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hakwa

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Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 02:49:31

 

The bearded menace that is Sam Whitelock remains the senior man, Brodie Retallick is now world class and a nightmare for rival locks, while Luke Romano and Dominic Bird fill out what is - by the foursome's aggregate - the tallest ever locking options available to the Test team.

If current trend continues, it wouldn't be a surprise if another giant entered reckonings for the second row.

However Hansen will not be casting his eyes out looking for another line out forward.

The big focus in the pack will be at hooker, where Andrew Hore's retirement from international rugby leaves a fair big hole to fill.

The 83-Test veteran is now a farmer, with the 35-year-old Hore making his debut for the All Blacks in 2002 against England while playing a huge 141 Super Rugby games.

Centurion Keven Mealamu will be relied on like never before, while Dane Coles rapid education will continue.

While the Blues and the Hurricanes will boast the only active capped Test rakes, the 'hooker apprenticeship' scheme will move up a few notches in 2014.

Liam Coltman of the Highlanders, the Chiefs Rhys Marshall and Bay of Plenty number two Nathan Harris all were invited to the All Blacks camps last year.

It was to give them a taste of the training and day-to-day activities required when a hooker is in camp with the national team.

And one suspects, one of them, or a new face is about to have a quite rapid and remarkable 2014 season.

The other concern is at centre, although to say it is an issue is a stretch considering that Conrad Smith and Ma'a Nonu are available and represent what is the most experienced Test midfield combination in history.

The duo played their 51st Test together against the Springboks last year.

Charles Piutau, who was in brilliant form on the Test stages of Europe last year, has been earmarked for a potential shift from his usual fullback role.

Add to this Francis Saili, capped as an understudy to Nonu, and it isn't as if the selectors have no talent to call on.

Ryan Crotty is also in the mix, while Hansen has suggested that Robbie Fruean will be watched.

Mealamu hasn't ruled out a 2015 Rugby World Cup, ditto Smith and Nonu, but the three brilliant senior players are being taunted by Father Time, and the World Champions will want to know they have class ready to step up if the unthinkable happens. 


Cloudy

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 02:53:51
It is a bit of a worry but they way all these old guys are coming out of retirement maybe we can lure Frank Bunce back?  


clevermike

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 07:30:34

 Anyone thinking that the AB locks are world class must live in child cuckoo land,   The only reasonable lock is Sam Whitelock.  Romano works hard - Retallick tries but is hampered by his lack of physicality and try to make up for that by illegal play.  


All three of them are in tight play like crinkle paper = cannot stand up to men.   


poi-e

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 08:04:28
 You know a player is world class when mike says they aren't...just ask Willem Alberts


clevermike

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 08:33:22

 poi-e


Locks are not the strong point of NZ rugby- they are one of the few problem areas - the others being hooker and center.   AB locks reminds me of the newspaper reports on horse races,  They give the names and numbers of the first four horses and then in result order a list of horses under the heading "also ran"


In the race for locks all the NZ locks are under the heading "also ran".   


After the foul-ups of Morne Steyn and Sloth Alberts in the Ellis Park game - the NZ fans must be great supporters to see both constantly in the Springbok team.    Sloth is a specialist in missing tackles and Steyn is a mindless robot. 


hakwa

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 11:36:47
 it's all about the Team Mike, the Team.



Cloudy

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 12:17:36
'Don't get tired get fit' .......ROFLMHO !!!!! (Rolling on the floor laughing my head off) 
'The ref was on their side'......now where have I heard that before lol


sebastienchabal

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 15:29:13

 It is a bit of a worry but they way all these old guys are coming out of retirement maybe we can lure Frank Bunce back?  

 

Cloudy, you're looking gorgeous...got good taste too...Frank was one of the very best...even Gerber, Muller and others of note in the centre piece used to tremble at the name.

 

Frank stretched it to 36 or 37 years old...youngsters in my age group today but toppies in a World Cup Final.

 

Yeah, he and Zin Zan are very special in my rugby eyes.

 

Gosh, Cloudy you remind me of Claudia Cardinal...love the turn of your mouth...now that's [removed]y...something the young gals today have totally and utterly lost, except of course the Russian ladies. Yeah, when is the boil up...lolz.



sebastienchabal

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 15:29:59

 It is a bit of a worry but they way all these old guys are coming out of retirement maybe we can lure Frank Bunce back?  

 

Cloudy, you're looking gorgeous...got good taste too...Frank was one of the very best...even Gerber, Muller and others of note in the centre piece used to tremble at the name.

 

Frank stretched it to 36 or 37 years old...youngsters in my age group today but toppies in a World Cup Final.

 

Yeah, he and Zin Zan are very special in my rugby eyes.

 

Gosh, Cloudy you remind me of Claudia Cardinal...love the turn of your mouth...now that's [removed]y...something the young gals today have totally and utterly lost, except of course the Russian ladies. Yeah, when is the boil up...lolz.



poi-e

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 15:47:59
 Both Whitelock and Retallick hade at least one international team of the the year...and frankly I'd believe the opinion of the experts before I consider a word from a myopic old toppie who can't see past his own personal bias against players.


sebastienchabal

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 17:45:30

Don't complain and look for excuses Pooee, how would you like ol'Snor for a coach...he confused the entire world on rugby success...incidentally the AB's have really never had a real bad coach...going into battle with wrong advice and little direction except do what his predecessor's (jake White) chosen side did well 4 years ago under a different coach but do it the same way...well the Boks are so good they almost made the gap but unfortunately along came dear ol' Bryce Lawrence.

 

welcome JW and hope you can influence HM...you can with results...Pooee NZ has always had good coaches.


poi-e

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 19:25:54
 The all black's have never really had a bad coach?  John Mitchell..,


Rooinek

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 19:34:48
 John Hart . . .


moolaa

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 18, 2014, 21:55:39
 Mitchell lost his job on the back of one loss......a bit harsh considering what Henry got away with!


Cloudy

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 19, 2014, 00:07:50
They each had their merits.....if we had bad coaches we would not be holding all the records that we do.  

Sebastien that's Cindy Crawford, she has the most famous mole, you can't quite see it on the side of her lip.  I just thought she was a nicer mole to look at :D and you're right, she does look a bit like Claudia Cardinale.  And read Midfield Liaison if you can find it, the  successful partnership between Walter Little and Frank Bunce.  Now there was a dynamic duo, my all time favourite centre pairing, next to the other Little of Jason and Tim Horan.


Boklogic

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 19, 2014, 03:28:57
 Frank Bunce was a good centre but only because he never lined up against David Searle from the Eastern Cape of SA. This man had the goods..He was a heart throb standing at 1.41m tall and weighed a respectable 98kg's. He could run over anything and whatever he couldnt get over, he would go around! Played over 100 games for his club but surprisingly never accepted the honours jacket. Instead he preferred not to wear a jacket.

Rumour has it he is now a great coach and trusted advisor to the Griquas coaching staff even though the coach and Daves best friend, left England without advising him. Dammit..I hate it when friends do that ;-)


blobbok

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 19, 2014, 03:34:48
Ghe, Cindy se gat !!


Cloudy

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 19, 2014, 07:38:41
Hehe blobbok although I don't know what you said, I gather it has something to do with my avatar.   Cindy was too gorgeous to make the our posters team but it seems ugly doesn't cut it either.  Orange boy?


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 20, 2014, 15:14:16
@poi e,

nothing wrong with mitchell as All Black coach except for the cardinal sin of not winning the 2003 RWC.

the way things panned out with him and cullen was not productive towards the All Blacks cause and that was a costly mistake.

still mitchell IMO is a great coach, 28 tests, 23 wins, 4 losses and a draw.
2 losses against the english and wallabies each, both of who at the time were class outfits, especially the english who were deserved 2003 RWC winners.

also dont forget it was mitchell who brought back the beldisloe to its rightful place back in NZs trophy cabinet where it has been since.
and he also won the CC in 2011 with the lions who pulverised a Bok filled sharks teams 42-16, the first CC that the lions had won in over a decade.

i agree with rooy, john hart was our worst coach.


hakwa

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RE: Hansen has hook, no line but centre
January 22, 2014, 23:28:20
 John Hart was the first ABs Coach to win a Test Series in SA and win it convincingly he did.



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