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Saffex

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Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 12:59:11

According to an article on the Sharks website this morning, new coach Jake White is very clear about his plans for two of the teams most talented players, Springboks Pat Lambie and Frans Steyn.

There’s been a lot of discussion in the run-up to the start of White’s tenure about rotation: Brendan Venter used the policy to great effect in the Currie Cup and in so doing, developed a strong squad with depth in most positions, while managing to keep morale high across the squad. While we don’t yet have White’s thoughts about such a system on record, one thing he has been clear about is that Lambie and Steyn will be first-choice players in his team and will play in their chosen positions (flyhalf and inside centre respectively) in every game for which they are available.

Both are confidence players and both carry the scars of positional uncertainty, which is a nice way of saying “being messed around”, earlier in their careers. White seems to have picked up on this and is determined to give these two phenomenal talents the one things they’ve never really had before, namely consistency of selection in their favoured jerseys. The value of the pair growing as a combination at 10 and 12, of course, is an added bonus which White feels is in not only the players’ best interests, but also the team’s.

“Pat Lambie will play at flyhalf for 80 minutes of every game,” says White, “and Frans Steyn will play 12 for me. It gives Pat Lambie a massive amount of confidence having Frans play beside him.”

White adds that his first priority is the good of the Sharks, suggesting that he will give players continuity in the position that suits the franchise best, even if other coaches may not necessarily agree. “We will play what’s important for the Sharks,” he says. “[It's] not that we won’t work together with anybody, but at the same time we have shareholders and stakeholders and supporters, and along with us as a group, there are expectations, we need to be true to them. We have a philosophy about how we want to play and if it means those two play next to each other for the whole season, then we will make them the best 10-12 combination in Super Rugby.”

 

I am starting to like Jake more and more - he is 100% spot on with regards to these two players


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:11:01
 

  





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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:31:35
Ed is there anyway we can have this wanker banned from the site, he really is a waste of space 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:35:52
I've always been a fan of Lambie be interesting to see how he goes this year.
BTW I like your new avatar saffex......it's eerie how much he looks like Val Kilmer.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:54:34

Exactly the same combination....Lambie and Fransie....that started last year. Both failed. But Jake may be able to sort things out.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:58:08
Frans never failed, he was good at the start.......I am yet to see Lambie ever fail 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:59:42

He's got it!...by George he's got it!, might be the same combination as started last year but an entirely different resurrected spirit, strategy and game plan...I just got that feeling that something better beginning.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 13:59:54
Yeah Cloudy, Val Kilmer was awesome as Jim 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 14:04:59

 Saffex


I am sure that Jake means well - and so did Plumtree,   The latter made Francois Steyn the interim captain of the Sharks last year.   But what he says now and in another two months time could be a huge difference.


Plumtree did not bugger Steyn around - it was the other way around.   Unfitness (gross overweight and lack of speed)   and under-performance by Steyn was the problem.


White at present prefers Steyn at12 - but is it going to last?   If Steyn repeats the fiascos of last year - he would not last through Super 15.


The key for both Lambie and Steyn would center around performance - nothing else.   I am confident Lambie would perform well enough - I am not at all confident about Steyn.   Ever since his return from France he was way below par and he will have to show a hell of a lot of improvement before he would be meeting requirements.



  


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 14:06:30
Sure Dave....by the way I think your avatar looks a bit like a hobbit. But that figures....that way you can have "second breakfast and elevenses".


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 14:06:52

He's got it!...by George he's got it!, might be the same combination as started last year but an entirely different resurrected spirit, strategy and game plan...I just got that feeling that something better beginning.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 15:11:33
I think Frans has a breakout year. He's always had the talent and ability but seems to lack the motivation and discipline. Its almost like things came too easily too early for him and there was nothing left to accomplish. With the WC now only two Super seasons away I think he will realize he needs to step things up if he wants serious consideration as a Bok starter and Jake White the "talent whisperer" will set him on the right track. 

Would love to see him find form, play 12 for the Boks w/ Jean at 13. Always useful to have another boot in the backline.

Will be watching the Sharks with great interest as I am sure Meyer will to see how this Lambie / Steyn combination unfolds.

 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 15:17:37

Moz, who is that man in my Avatar?

 

Oimatey......Jean at 13, give us a break 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 15:21:27

DomMike, difference between you and Jake is that you know fuck all and Jake knows..........you work it out?


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 15:22:34

Good comment oimatey...

 

I have a feeling that this time round it will all come together and as Hanniball (A Team)always said..."he just loved it when a plan comes together".

 

I've always felt there's dynamite in this combo but last year it failed to ignite but this time round...well let's wait and see !

 

PS Not Henry Honiball...lolz


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 15:32:45
Your avatar? Some hirsute type. Does it matter?


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 16:09:21
 Lambie messed around with? Hardly, he has played the bulk of his career at 10. Fransie on the other hand was shafted repeatedly. Then took the brunt of the criticism for the Brumby loss, that in spite of being one of only two effective players for the Sharks, particularly in the first half. Much credit to Jake for seeing the light, Fransie should have been the rightful 12 from the World Cup in Paris to present day. It's poor decisions like these that cause consistency issues for the Boks.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 16:11:04
Nope does not matter, just was curious as to whether you knew who it was - famous chap he is


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 19:30:46
 "By March 1969, the formerly svelte singer had gained weight, grown a beard and mustache, and had begun dressing more casually—abandoning the leather pants and concho belts for slacks". Sounds suspiciously like you Dave, a pudgy bugger with no jacket.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 19:51:25

 Saffex


I may according to you know fuck all - therefore I can see when a player contributed fuck all of value to the team.   Steyn was hopeless since his return from France and if you could not see it a visit to an eye specialist is really called for.


I was delighted when he came back - but it took only two games for me to recognise that he produced zero to the team and in many ways was teaming up with his namesake to make sure the Springbok backline was malfunctioning, 


As a Shark supporter one can hope he comes right and start playing constructive rugby - but for the moment it is only hope - nothing more.  If he does not improve on last year - White will send him packing and I for one will not blame White in that case.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 20:27:53

 The honest answer is both Lambie and Frans had poor seasons. Frans was messed around by Plumtree, who acted like a spiteful whiner. And Lambie found he could do nothing at 10....he was toothless, and so lost confidence in his decision making.

 

If Jake can turn this around, he will have done SA rugby another service. I have a little more faith in Fransie finding his groove. 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 17, 2014, 22:42:18
 very interesting to see the end result of this consistency of selection.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 00:51:21

 Mozart


If you think the useless Steyn was messed around by Plumtree you must be kidding.  Plumtree made Steyn captain at the start of the season and Steyn produced nothing.  


Steyn was fat and unfit with the speed of a snail.   His defence was hopeless and his attacking consisted of crashballing.   The first game against the Cheetahd was not bad - the subsequent games against the Stormers and Kings were bad and the one against the Brumbies was a disgrace. 


Steyn was NOT messed around - he himself messed everything around.


     


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 01:01:07
Gosh mike, you don't say. 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 17:34:24
 Moz, I doubt Jim ever had to wear a jacket!


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 17:36:21
As I keep telling you DomMike, you do know fuck all about rugby.......about as much as you know about cricket.


Frans had some really good games for the Sharks and some less memorable ones along with the rest of his team mates - FACT


Frans is a class act


Jake on Frans ' He is a prodigy, a sensational player, a freak. '


Wake up DomMike


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 21:22:06

Saffex


Just tell me when that wonderful description on Steyn's performances actually happened.  Sorry, but they are figments of your imagination.


White obviously thought about the Steyn of his coaching era - not the present one.  Hope he is not disappointed about him this year,


Back to cricket for a reference.   You talk about dumbness - but then turn to idiotic yourself.   You say an  innings builder must score at a rate of 65%  - but when Kallis was building an innings at 55% - it suddenly became the norm.   When Smith was "building" innings this year it was at between 45% and 52%.   Then you say that us sufficient to ensure a winning score.   Problem is it never was and when Smith's inning building performances over the last year was evaluated it was found that we kllist virtually all games.


Please get real as to player performances.        


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 18, 2014, 22:13:06
 Ha ha best thread ever. Who would have thought that so soon in 2014 we would have the post of the year. Admit One..Well played son...That cracked me up hard..No words needed..Picture says it all and you could not have chosen a better picture as that. Similarities are remarkable. 
Thanks for that Admit One..Made my morning ;-)

All of a sudden Dom Saffex is Jakes number 1 fan...A real fickle swine this Saffex knob. I wonder if he loves his wife and kids the same each day or does he only love them when they do what he wants??

Saff, I am getting bored man..Please tell us more about dashers and builders but throw in how Jean is useless and JJ has cemented his place..Real gripping stuff..


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 19, 2014, 09:22:17
 CHICKEN you found a boyfriend yet?


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 19, 2014, 09:32:25
Mike I dont care to recall the details of every game I watch......at the time I went into detail regarding Frans's great S15 performances........I remember a few good breaks and some great offloads in the SBW style........but the details escape me.......it was ages ago.


As for cricket, well its very clear you dont have a clue what you are talking about and I am not just saying that for the sake of it, you clearly dont know the finer points of the game, for I guess you never played it. For you cricket is black or white.......it is anything but.......you have no idea of what is required in a game.


Even at basic club level that I still play, our side needs builders and dashers......without which we would fail most of the time


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 19, 2014, 11:44:36

Saffex


Did I not agree with you about the issue of innings builders in ODI's?  I think we did. because I said builders should build at 4 rpo's and you said at 65%.   No difference there.


Where we apparently differed is the "building roles"  Kallis and Smith played last tear in ODI's.   Kallis in only one game tried to build an innings - the rest he went out way too early to do anything of note.   In that one innings he "built" at 55% - 10% lower than you said is a requirement.   Smith on the other hand tried to build a few innings - but in his case the run rate was between 45% and 53% and all his efforts turned out sour as well.


My advice is to stick to a rate of between 60 and 65% and do not waste time with slow test batters - who cannot reasonably attain that percentage anymore - at least have not attained that percentage in the past two years.

   

Signs are that Smith is out of ODI's in any event.- so our diafreement is in theory only. 


Just one more question - why do virtually all countries have substantially different test batting line-ups from ODI batting line-ups?   Why do they omit their slow innings builders in tests from their ODI line-ups - while we do not do the same?   Is that not the reason for our recent poor performances in ODI's and our low ranking in that department of the game?     

 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 00:07:08
Crap, Smith has a career strike rate of 81% in ODI's and had a rate similar to that against Sri Lanka and New Zealand in the past two years. He only failed against Pakistan, so bloody what, he was out of form and only just back from a long lay off.


Smith will play many ODI's for SA including the next world cup and I'd put my house on that. The man is class......he should be captaining our ODI side as well.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 01:39:58

 Saffex


That strike rate by Graeme Smith was built up before his performances started to deteriorate.   The only time over the past two years when he had that kind of strike rate was when he made less than 20 runs in an innings.


It is easy to maintain that kind of strike rate .   Hit a four in the first over take one run and go out second ball in the next over and you have scored 5 runs from 6 balls faced.  However - in his last four ODI's his strike rate was  52,75 - way lower than what it is on average for his full career.


That type of thing influences the average runs per innings though.   Smiths average used to be 41,5 runs - it is now down to 37,9.   Smith has been out of the Protea side regularly in the past year    Since November last year he for instance played in only 4 of the 11 ODI's  played.    In those four ODI's for instance his average runs per innings was 12.  


Nobody in his right mind would have a problem with Smith in ODI's if he scores at a run rate of even 65 with an average of 37 runs per innings - but that type of thing just does not happen anymore. 


His performances over the past two years showed a steady decline - even in cases where he scored substantial runs his strike rate was in the vicinity of 50.


The above makes him unsuitable to play in ODI's and even the commentators have suggested he is not an option anymore. 

   


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 02:24:17
Great comeback Saffex. I feel so "put in my place" right now. 
Didn't you put your house on JJ cementing his place at 13?? Fuck sakes dom Saf. How many houses do you own?? 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 03:01:23
Admit One you crack me up and best post of the year......by far. Boklogic could not agree with you more than the stuck record of Saffex. 

Maybe he is on 'loop' and someone should press 'play' but that may subject us to his drivel even more.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 06:23:14
 Lambie and Frans should be a great combo for the sharks. Lambie is clealry making good progress at flyhalf and is now test class. Frans looks to be over his injury can train properly and has jake as amotifying force - something he does superbly. Frans is potentially world class. Lambie has a great rugby brain and lots of talent.

One has to conclude that Snapster is spot on. 

The Sharks are strong contenders to win the Super 15. Note also how Jake has dropped Daniel as captain. Watch out for the Sharks pack. 

The kiwi bird brains must be quaking in their very shiny glossy boots. bwahahhaahahha. Expect wee mcaaaw to take another sabbatical this year.

I see the mole admit one posted a picture of snapster and one of himself. Dont worry admit one there will never be any confusion. rolling laughter emoticon


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 06:36:17

Beeno


Lambie will not be playing on Saturday against Saracens - he is getting married on Saturday. 


We will have an opportunity to see how Swiel performs on Saturday - I am really looking forward to see that one.


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 07:10:43
 If Lambie is getting married on Saturday to his beautiful girlfriend, that means he is going to have sex on Saturday night. There is a rugby game on though. Does this mean he is going to miss a rugby game to make love to a beautiful women??

I know another guy who does this. Its very common I see..


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 09:41:51
CHICKEN is this your attempt at humour, just asking? 


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 20, 2014, 20:42:18
 No saff man. I know it sounds too cringeworthy to be true and I don't blame you for thinking it's an attempt at humour but this was actually a passage extracted from one of the bloggers on this site that was interviewed by Sharksworld. 
It's crazy hey! The man went on to say he only has two things on his mind. Women and rugby. 
I propose we will see this guy in the crime channel one day for being a sleazy serial rapist. My avatar is actually awareness to all women out there of what to look out for and stay away from. Sleazy cunt gives me the creeps!


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 21, 2014, 09:30:09
CHICKEN, you found yourself a boyfriend yet, I told you I am not into boys


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RE: Lambie at 10, Frans at 12 says Jake
January 21, 2014, 20:39:33
 A fit Steyn will do well at 12. He is a little slow for 15 or 13 but where he lacks in pace he makes up with his strength and the x factor.

I have confidence in Jake White and his decisions! Go Sharks!


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