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Beeno1

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Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 17:59:27



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Legendary Springbok wing Bryan Habana heaped high praise on his long time teammate Bakkies Botha on Wednesday, saying that the lock’s return to the squad after a two-year break had had a profound impact on all the players in the group.

Botha played his last game for South Africa at the 2011 World Cup, where injury prevented him from making the flourishing exit to the international stage that maybe he had hoped.

Perhaps it strengthened his resolve to play for his country again, for he told a press conference in Edinburgh that every day during his stay in Toulon he dreamed of wearing the green and gold once more.

“I was more happy than surprised when I got the call from (coach) Heyneke Meyer to tell me I had been selected for this tour,” said Botha.

I can tell you that every day when I was in Toulon, whether it was going to the gym or going to training, I had in the back of my mind the Springboks and my desire to wear the green and gold again. I never gave up on that dream, and now it has been realised for me. And now it feels like I am starting all over again, that I have a new career.

“The day I arrived in Cardiff I felt like a young player. I don’t know the word that explains how I feel. Perhaps it is respect? Or maybe I am awed? But there are new players in the squad, and it is all new, and people called me Oom (uncle) when I arrived.”

But according to Habana, it is not just the youngsters who have been rejuvenated by the return of Botha to the Springbok group.

It has been quite astounding to witness first hand the impact that Bakkies has had on the squad. His presence and standing is immense,” said Habana.

That first week in Cardiff it was pretty special to see young guys like Pieter-Steph du Toit and Eben Etzebeth looking up at Bakkies with such massive respect, seeing him as a legend of the game, and guys like Siya Kolisi and Marcell Coetzee calling him Oom (a mark of respect among [removed] speaking males). Even at Toulon his presence is highly valued, and he brings with him to the Boks what every team he has ever been part of has valued.

“I am not just referring to his physical presence, but also his integrity (within the team environment). He brings with him a wealth of experience, not just in terms of having played a lot of international rugby, but also now having played for two years overseas. He has improved himself on the field, but he has also grown as a person, and to see him giving life lessons to the players around him has been wonderful.”

Habana said that when he moved to Toulon from the Stormers earlier this year he became immediately aware that there is a lot of hunger for rugby in Botha’s giant frame.

“When I arrived in Toulon I saw the yearning in his eyes and the desire to play top rugby again so I am pleased for him that it has happened,” said Habana.

Botha, who is now 34, is expected to be named in the starting team for Sunday’s test against Scotland at Murrayfield.

One of his foremost tasks will be to guide young Du Toit through what is expected to be his first start in a test match. But even Etzebeth, who has become established in Botha’s old No 4 jersey, is learning off the experienced veteran.

And for his part, Botha says he is loving his mentorship role.

“There have been some excellent youngsters added to the group since I have been away, and both Etzebeth and Pieter-Steph are special players. It is a privilege to be asked to pass my experience on to those guys.”

Botha says he is taking his new career with the Boks on a game by game, week by week basis, and claimed he wasn’t immediately even looking beyond the scheduled training session at a field outside of Edinburgh.

“When you get to my age you realise you don’t have four or five years left in the game, so it would be really stupid to set long term goals,” he said.

“For me it is just about getting back into that jersey and playing international rugby again, and enjoying it. I won’t take it beyond a week by week approach.”


Ou maaaikie and snapster have of course not unsderstood all this. Rather have Willmese etc in. I think these subtleties fly over their heads. Hahahahahahahaha



sasuke uchiha

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 19:23:21
in terms of developing the 'canterbury NZ Springboks' i think its a mistake to include bakkies when theres good depth of locks already available.

but it is kind of cool to see him back, wish him all the best by which i mean i hope he dosent get carded, lolz.

something tells me the 'canterbury NZ Springboks' are going to murder the bravehearts this weekend, :ermm:


moolaa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 20:45:47
 Don't see why any intelligent young Bok lock would look up to one of the worst thugs in rugby history. They'll be getting schooled on every low trick in the book right now!


Ceradyne

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 21:18:13
 Ahhh Bakkies is  now right up there as a thug. Why? Because he head-butted that underhanded lowlife, Jimmy Cowan? While I do not condone the head-but from  behind, Cowan deserved getting moered in that game.


Just_win

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 22:53:06
Boks team is developing nicely but you have taken a wrong turn.

Bakkies methods will lead to more penalties & more frustration. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Not a problem for us though. Welcome back Bakkies, we missed ya, lol


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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 23:09:05
 


Just_win

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 13, 2013, 23:33:26
Yup, shot down in flames again :)


hakwa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 00:27:43
 Habana doesn't need anyone to teach him any more dirty tricks. He is the Master of Hollywood dives in rugby all the while providing his own sound effects with well timed screams to get the ref's attention. He would have made a very good Italian soccer player.


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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 00:41:02
Beenkop, get a grip, its about performing on the field and selecting the best players.......Bakkies could mentor without being part of the squad


polyboy

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 01:34:13

Bakkies as a player is a great mentor, but as an "enforcer" he was prone to enforce on players smaller than him and in Cowan's case it was done in a pretty cowardly way.  Not once did he try to match up with players like Kaino or Thorn, so as a player I rate him as an enforcer more bully.


Boklogic

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 03:27:51
Poly boy, don't sit here and write [removed]! Bakkies was never shy of anyone. Kaino and Thorn included. His head butt of Cowan was just one of those moments of frustration. What was clear though is Messam [removed]ting himself when firstly Vermuelen grabbed him then Etzebeth. 
I thought he was a boxer? Maybe he is one of those SBW type boxers that are really just posers who look mean against a boxing bag but really can't put it up against a real person even if that person is over weight and nearing his 50's like the White Buffalo!


Sharkbok

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 04:23:15
 This is when Sam Whitelock started to get out of line.




moolaa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 05:00:45

 Logic, Messam did in fact fight in the "Fight for Life" event last year and cleaned up an Aussie league player who's name escapes me. He looked anything but scared when facing up to Itsabutt at Ellis Park and looked like he was telling him to bring it on!

Bakkies is nothing but a coward who specialises in headbutts on half backs and shoulder charges on players trapped in rucks. I can't recall him actually going "toe to toe" with anyone but no doubt some Saffa halfback in a club game has been on the end of a punch from him!


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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 05:41:12
I give you the sans ball spear tackler Brad Thorne....now there's your dirtiest lock on the planet


Beeno1

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 07:48:21
kiwis a kindly word of advice - never talk yourself up re boxing. I remind you nz have only ever had 1 world boxing champion. That was TORPEDO Bill Murphy in 1890.  In other words  kiwis you have not had a world boxing champ in for 123 yearts and counting.
South Africa has had 49 and counting. Hahahahahahaha clearly kiwis are not warriors! 

No wonder the kiwis stand in awe of Bakkies the enforcer warrior.  Whitelock thanks his lucky star that Bakkies retired from International rugby and is praying Bakkies will soon be out of the picture. Bakkies has probably been the best lock in recdnt decades doing the job of two locks. Fortunately we now have two great young locks ready to rule world rugby. 


Just_win

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 08:37:22
Beeno: Botha and a few avid Bok supporters seem to be confused. Rugby is not boxing. 

Welcome back Botha, we missed ya! Every yella card is worth about 5 points for the Mighty ABs.


Beeno1

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 09:09:10
 JW you make my case. It is oft said a yellow is worth 10 points though.
Now JW apply lonely brain cell and consider the effect of the Boks, via ref in kiwi pocket, giving the Boks twice as many yellows than the abs. How many tests credited to the wee abs should have been won by the Mighty Boks. 

The mind boggles at how warped the stats are re tests wins becasue of this one factor. Never mind also about the abs not being penalised for infringemnts and we getting nailed unfairly. 

Could JW be getting a glimmer.


CleanCut

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 10:16:51
 
Hilarious stuff.

One mentions the name Bakkies and all the kiwis go into a flat spin.

Panic sets in ... then he's a this and he's a that .... teaching the young guns bad things and how awful this will be for Bok rugby ... blah, blah, blah ... 

Sorry to advise you trembling kiwi wimps .. but the enforcer Bakkies' presence will long continue to haunt you, through the lads he's mentoring.

Be afraid ... be very afraid ...

 


hakwa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 10:58:01
you are all right - we are scared of Bakkies, and Eben and Vermuelen. Just the mere mention of their names, and we start hiding babies and running to the hills ;)


moolaa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 11:00:57
 You're right Hasbeeno, the stats are warped. Imagine what the ABs would've won by if we had 15 men on the park at Ellis (the fortress..oxymoron!) Park for 80 minutes instead of 60? The mind boggles!
No panic with Bakkies CC. Every concerned rugby follower doesn't want the thug passing on dirty low down tricks to impressionable young players. Surely you also wish to retain your whole team on the park at all times?  


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 12:06:40
"Don't see why any intelligent young Bok lock would look up to one of the worst thugs in rugby history"

This is exactly the attitude I don't like to see among my brethren. In terms of discipline, what have we seen throughout his career? A gouge on Cannon in 2003 under Straeuli and a head-butt in 2010 under De Villiers. Its ludicrous in the extreme to label him anything like a thug. Have you not witnessed Samoa? Have you not seen So'oialo? Danny Grew[removed]? Ma'a Nonu? So many players who have crossed that line more often in single tests than Bakkies has in his entire test career! Not enough respect for one of the two best locks of all time, and here then why we continually find South Africans falling into the hype of something completely ordinary; a lack of respect indeed and a very dark side to our culture at present.


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 12:10:34
Moola, please note how poor the All Blacks were in beating a team that played sevens on the day; totally abandoning structure and tacticality. It ended 4 tries to 5. Then there was Dunedin where New Zealand could not break a Bok side down to 14 men. Some perspective you are lacking. No wonder then why New Zealand are viewed with far less reverence in recent years.


polyboy

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 13:19:54

Boklogic Brad Thorn would've cleaned his clock. The Boks try to play the intimidation factor with all teams , except it has never worked with the AB's, you want proof....the AB's and New Zealand's winning record backs that up, we read how "this Bok player and that Bok player" have the AB's trembling......well have a look up at the scoreboard and see if that translates into winning, the AB's don't back down. Like I said I respect Bakkies as a player its his perchance for cheap shots that label him a bully. Sun Tzu you failed to comment on the Ellis park Bok loss, AB down to 14 men and they even scored against the Bok...the comments immediately after the game especially from a lot of Bok supporters in fact demonstrated that the AB's were still ....revered in SA and around the world.


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 13:26:18
Sorry Polly, here's a cracker:

On the other side, All Blacks coach Graham Henry claimed his star flyhalf Dan Carter was the constant target of off-the-ball attention from his opposite Butch James.

All Blacks No.8 Jerome Kaino then taunted the Springboks, who are renowned for their fearsome approach, by saying they buckle when the All Blacks stand up to them physically.


http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/07/11/ref-to-intervene-in-all-blacks-springboks-pre-test-war/

Of course Henry using the media to pressure the ref into blotting the opposition out. Butch and Januarie constantly wrapping Carter up in huge tackles. There are other other instances of All Blacks saying such things so they betray your cause Polly.


polyboy

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 14:54:09

Sun Tzu your reply deviated to something I didn't address...I think, what point were you trying to make?  And "tackle" and "Butch James" are 2 phrases that don't go together...try "late shoulder charge" instead of "tackle".


moolaa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 20:36:29
 Sun-Tsu, Bakkies one of the 2 best locks of all time??? As Poly said, just a bully who either picked on smaller players or specialised in cheap shots on blokes trapped in rucks. Not an enforcer at all, just a gutless coward and he wouldn't make the top 10 locks of all time let alone the top 2!
Matfield I had the utmost respect for; he played the game and not the man! The Boks would be a lot better if they just played it like Matfield but you can't see that.


Beeno1

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 21:58:58
 matfield a 106 stringbean who bakkies said - victor doesnt always play in the backline. by lauding matfield you hatters give the game away. Worst lock we have had as he was no tight forward. 
I am sure nz loved playing against matfield but hasted playing against Bakkies an all time great.


moolaa

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RE: Habana awed by Oom Bakkies Impact
November 14, 2013, 22:07:05

 Typical Saffa mentality Hasbeeno......Matfield ruled the lineout and the ABs hardly ever won their own let alone any Bok lineouts, but you would rather laud a thug cos you have to be bigger and meaner than the opposition! Matfield continually starved the opposition of any ball which made it a tad harder to win!

Where has this mentality got you?...an 11.11% winning record over the ABs in the last 9 tests.

Are you getting this yet?


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