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sebastienchabal

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You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 17, 2014, 14:34:37

I was thinking about about this the other day...you get guys and women that are born instinctively with style, ability and class and you get the plodders and the also rans and been and done it but there's a huge gap.

 

You just some guys, some families, some blood that continue to shape at all sports but can only really shine at one.

 

Martin Hernandez is an example...at one stage the Maradona of rugby in Argentina, his sister and Olympic star in hockey, an uncle in the Soccer World Cup in 1982 for Argentina...the Kirsten family...Peter, Michael, Gary...all played both rugby and cricket and were good at both but chose one...Scooter was another,cricket, rugby and soccer, Hansie Cronje captained one of  Grey Bloems best 1st XV with Rueben Kruger in the side plus a few other greats...Daryl Bestal excelled captained and played rugby,hockey and cricket at the highest level...most of them can also be very competitive in golf too.

It's rather like horse racing which of course only allows thoroughbreds but the ones with punch more than not keep it in the bloodline.

 

It's no big news, we all realise there's something in it...some of our young hopefuls have it...Lambie got it for sure (something extra above his rivals), when the comparisons are made it is the pure class that shines through.


Ceradyne

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 17, 2014, 15:58:45
Gerbrand Grobler and Jeff Wilson (NZ) also played rugby and cricket. Jeff played rugby and cricket at international level. Other in SA that I can think of at the moment, who played rugby and cricket at least at provincial level, were Dan Van Zyl (NTvl rugby and cricket, Pumas rugby and WP rugby), Lee Barnard (NTvl and Tvl rugby and cricket) and Hansie's brother Frans Cronje.


sebastienchabal

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 17, 2014, 17:01:14

Yup that's right...I remember Jeff Wilson...a great left wing if my memory is right and a cricketer of note...the list goes on and on.

 

The other intrigueing aspect of this is the world must have lost many,many stars and champions simply because the enviroment or culture did not play that particular sport...how many Dan Carters, John Smits, Jonny Wilkinsons,Zin Zan Brookes etc..etc

lie buried/or unknown in vast lands in Eastern Europe, Germany, Scandanavia, USA, Brazil, Russia, China, USA and many others. And then that's just rugby...what about other sports.

 

Tennis, golf, soccer has spread more or less (exceptions are countries like Mongolia) but there must be people with potential missing the boat.

 

Some find their way home...Thierry Dusautoir came from Central Africa (Ivory Coast) a very small minnow in rugby...Jonah Lomu from Tongo...Sebastien Chabal only started playing rugby at 16, before that hardly heard of the game. Will Genia was from Papua New Guinea and there are many others.

 

Are there Dan Carters in China, Russia, Ukraine or USA and Brazil???...must be if there are so champions in the Olympics, Soccer, Tennis etc that come from here compared to SA, NZ, England, France etc...ironically Oz does best in all games Olympic wise but that's another question.


hakwa

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 17, 2014, 22:54:14
 Kieran Read also plays cricket, while Messam and SBW both play rugby and box. Carter was showing Zidane afew tricks in the 2007 RWC (that's why the ABs lost because he showed all his tricks to the French before the actual game AND Barnes the Blind ref officiated) :)


clevermike

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 18, 2014, 01:10:30

 Seb


I agree fully with you on this issue.   You get ball players and others.   You put a ball in their hands or require from them to hit a ball and they make hay.


However, you would find that the top performers are not necessarily the best physical specimens - to be that you need players who are not only athletic,  but they need to have ball sense.   Of those players mentioned by you all of them had that instinctive feeling and reading of games whereby at any time during games they can determine what is needed for the best advantage of their teams. 


The best team sport players are always the brainy sort - not the ones that try and use only force to make their marks as sportsmen.  I for one like thinking players ahead of ones who go through the motions without really thinking what they are doing.  


Cloudy

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 18, 2014, 02:29:46
What about siblings......can't go past the Whitelocks in rugby and the Burgess bros in league...also Sonny Bill's sister plays in the Sevens for Wellington.   The Going brothers..... definitely in the DNA the list goes on.  Care to add anymore?


Ceradyne

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 18, 2014, 16:49:02
Du Plessis brothers, Jannie and Bsimarck.
Du Plessis brothers, Willie, Michael and Carel.
Sonnekus brothers, Gerrie and Pieter. (Pieter didn't play Boks).
Rossouw brothers, Pieter and Chris.
Visagie brothers, Gawie and Piet.


DbDraad

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 18, 2014, 17:12:08
 Ndengani (spelling) brothers, and twins to boot, like the Waughs in Cricket. And Seb, I can recall Paul Kirsten but not Michael.


Ceradyne

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 18, 2014, 17:35:00
Correct Draad. I could'nt remember the  name of Dawie Snyman's brother. Just remembered, so I can now add the Snyman brothers Dawie and Jackie to my list.


Cloudy

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 00:15:47
Ceradyne are those two sets of Du Plessis's related? 


blobbok

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 00:28:45
 No, its a fairly common surname .......... unlike your beauty .


Ceradyne

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 00:45:19
 
Cloudy

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 00:15:47
Ceradyne are those two sets of Du Plessis's related? 



No, they are not. Jannie and Bismarck are both from the Freestate. Willie, Carel and Michael also has a fourth brother, Jacques who never played for the Springboks. He did play for Eastern Province. I think that he could also have played for WP, but I am  not sure. Willie is the eldest and he played centre for during the '81 tour to NZ. Carel made his international debut the following year. I think he is a wine farmer nowadays. Carel, of course, later coached the Boks  for almost a year and was fired to be succeeded by Nick Mallet. Michael is younger than Carel and is a dentist, IIRC. I don't know what the youngest, Jacques is doing nowadays.

There is another sets of Du Plessis's, the famous father and son who were the only father and son to both have captained the Springboks yet. Felix was the captain of the Springbok team that beat the All Blacks three times in succession in 1949. He did not play in the fourth test that the Springboks also won. Basil Kenyon captained that side. Felix' son is of course Morne Du Plessis, who captained the Springboks from 1975 to 1980 and he was also the team manager of the 1995 RWC Springbok team. He is currently a Director of Saracens Rugby club.



clevermike

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 05:09:50

 Ceradyne


You cannot remember anything as per normal.  It was Jacky Snyman,  They were the sons of a Ds Snyman.  They are relatives of mine.   Yjeir grandmother was Aunt Maggie Pauw - a sister of my grandfather - who bought my grandfather's house in Still Bay from him.  Still the Snyman family home in Still Bay. 


Just one question - maybe somebody will know.  Were Abie and Avril Malan brothers?  I believe they were.  I know Prof Avril Malan was at one stage Member of Partliament for Gezina (Pretoria)  and believe he was their father.





       




Ceradyne

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 13:46:16
 Ou Sopdoos Mike at it again. [removed]kit ou Maaik you are a staunch believer of the expression: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle  them with bull[removed]".

Your stories have some  amazing results. First you delivered a speech at the  UN, then  you decided  that you actually delivered a paper to  the UN which eventually turned  out to being invited to deliver a paper to the UN. Then  there is your buddy Zuma. First you were friends and you had  him over for dinner, then you didn't have him for dinner but had dinner with him, then you weren't friends at all and then you met him when you were trustees for a trust. First you were and ANC member which changed to used to be an  ANC member. Next your ancestors were almost the entire group French Huguenots. Now the Snymans are also suddenly relatives of yours. What a [removed]ing joke,you are.

In any case, the  Malans. Avril and Abie are not brothers. Abie was born in Kenhardt and Avril in Pretoria. Avril Malan's father was indeed Prof Avril Malan, whose brother Magnus later became Chief of the SADF and subsequently Minister of Defence.


Wardad

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RE: You get sportsmen that just simply have it and others that just go through the motions
January 19, 2014, 14:49:01
 Brian McKecknie  was a double Black ,25 games for ABS 14 for Cricket ,his last game was the infamous underarm cowardliness of the Chappell brothers.


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