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clevermike

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The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 10:02:00

Now that the Group games are virtually completed - none of the remaining games can influence the final group standings - the 8 teams that will proceed to the quarterfinal phase of the competition:-


Group Winners  (6) 


Ulster

Toulon

Toulouse

Clermont

Leinster

Munster


Group Runners Up - Highest Points  (2)


Leicester

Saracens


Only Ulster won all their 6 Group Games - the other group leaders won 5 of their games (likely to be the case in the 2 groups where games are still to be played as well) - and Leicester and Saracens won 4 of their Group Matches.


The Top 4 teams on the final Log will have home games and as far as I can understand it -


*   Saracens will have to go to play Ulster away; and

*   Leicester is in the same boat having to play Toulon


The odds are heavily in favour of the home clubs in such an event.


It is becoming a clear indication that the English Clubs do not perform well in the Competition.   We have been widely entertained by the village idiot Ceradyne about how much  stronger English rugby is compared to SA rugby - but it seems that on club level they play second fiddle to French and Irish clubs.


This has been a repeat of the situation over the past few years - so the English Clubs want to change the situation by hook or by crook.   They first of all convinced the French Clubs that they can do better financially by joining them in a new European Club competition - but then the real issues came out and the French Clubs sent them packing.   The English Clubs wanted to prescribe to the French Clubs and the Irish ones their contract conditions - especially what they may pay their contracted players.


The French and Irish clubs saw through their shenanigans and sent them packing so the English Clubs next year are out of European competition.     One of their approaches has been to SA - and their is a possibility that the Vodacom Cup teams from the top provincial franchises in SA could play them - but that would also present serious logistical problems - since Super 15, CC and test players will not be available to play against the English because of present contractual obligations.  Problem also relates to the location of games and when it should be played - in view of the seasonal situation.     Then it must also be borne in mind that in the winter season the SA Public is flooded by rugby and the games would not be televised live in SA - a real disincentive insofar as the franchises are concerned.  


So where to now for the English Clubs next year and thereafter.   The result would probably be that the Heineken Cup will get better TV buy-ins and sponsorship rights either from present sponsors or new ones and England will have to go hat in hand back to the other unions and plead for their re-admission into the European  competition.


WHAT A FARCE!!!!!!!!            


Saffex

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 11:16:28
 Yawn


clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 11:29:09

A girl


Living in dream world again.   Keep it up - you  will soon enough have an opportunity to dream up illusionary performances by some of your favoured players.  

 


Ceradyne

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 16:25:00
 "We have been widely entertained by the village idiot Ceradyne about how much  stronger English rugby is compared to SA rugby - but it seems that on club level they play second fiddle to French and Irish clubs. "

You have  bliksemed off the bus about English rugby ages ago, you fool. It is of no use trying to revisit the entire issue with you again. You can go search for the thread where it was discussed before yourself. You will probably battle to find it because  you left the thread with your tail between your legs because your clearly lost the plot. I have never said that the English rugby is stronger compared to SA rugby. You were the doos who said that the SA CC competition was stronger/on a higher level than the Heineken Cup. You are having another dim moment again.



clevermike

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January 19, 2014, 17:23:51

 Poor Ceradyne


He has again being caught out for writing rubbish on this site. So now the heavy self0defence.  


Just found out Munster ran over Ediburgh and Clemont over Racing Metro.   As I understand it the following teams will have home semis:-


Ulster          =  Saraces

Clermont     =  Leicester

Toulon        =   Leinster

Munster       =  Toulouse


As Clemont pipped Toulon for second place - Leicester will gave to play Clermont and not Toulon in October.   


Ceradyne

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 17:53:49
 No. You are wrong once again in both counts you lying [removed]ing idiot. Have you forgotten what sparked the argument? You were [removed]ing about Bakkies, saying that he has been playing club rugby in France, which was  not even at the same level as South African club rugby. That was it.

You also have it totally wrong about the final rounds of the Heineken cup as well. It looks likeyou have no [removed]ing clue how that works either. Semi-finals between eight teams? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

In addition, the games that will be played in October cannot be determined because October falls in the 2014/15 season. We are currently busy with the 2013/15 season.

The so-called "second place" you are referring to is also of academic interest because it is not really the log standing of the last eight. It is merely the points that has been carried over from the pool stages to help  determine the home venues for the next stage. The important part was  to make sure that you win your pool with asmany points as possible. to secure a home game in the  next phase. What you have listed is actually the quarter finals. quarter finals........ four games......... eight participants............. got it?

I just watched the draw for the semi  finals. Scot Quinnell  did the draws. Semi-finals..... two games..........four participants................. got it?

So, let me put you out of your misery. The quarter finals will be as follows:

Ulster          =  Saracens

Clermont     =  Leicester

Toulon        =   Leinster

Munster       =  Toulouse


The semi-finals will be:

Ulster/Saracens v Clermont/Leicester

Toulon/Leinster v Munster/Toulouse


Do you understand how the semi-finals will work, or would you like me to explain that to you as well?;)




The semi


clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 18:27:42

Ceradyne


Don't talk kak again = club rugby in SA is an amateur sport you liar.   I was referring to professional sport - which from the lowest level upwards is Vodacom Cup. CC Divisio 1, CC Premier Division and then Super 15.  My argument was that most clubs would be on Vodacom up level - while the top few may just make it to the CC Group 1 level or I exceptional cases just maybe on CC level.  Definitely not Super 15 level.


I listed the following as the quarterfinals:-


 

Ulster          =  Saraces

Clermont     =  Leicester

Toulon        =   Leinster

Munster       =  Toulouse


You listed it as the following:-


Ulster          =  Saracens

Clermont     =  Leicester

Toulon        =   Leinster

Munster       =  Toulouse


Can you spot the difference doos and get yourself out of your inability to read 0 I know it is hard for somebody on your intelligence level.



Ceradyne

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:19:52
 You said that Bakkies  was playing club rugby in  France and that it was inferior to the CC competition, you lying  doos.

You stupid [removed]ing doos.Go read your own post again. Let me quote it for you because you might struggle  to  find it again.

mike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 17:23:51

 Poor Ceradyne


He has again being caught out for writing rubbish on this site. So now the heavy self0defence.  


Just found out Munster ran over Ediburgh and Clemont over Racing Metro.   As I understand it the following teams will have home semis:-


Ulster          =  Saraces

Clermont     =  Leicester

Toulon        =   Leinster

Munster       =  Toulouse


As Clemont pipped Toulon for second place - Leicester will gave to play Clermont and not Toulon in October.   



I have highlighted and  underlined it for you.

Wait. Let me  try and make it even more clear for you. Your words  again:

"Just found out Munster ran over Ediburgh and Clemont over Racing Metro.   As I understand it the following teams will have home semis:-"



clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:24:53

Ceradyne


It obviously was a writing error on my part -how can 8 teams listed  by me be in the semis - dolt?


You are a sour puss of the worst order.   Instead of being a gentleman and point out the mistake I made by pointing out that I should have written semis instead of Quarterfinals - you start a venomous and totally unwarranted attack on me.   That is why you must be the worst [removed] on this site by a mile.  


I differ frequently from other posters about issues - butI do not become personal and insulting and really respect them.  You are such rubbish I have only disgust and contempt for you.   


clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:24:57


Duplication


Ceradyne

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:28:29
 I know that but you obviously had a problem understanding that you [removed]ken mamparra. Gaan slaap want jy is te [removed]ken stupid om mee te redeneer. You are talking kak and the moment that you are caught out,you fall back on the old  typo excuse. What about your allegation that I said that English rugby was stronger than SA rugby? Your reply about Bakkies and French club rugby just proved that you were talking kak about that. It has once again proven that your ramblings are worth pig [removed].


clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:36:56

 Sour puss


Read what I added to the above message - brainless piece of [removed].


Ceradyne

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:46:27
clevermike

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 19:24:53

Ceradyne


It obviously was a writing error on my part -how can 8 teams listed  by me be in the semis - dolt?


You are a sour puss of the worst order.   Instead of being a gentleman and point out the mistake I made by pointing out that I should have written semis instead of Quarterfinals - you start a venomous and totally unwarranted attack on me.   That is why you must be the worst [removed] on this site by a mile.  


I differ frequently from other posters about issues - butI do not become personal and insulting and really respect them.  You are such rubbish I have only disgust and contempt for you.   


 
You are the very last person on this entire forum who has the right to say something like  that you lowlife hypocrite. Go read your opening post again, you [removed]ing wanker.You started attacking me in your opening post and got your ass whipped again, as usual you [removed]ing moron.Let me repeat that part in your opening post because you have already forgotten that again, poepol: "We have been widely entertained by the village idiot Ceradyne about how much  stronger English rugby is compared to SA rugby", and even that is bull[removed] as was proven above.

You start the crap and the moment you get the [removed] end  of the stick you start pissing about not being treated in gentlemanly way. What a joke!!





blobbok

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RE: The Heineken Cup - English Club Performances.
January 19, 2014, 21:16:07
 



Oom vlag & oumaaik


Sharkbok

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January 19, 2014, 21:39:29
 haahaa blobok too funny


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