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kingcorn

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Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 13:37:28

Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT 


....but then his reason is completely dumbfounding. 


"I've coached Bakkies for years now and have seldom seen him look this good," 


So a player he apparently been following since his young days and has had recent evidence of watching him play in the currie cup final is not enough for a player who he last coached 4 years ago and last seen 2 years while still at the bulls. 


This proves that Meyer will only select players that he coached or have a world cup medal and prevent young up and coming players from gaining valuable experience.


His reason for keeping Flip is also really dumb. I need a experience player with a new player and can't have two new players. Bakkies is hardly new and it would probably have been better to have Flip, PSDT and Estebeth on the bench with flip being replaced by Estebeth. Giving the boks the perfect start to a promising lock partnership that could exceed that what Matfield and Botha achieved.


CleanCut

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 13:44:39
 
all in good time, corn.


CleanCut

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 13:44:41
 
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Sharkbok

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 13:44:41
 The real stupid decision is Flip. 
If Bakkies is in such good condition, then the logical choice is to drop Flip vanDer Merwe. 

PSD has earned his starting place with the man of the match in the Curry Cup final and should be getting experience now for the World Cup


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 14:02:16
 It's not as stupid as it seems. He went the way of the youngster in the Championship and it backfired. At lock we are actually quite vulnerable, and have still to form any kind of duo that can be relied upon. Flip has been the next best thing when playing well, and nobody has else has come close to what Bakkies is still currently doing. On an EOYT, it's a very deadly game bringing in youngsters, it traditionally comes undone as their lack of experience against this rugby culture becomes a liability. Meyer is prudent and using his resources well.


CleanCut

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 14:17:06
 
Truth be told ... I am very keen to see Bakkies play.

I am hoping he brings in a very high standard.

He has a great respect for Meyer and I think this in itself will keep his temperament in check.

Either way, I hope he's VERY physical.

I want the Scots to be demolished by at least 30pts.


Saffex

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 15:11:36

Meyer showing just how stupid he is......Bakkies the newcomer........oh boy!!


Beeno1

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 16:15:58
Conditions may result in trench warfare. Not ideal for a kid like Steph. Meyer of course understands this. Next year watch Du Toit get the necessary time.
Bakkies hasnt played for the Boks for two years so in that sense is a newcomer.


clevermike

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 16:33:18
 Beeeno

 The so-called hard decision entails only one thing.   If somebody played for the Bulls in the passed decade he is good enough to play for SA.   Meyer has by now now picked a full team of Bulls players too represent SA    As long as they have played for the Bulls its fine - they can come back anytime.

There was no hard decision - bugger Ettzebbeth - bugger u Toit - neither has played for the Bulls - so here we go with the Bulls locks.

That is stupid - after 2009 the Bulls players and for that matter th Springboks started to deteriorate and the resultsin the period 2010-11 showed that.   

He wants Bakkies back now - he tried to get Mattfield back and if he even play one game for the Bulls next Super `15 - he will be back.   This is the actions of a retrograde - not a forward looking person with vision.  


bluebok

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 16:38:32
Don't agree at all with this call. PS Du Toit should have been on the bench at least. This is the perfect game for a player like him to get experience. I reckon Flip should have sat this one out.


kingcorn

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 15, 2013, 18:17:33
 There is nothing new about Meyers coaching style, bakkies has been playing under Meyer for most of his professional career. 

There must be some massive play book that each player has to learn. They are probably tested every week to see how well they know it. The bulls players don’t have to learn so hard as they already know it.

Jeez, Bakkies had his chance. If bakkies was playing in SA and still producing the goods at Super rugby level I would say why the hell not, but I have only seen Bakkies play in one top 14 game and he seemed fine but have no idea how good he would be. Besides, I think both Estebeth and PSDT are way better as they are better ball players.

I remember the match we lost against Ireland was when bakkies failed to pass the ball to an open player and decided to run over a player regardless of scoring a try and winning the game. The moment of stupidity meant we lost to Ireland.

Why have a player that only wants to smash into players but that can’t even bloody pass.  


clevermike

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 16, 2013, 08:16:05
 I do not understand Meyer's attitude at all.  He seemed to overlook the deficiencies of the older players - and fail to comprehend the value of younger players.  He keeps on playing players like Steenkamp - but one wonders why.   The latter used to be a very good prop - but the emphasis is on WAS.   As recently as two weeks ago Steenkamp was very poor when starting for Toulouse as prop.   I have not seen Bakkies play on club level recently - but it should be borne in mind that it is club level games he plays in somewhere below CC level - definitely way below Super 15 level.   The players on that level are often enough ex-international players and most others are not even candidates for selection to the French national team.   There are about 30 French internationals playing for 14 teams - at best we have a case of 3 to 4 players in the top 4 teams that make the French squad.   The other international players mostly play for Argentina and Italy - but they are alo a small minority of the total club player pools. 

The question is - how good are the players who shine on club level?   Are they still internationally competitive players?   Judging from the Steenkamp case there is no way that they are.

I want to mention another example.   In the latest ODI games and T20 internationals against Pakistan the Proteas stared off with Graeme Smith and Colin Ingram as opening batsmen.   Both flopped and put extreme pressure on the lower order batters.   By a sheer fluke the Proteas managed to win the first ODI by 1 run - they lost the second ODI badly.   Both openers were replaced - Smith by Quinton de Kock and Igram by Amla.   The latter was a mixed bag - he had one good score in the five matches played and mostly went out for less than 15 runs - Quinton de Kock piled in runs on both levels like it was unbelievable.   In the three ODI's he scored 188 runs - but at a very fast rate - mostly averaging 80 per 100 balls faced - not the 60 out of a 100 of Smith who managed 34 runs off 55 balls.   In the 20T games De Kock scored 78 runs off 57 balls faced and not out in 1 game.   Will he be replaced by Smith in the coming games?   I frankly do not think he will - and if he is - it will be a step backwards.   

The same applies to Du Toit and Etzebeth.  On realize that a rest would benefit Etzebeth massively - he has been playing rugby every weekend since May 2013.  But is he really poorer than Bakkies?   I do not think so - he i a much more versatile player than Bakkies ever was as Kingcorn pointed out above.         

   


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 16, 2013, 14:58:45
I am very disappointed in the shallow level of strategic nous most of you have shown. Well, here's a lesson from the master. Now, Meyer is in the Northern Hemisphere and in need of resting young Eben; what do you suppose you do? Blood a rookie and risk jeopardizing the test? Will the fans understand if you do and being sympathetic? One would safely presume not. So, he now has two options: a promising rookie with years of development; a seasoned professional who is playing in the Northern Hemisphere with a high standard to his game. Which would be the obvious choice? The smart man thinketh Bakkies. You do not see the value in this short term decision because you are prejudiced. Because you are prejudiced and charged with negative energy, all your perceptions, words and actions - in a sweep chain reaction - are eskewed. I doubt Meyer is thinking of Bakkies beyond this one test and, irrespective of the little stories you conjure, already has his mind set on PSDT for next season. The value of Bakkies in the team environment has extraordinary merit and the value is expressed in the impact it has had on the entire team. If you cannot align yourself with this reality, the you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Most of what I read is very shortsighted, reactionary and biased. This is all fine in the safe haven of the sideline where you have no consequence to reap for your folly, but would prove disastrous in real life. Its no surprise that the more level headed are those who have or are currently living their values in the real life and understand the rigors and demands that do not prove conducive to the rag-tag thinking that we so often see. Look to see, see to learn, learn to grow.


clevermike

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 16, 2013, 21:59:47

 Sun-Tzu

 

With reppect - I hope you are right as to Bakkies being a player selected specifically for this tour - but the main reason why you may be wrong  is his persistence with Steenkamp through thick and thin - after saying last year he is picking the EOYT squad because the players like Steenkamp would be useful in NH conditions.   To his credit - Meyer did say that this is the last tour some players will be selected - but he never mentioned names.

 

If one assumes that he refers to players like Kirchner, Steenkamp, Botha, etc and he includes Morne Steyn - I would say he is over his mania about them and shout Hurrah.   One can also hope that after this tour h has seen enough from Fourie to be scared away from him as well.    

 

I wish you are right -- but have a nagging suspicion that you may not be.  

 

Lets

  


Beeno1

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 16, 2013, 22:17:30
ou maaaikie you still not trying to blame Meyer for picking Bulle players? 
I thought we had progressed beyong that point.


clevermike

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RE: Meyer admits that it was a hard decision to leave out PSDT
November 16, 2013, 23:12:28

 Beeno

 

Lets get this straight - I think Meyer is a bit past that one - but he is still hankering after ex-Bulls like Botha and Mattfield and addicted to Steennkamp - the players he used to coach when he was the Bulls coach.

 

What makes me the hell in is that he is now going to bring Bakkies and if remotely possible Mattfield in as his no I choices as locks and dispose of younger and better players like Etzebeth and Du Toit.   That is what raise my temper like nothing before.  


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