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CleanCut

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King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 07:34:26


If anyone ever doubted what Willem Alberts means to the Springboks, his value to the national team would have been confirmed by coach Heyneke Meyer at the team announcement in Edinburgh on Thursday.

 

You would think that against Scotland the Boks would be prepared to rest the Sharks behemoth, but Meyer is clearly edgy about the prospect of going onto Murrayfield without the blindside flank there to galvanize the physical aspect of the South African defensive game.

 

Alberts is struggling with an AC joint injury picked up last week against Wales that has kept him from training this week.

 

His chances of taking the field against Scotland have been put by Meyer at 50/50 and he has been bracketed with Stormers flank Siya Kolisi, but that is not preventing the coach from holding out hope that he will be ready on Sunday.

 

“We are worried about him and if he is not 100 per cent ready we will not start with him and Siya will play instead,” said Meyer.

 

“But we would like to give him as much chance as possible to prove his fitness as we know how important he is to our team. He was superb last week against Wales and apart from making the most tackles he also put in some massive hits. He got the trophy from the players for making the biggest hits.

 

“We know that Scotland are physical and that their big strength is their play on the ground, so we feel we do need the impact that Willem can bring to the collisions. So we will give him a chance to prove his fitness, although at the same time we don’t want to take a chance if he is not 100 per cent ready as we have a big match against France in Paris six days after the one against Scotland.”

 

Alberts’s presence is important to the balance of the backrow, something that Meyer unwittingly underlined when he explained that Kolisi, the man earmarked to replace Alberts, is in effect seen as a specialist openside flanker going forward.

 

“I do see Siya’s long-term future as an openside, and we are working hard with both him and Marcell Coetzee on developing the necessary skills for that position. Siya has worked hard with Richie Gray on his breakdown skills.”

 

Arno Botha would probably have been the No 7 backing up Alberts had he not been injured and ruled out for the rest of the season during the last meeting with Scotland in Nelspruit in June.

 

And if Schalk Burger rediscovers his old knack of appearing in every game to be playing on the magic potion that used to galvanize the cartoon character Asterix, it might well be on the blindside flank that he will be accommodated.

 

But for now the back row mix when Alberts is present is quite different to when he is, which explains Meyer’s anxiousness to get the first choice ready for the Scottish battle.


A giant of a player. Hope he recovers. Kolisi is not a suitable replacement.





clevermike

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 11:39:27

 Cleancut

 

Since he only plays 20 minutes in any given match and loafs around for the rest - and when playing only contribute a miniscule percentage of what is expected from a loosie - any replacement is better than FAT Alberts.   Where he got his reputation from must be the biggest hoax of the 21st century.:D:P:P 

 


CleanCut

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 11:56:16
 
Oh dear ... Mike are you feeling ok man?

This is suppose to be a thread for the incredible Alberts ... um ... not Steenkamp.

Perhaps you should try again.

Then again ... maybe you should go get back into bed.

 


clevermike

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 12:03:52

 Cleancut

 

There is no difference between the two - both are FAT and bloody useless.  The difference is - one is masquerading as a prop,  the other as a loosie.  :D:D:D


CleanCut

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 13:07:52
 
Like I said ... go get back into the sack, Mike.

Your not thinking straight!!


Sun-Tzu

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 13:46:54
I do feel apprehensive about this test. For the sake of our esteem it is imperative that we clean sweep this tour, but we now suffer the one injury I hoped we wouldn't; namely Alberts. If we lack superiority on the ground we will do well to win this game. Note how we were very much outplayed by them earlier in the year. In fact, we have to go back to 2004 for a comfortable win! I think Coetzee, for all his flaws would be the better pick than Siya for physicality.


Pine in Ireland

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 14:38:29
 I think Alberts reminds mike about some kid that use to bully him at school. 


clevermike

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 15, 2013, 16:19:18
 Pine

No its about a prop masquerading as loosie - thats what makes me boiling.   And also the hoax on people to portray a false image. 


Pine in Ireland

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 16, 2013, 00:26:35
 Mike I dont agree with on alot of ur views. And never will.
But I must say u always reply like a gentleman. Where others would call names and so on.


Sharkbok

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 16, 2013, 01:22:53
 Clevermike, you have an expectation for a loose forward and measure Alberts to this.

The All Blacks have loose forwards that are all fetchers. Smaller and mobile. It works for them with their big backline players that can pass in contact or before going to ground. 
Same with many of the pacific island countries.
They have the biggest backline players ever seen in the game of World Rugby and it has changed game plans. 

Unfortunately the rest of the world have small back line players, or big back-line players with limited skills.
 

Same with Australia- but only when they have good backs!

The rest of the world it is still about forward domination before releasing the backs.
Alberts bring the physical factor, perhaps if you took a few of his tackles you would relate to the respect that opposition teams have for him.

A Springbok number7 is not a fetcher, but a strong ball carrier. (either Crass ball or a skillful runner like Bob skinstad, Joe Van Niekerk).

The typical bok 7 is about the size of a lock-look at Juan Smith. 

just because he is stocky does not mean he does not get around the park. on slower fields he is an 80 minute player, but on faster pitches it is 55


clevermike

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RE: King Alberts and his value confirmed ...
November 16, 2013, 02:44:16
 Sgarkbok

I wish I could agree with you about the Alberts issue - but there are issues which I disagree with which cannot be just disregarded.   You for instance refer to Jan Smith as an example pf a big no 7.   However, there is a huge difference  between Alberts and Smith.   Smith - although big - at his prime weighed 112 kgs, whilst Alberts (2 cms shorter than Smith) weighs in at 121 kgs.   

That difference impacts substantially on their performances.  Smith was athletic and was substantially speeder than Alberts is.   Smith could carry balls in traffic as well as in open field play - Albert carrying capacity is limited to a small number of carries per game in traffic with limited gain in territory - none in open field play.   

The other issue is the question of heavier field performance and less heavy ones and lthe ability of Alberts to get around on the field of play.   I have looked in practice at that issue - and found that Alberts do get around on the field of play - but at around the same ime as the tight five players get to breakdown points.   Being more athetic than Alberts  Smith did make a more physical impact than the rather clumsy Alberts make at  such points.Alberts impact at such points are normally not to enter mauls after arrivals - but like in the CC final he rarely joins a maul - he normally haggs backand does not enter into mauls.   If the opposition gets early reovery - he is not in a position to affect tackles.   If it is a quick recovery he is not there to make tackles - if it is a slow recovery Alberts is there and does make tackles.

The quantity and quality of the tackles is important.  In essence Alberts is an effective tackler in traffic - not so outside of traffic.   That means that compared to other loosies - he generally (with rare exceptions) have a relatively lower tackle count than other blindsiders.   In Super 15 this year Albert's average number of tackles per game was 7 - the figure for other blind side loosies range between 11 and 12.   The same tendency prevails at test levels.   

There can be no doubt  that Alberts in about 7O% of his tackles make strong tackles, but not to such an extent that the opposition lose possession as a result of the tackles.   The other tackles are less effective since they allow for player to off-loaqd balls.

I often during games look specifically at certain players and make notes  of what they contribute to games - Alberts is one of those - and what emerges from those notes are often way out of line with what is in the media.   People see a few strong tackles and make one good ball carry and that suddenly becomes the norm in a game for evaluation.   It is not necessarily reflective of performances throughout games.

In summary - Alberts normally maintains a relatively low work rate throughout games and that for me is where I differ from the majority and have reservations.       

     


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