same players, i would back the All Blacks to rise up and beat england.

the biggest drubbing in recent memory the All Blacks got was IMO at the hands of the Boks in SA in 2009.
on the back of mornes and frans styens boot, they exploited the All Blacks weakness perfectly. with the exact same players in that situation, i doubt that the outcome would change.


Rooinek

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 11:03:54
"england unlucky not win it???"

I thought so. England showed a lot of guts in the game against France to come back from 16-3 down and France only won it by 2 points with a 78th minute converted try. That turned out to be the only game England lost so I think you can say they were a bit unlucky.

As for the All Blacks loss to the Springboks in 2009, note that the Springboks hammered the hapless All Blacks three times in 2009. You'll have to be a bit more specific!


becs

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 12:38:55
 It is a ridiculous heading of a topic.

He was asked a question and gave an answer. He doesn't say anything about going to NZ to " hammer " them. He says England will be able to judge where they stand after the Tour and how he feels we have improved. Is honesty not allowed now then ? 
Given most of the topics on this site are ( tongue in cheek or no ) about how fantastic NZ/their players are, it seems rather hypocritical/stupid to either jump on another player for making a perceived claim that they too might just be performing quite well these days and, shock horror, might just be able to stand toe to toe with the mighty All Blacks at some point in the future.  Such blasphemy ! Perhaps the IRB should be informed and he can be banned or something ? ! 

With regards the Tour, the players in the First Test will be a mish mash yet again as our Season will still be at its peak and the Final will be played when they are leaving/have left for NZ, so presumably some of the starters will be at home still. It's a chance to try out players like George Ford at 10 and get the other Wings back into play, although Yarde and Wade had barely started their careers before injury halted them ! Watson will be out there too, I should imagine. And I hope some of the injured players will make a return as well. 
As for Tuilagi, I slightly disagree with Rooinek. I think we have Centres in abundance that are more creative and also stand up in the tackle better than him, Burrell for example. He also doesn't fly out of the line in defence like Manu. We shall see how he fits in with the plans now he is back and fit. 

Also, we did deserve to win the 6 Nations. We were the better team in many respects and that was pretty amazing given the wholesale changes and injuries once more. Given the flukey Tries and the injury issues in France, we came back incredibly well and it was really the failure to have a replacement 10 over there that did for us, I feel. Farrell was on no legs at all for quite some time, we needed a 10 out there. It was a gutsy performance and, but for those 2 points we would have had a Grand Slam. It was as simple as that. We obliterated Wales and Scotland ( and didn't have to have 14 men to do it ) and we absolutely dominated Ireland too. So yes, we are playing well and if we had have won, we would have deserved it. 
We are a very new and developing team. The rest of them are old hands and very experienced ones at that. 

Oh and we topped almost all of the stats.......and if Mike Brown doesn't get player of the Tournament it will be a travesty, pure and simple.


Furthermore, I do not expect England to go to NZ and win. I never expect them to go anywhere and win. I am, not, what you all like to call a " chestbeater ". What I want to see is them go and improve, equip themselves well and hold their own. And if we pick up a win or two on the way I will be delighted, especially for them.
But I sick to death of hearing about how useless my team is when they are not and how arrogant they are when all I actually see is the rest of you saying how great you all are all the time. You all do have an odd perception of the definition, don't you ? 
!
They are not going to go there expecting to be hammered. If they do that, they are not sportsmen. They might as well not be going. Simple as that. And what ever they say, you will all misrepresent anyway. So they are damned whatever they do or say really.




Sharkbok

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 13:13:35
Care said: "We don't want to be second best. We want to be world No.1, so it will be brilliant to go to New Zealand and test ourselves.

Who said that England were 2nd best?
Last time I checked they were ranked number 4 in the world. 

IRB World Rankings - 17  March  2014
Position (last week)Member UnionRating Point
1(1)NZLNEW ZEALAND93.81
2(2)RSASOUTH AFRICA89.34
3(3)AUSAUSTRALIA86.88
4(4)ENGENGLAND85.68
5(6) IREIRELAND82.13
6(7) WALWALES80.70
7(5) FRAFRANCE80.07
8(8)SAMSAMOA77.34
9(9)ARGARGENTINA76.44
10(10)SCOSCOTLAND75.16


Rooinek

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 13:18:16
Good grief, just how stupid is this Twatbok buffoon?

"Who said that England were 2nd best?"

Ummm . . . maybe you should try answer your own question, stupidissimo!


mozart

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 13:25:49
We'll said Sharkbok....rank arrogance for the Poms to claim they are second best. After the RC the ABs will fully deserve that position. 


Just_win

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 14:09:51

Err Moz: the future is always full of possibilities & who am I to trounce your forlorn hope of being number 1, but at present there is fight for no 2 & SA is holding on for dear life. Oz, France, Poms all look like they are catching up:angel:


Sharkbok

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 14:50:23
No one talks themselves up like the English. 
Every tournament they enter, the sports team talks themselves as the favourites, the have no humility, and enjoy any limelight they can get. 

This is why barely anyone ever supports the English.

I remember at the last Football world cup, it was the usual fan fare of the players telling every camera how great they are. 
Then they talked down a really small country saying that they were crap etc. 
It really offended the players in that team, and they started shouting in the media that England were crap. 
As it happened the game was a draw and England scrapped into the next round where they were knocked out with out much trouble.

When rugby teams play England at Twickenham and win, rarely is a cup handed out- and if it is, then Sky Sports hardely shows it. When England win, they parade around the field for hours, and Sky Sports laps it up. 




Sharkbok

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 14:50:33
duplicate


Rooinek

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 19:01:25
Twatbok, I know you're a profoundly stupid little man but not even I think you're so stupid that you don't understand what you're being asked here. Stop dodging the question, stop trying to change the subject like a pathetic little coward and answer your own question . . . who is claiming that England are the second ranked side in the world?

Danny Care said he doesn't want the #2 ranking for England, he wants to be ranked #1. Does your feeble little brain translate that as a claim that England are the #2 ranked team? Hmmm? 

Come on, speak up dumbo . . . we can't hear you.

If it helps you understand what a complete fool you're making of yourself, consider this . . . what if I said to you that I don't want to die? Does that mean I'm dead?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!

When you've finished wiping all that egg off your bright red face, Twatbok, be a good chap and help your fork-tongued pal moffie wipe his face clean of egg as well.


mozart

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 19:42:47

Unbelievable what rings some poster's bell. I think it's pretty obvious to anybody with a brain that claiming you don't want to be number 2, when in fact you are number 4 is pure arrogance. So answer me this RooiAAS. Are they going to leap straight to number 1, totally avoiding number 2? Of course these guys would love to be number 2. Can you follow the bouncing ball?


Sharkbok

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 19:55:03
 Roie[removed], "what if I said to you that I don't want to die? Does that mean I'm dead?"

If you were dead how could you say you don't want to be dead....WTF
Being dead you couldn't do anything, let alone think. 

Still, even if I try to follow your warped logic, saying that you don't want to be number 2 does not make you number 2. 
It does not make you number 1 either or number 3. It makes you nothing other than being hopeful. 

Scotland are 10th, last in the top 10. Do you think they want to be better? Does this change the fact that they are currently crap, and just cant do much about it.


Rooinek

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 20:40:24
Twatbok, you are clearly too stupid to understand anything that I might be dumb enough to tell you. 

If you feel you have something more to say on this matter, first answer the question (for the third time) by pointing out exactly where anyone is claiming that England are currently the #2 side . . . failing that, shut your stupid trap and take your small-minded prejudice to some other site where people tolerate your brand of bigotry. 


Sharkbok

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 20:55:02
Roie[removed], at least you admit you are dumb, so take the next step and realise that as a stupid person you are not able to tell anybody anything.

No one is claiming that England are the number 2 side. I have copied the IRB rankings you moron. 

Danny Care stated they do not want to be number 2. The point is they are not even number 2 or number 3. If they cant beat the 2nd and 3rd ranked team, how the hell do the plan to be number 1. 

The 3 leading powers are NewZealand, South Africa and Australia. It has been this way for allmost 10 years now. When last have England beaten South Africa.

As for the moralizing on prejudice and bigotry, read some of your own posts before trying to act like you have any personal standards.



mozart

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 21:36:40
A tired old act. He has been doing exactly the same thing for at least 12 years...one would think anybody would eventually get tired of it.....but not this moron. RooiAAAS apparently doesn't grasp, barring a statistical anomaly,  you you can't be number 1 without first being number 2. But this is the same quantitatively challenged fool who thought he was posting 20 minutes after the prior game ended, at the half of the next game. Not the sharpest pencil in the box.


Wardad

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 21:47:08
 RE: Being second best ,isnt it a rhetorical answer ? not pertaining to any team other than being second best to the ABs as opposed to being number 2?


mozart

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 18, 2014, 22:19:54

Not really because he follows and qualifies that statement with the desire to be world number one.

 

"We don't want to be second best. We want to be world No.1"

 

Clearly world No. 2 is of no interest.


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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 02:55:08
 ABs v England, the only time this aussie supports the All Blacks


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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 03:15:46
 Ah another scrummie running his mouth ! What is it about that position?

I like the confidence though. Hope they give the ABs a better run than the Frenchies did.



becs

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 11:55:51
 Oh dear, I think I will have to explain some basic English to you all, won't I ? You seem to be having trouble understanding the phrase " second best ".
It has nothing to do with World Rankings, in fact it has been a phrase since time began and is, would you believe, used in situations not even remotely linked to sport....I know, amazing, but true !!! 

Not wanting to be second best just means you don't want to always be the runner up in something, you want to be the best. Basically, it means you want to win, or you want to be the prettiest girl, or the one who gets the guy for a change, not be the one left on the shelf, or you want to just be the first one chosen for team or you want to win a competition or prize for a change. It has nothing to do with Rugby World Rankings ! It just means going out there and proving yourselves. He could be referring to himself and his desire to be the Best Scrumhalf in the world, that might be his personal aim. Maybe he just wants to keep that position in the England team now, he deserves it, because he doesn't want to be seen as SECOND BEST any more !!! 

You can't all be telling me you have no knowledge of this phrase or its usage, because I do not believe you. You're just being obstinate as per always. 

Except Rooinek, who actually understands what Danny Care is actually saying here. And he is not wrong.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 12:21:21
"Writing on his Sportlobster blog, Care said: "We don't want to be second best. We want to be world No.1, so it will be brilliant to go to New Zealand and test ourselves."

rooy, becs and warhammer hit the nail on the head.
IMO care was meaning not wanting to be 2nd best to anyone or in this case the All Blacks.

following up by saying they want to be the No1 can aslo be taken the same way, its not like he said anything about No1 as in world ranking.

personally i think all thie arguing about who is the legitimate No2 is hilarious, like will ferrel said,,,


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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 12:30:04
Hey justwin the chest beating will begin the moment that British Airways plane touches down on kiwi soil.  Mark my words this is nothing.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 12:33:14
@rooy,

"As for the All Blacks loss to the Springboks in 2009, note that the Springboks hammered the hapless All Blacks three times in 2009. You'll have to be a bit more specific!"
LMAO, :D

only the two tests matches in SA were a hiding, the test loss in NZ why equally sucky was only a 3pt loss and nothing like the hidings ur boys handed us in SA.

i have to say though, the tough beatdown in the 2009 TriNats has been a key part to the All Blacks success since then.

the three wise men henry/hansen/smith were forced to go back to the drawing board after morne and francois steyns sniper accurate goal kicking boots and mornes and du preezs immaculate tactical kicking game, exposed the All Blacks weakness.
All Blacks then evolved their rugby game to incorporate a much stronger defensive plan against kick heavy teams, while still improving/evolving our superior ball in hand attacking game.

so thanks Boks, :o)


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RE: Danny don't Care for Kiwis (Pommy Chest beating already started)
March 19, 2014, 13:05:34
 We all recall how the poms whacked the abs so nobody should be surprised if they win the series. The 2013 NH tour saw both Ireland and France bettering the abs on all but the scoreboard.
From all accounts the english have improved while the abs continue to decline.Worrying times for ab fans.

Its hilarious to see lou rooitwit take an ambiguos statement and launch into a tirade and calling for Sharbok o leave the site. Hahahahahahahaha he is very funny!


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