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clevermike

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The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 17:28:09

I was watching the Toulon Glasgow game - something like watching paint dry - and concentrated on what Botha and Juan Smith achieved.   Nothing much of note - Smith did defensive work - for the rest he was knocking on balls.   Nakkies was in fact on the team sheet and he was on the field of play because he did carry the ball once for about a meter and got tackled and he did miss two tackles.


Neause there was nothing much to watch - I was thinking of the weoird case of Juan Smith.   He was due to an ankle injury out of rugby and then made a comeback for the Cheetahs.  The first pre-season match and he injured his ankle again.   He announced that he us unfortunately not able to continue with his rugby career due to the injuy recurrence.


However - he had to get out of his Cheetahs contract and used the recurred injury as an excuse.    Our Juan is a shrewd chappy and six months later he suddenly has no more injury problems and popped up playing for Toulon.


We may ask the reason why Toulon and the answer is two-fold, namely -


*   Toulon offers extremely attractive pay packages; but of even more importance,


*   Since performance is not a requirement of Meyer to be selected for the Springbok squad in the case of foreign club players - the easiest way is to sign a foreign club contract and selection is automatic. 


Why play in Super 15 and work hard to be selected if you have a free ticket by signing a foreign contract?    In any event - performance is not really important in Super 15 either - Meyer will pick his favourites irrespective how bad they perform.            


Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 18:55:53
Yep Juan and Bakkies offer very little more than solid........their failure to keep up with the game at times, shows their ages.


Bringing Bakkies back for the Boks was a flop of note, as has been Steenkamp and Fourie.........the only worthy comeback kid has been du Preez


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 19:04:59
Ou Maaikie, you are a shrewd bugger, you. I was watching that game as well and I had my laptop on as well. I always have Skysports Live Centre open to keep in touch with various events during the afternoon. I had this forum open in a separate tab as well and coincidently refreshed the index page in the last minutes of the game and saw that you started a thread on Juan Smith.

I was surprised to see that you have watched the game and  that you have already posted your essay before the end of the game. So, once again, you are bullshitting. The game was not even finished when you posted your "masterpiece".

I am not even going to respond that the bullshit contents of the post for two reasons. You have not watched the entire game................. again and you wrote this garbage before watching, or possibly even without watching the game. I would not put that behind you. Don't even try and deny that you have posted this before the end of the game because I already have the evidence available.

The second reason is that you have not paid attention to, or do not have any idea of the context of this game within the competition. That is as clear as daylight. End of story.


clevermike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 21:04:19

 Ceradyne


Dunce - did you read what I said.   It was like watching paint dry that game - I watched it till about Minute 55 and thought that I have seen enough   The final score tells it all - Glasgow scored a try and Wilkinson kicked another penalty after I stopped watching.


You missed the whole point of the posting - but that us normal with you,  Mental constipation in evidence. 


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 21:42:51
 No poepol. You are the one who missed everything. As I said, you have no clue about the context of the games at this stage of the competition. The very same issue came to the fore, and was also mentioned by the commentators as well as the guys in the studio, during the next game between Leicester and Ulster. The exact same factor played a role in that game as well. I am  not even going to try and discuss it with you. You will not understand it and it doesn't suit your little agenda. Live on in your own little bubble.


clevermike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 22:12:03

Ceradyne -  the Dunce


I watched the next game - the Leicester - Ulster game - and that was an interesting and really absorbing game.   Really good rugby and not like watching paint dry.


Pienaar was really outstanding - the best player in that game and better than anybody in the other game as well.


Now - birdbrain - you still missed the key point of the posting - even the heading indicated what it is about.   It is about the miracle recovery of Juan Smith from his career- ending injury and  the reasons  for his decision to play for Toulon - especially the second reason about Meyer's absolute addiction to players attached to Clubs in Europe and Japan.   They do not need meeting of any performance criteria to get selected.   Time after time these buggers fail when they have top play real rugby and not the Mickey Mouse stuff they play for their clubs.  


Now wake op birdbrain,

 


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 22:26:06
Your silly little conspiracy theory is not worth spending the time reading it, let alone commenting on it. The best one can do is having a chuckle about it. Next you are probably going to try and involve the Mafia and the Free Masons in your fantasies.

It was indeed two different games but they were based on the same issue about the context of the competition. Coincidently, they both hung in the balance until the final whistle. There was a slight difference in the two scenarios though. As I said, I  will not bother you with the details because you will not be able to recognise or understand them and I don't really care what about your opinion.


clevermike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 23:03:40

Ceradyne


Fuck off idiot - you are too stupid to be on this Board.   


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 23:06:41
Hahahaha. And then his old problem surfaces again. Tourette's. :D:D:D:D:D You really are a sucker for punishment, ou Beesblaas.


blobbok

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 21:30:13
Oumaaik, think you're being unfair to Juan .............. by all means put the boot into Cerawyne, he probably deserves it, but cut Smith some slack, he's made a remarkable comeback after a horrible injury seemed to end his career.

So to you, bah humbug !


Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 21:35:40
 Mike swearing.......respect Oom, love it


blobbok

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 21:38:06
 Yep, oom vlag winds him up like no other :angry:


Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 21:53:20
That is for sure......I have wound the Oom up a few times as has Moz.....but he has never told me to fuck off.......I dont swear much so I find it somewhat offensive!!!!!!


blobbok

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 22:15:01
He let rip with the dreaded C word somewhere as well ........


Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 21, 2014, 22:16:49
 Wow......I need to have a word with the Oom!


clevermike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 03:41:52

Saffex


I apologize all round for swearing and must say this Ceradyne is one character I have list respect for completely.   Winding up is a thing that can be done without being personally offensive and making personal attacks of members the way this excuse for a member does.  


Sorry - once again   - 


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 08:21:10
 Listen ou Beesblaas. You are the one who starts the swearing and name calling every time that you get caught out. I just respond to that. I can give you numerous examples but instead of starting a search, we can just look at how this thread went. Toy started of the thread with a lame conspiracy theory and a claim that you have watched the game. When you were caught out on that one, you came up with the excuse that you did not watch the entire game. After my first response you decided not to take me up on my arguments but rather start of with a stupid little stab, as usual......

Quote: "Ceradyne -  the Dunce"............. and "Now - birdbrain - you still missed the key point of the posting - even the heading indicated what it is about."

I decided to have a look and see if this was going to follow the normal pattern and started my following post with: "No poepol. You are the one who missed everything."

I was not interested in your silly little conspiracy theory and told you so, in my next post, and was trying to get you to discuss the context of the game within the HC competition, and even responded to your remark about the Leinster game, but you were still hell  bent on the conspiracy theory.

I once again mentioned that you did not understand the context of the game and the circumstances within the competition and instead of arguing that point and prove me wrong, you got pissed off and replied with:

mike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 18, 2014, 23:03:40

Ceradyne


Fuck off idiot - you are too stupid to be on this Board.   


This is the pattern that every thread follows. You make a remark, I show you where you are wrong. You get pissed off and insult me, and I respond. Go check.






clevermike

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 09:01:03

 Ceradyne


There are two ways of dealing with typing and writing errors made by members,  namely  - 


   * a nice friendly way of saying something like "surely you mean" for instance; or


   *  there is the nasty personal way trying to make out as if the person commented on is a fool because of a typo for instance.


You always choose the second option and if there is one thing which that demonstrates it is that you are a vicious and nasty person - definitely not a gentleman.    

  

As I said above there is a way of winding up people to get a response - but nastiness and crude behaviour is not the way to go.


Anyway it seems that the latter comes naturally to you whenever there is any opposition to your partisan way of looking at issues.   I will in future do best and just ignore your comments - and unless you stop being vicious I will just ignore your ranting


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 09:22:37
 Don't try and  dodge the issue again, Mike. You have accused me of being offensive and insulting. I have just given you examples form this very same thread of you actually being the culprit. You are the first one to jump on anybody making the slightest little mistake in a remark. There are numerous examples all over this board. The argument on this particular thread was that:

  1. You did not like the idea that I pointed out that you did not understand the context of the game, that you used for your argument.
  2. You did not like the idea that I did not support your conspiracy theory.


When that became  clear, you decided to start the personal attacks and insults.


There is nothing about a little typing or writing error. You did not have the counter arguments or you were not up to taking the argument further, hence your insults and swearing.


Why didn't you just stick to what you started and provided counter arguments to what I have said? Why didn't you try and convince me that there is more to your idea of the recovery of Juan Smith, than just a silly little preconceived opinion? Why didn't you prove to me that you did and do understand the context of the game in the competition, i.e. the reason why it appeared to be a dull and boring game? No, you wanted to stamp your authority and tell me to piss off. Now here is my own little theory. You do not have the answers/counter arguments, hence your personal attacks and accusations.


Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 10:24:09
Mike I was joking about the swearing.......I swear all the time and have no issue with it at all 


Ceradyne

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 11:13:25
Saffex

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RE: The weird Case of Juan SMith
January 22, 2014, 10:24:09
Mike I was joking about the swearing.......I swear all the time and have no issue with it at all 
 
Funny. I picked up that your comment was tongue in cheek the moment that I read it. Ah well. :D


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