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Just_win

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Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 12, 2013, 23:25:42

Most of the fuss was about Morne Steyn's back spasms, but Patrick Lambie may well be the player to steal the Springbok spotlight this week.

Lambie, who was earmarked to start at flyhalf against Scotland at Murrayfield this coming Sunday, received an unexpected additional 60 minutes of game time in Cardiff last Saturday - and it may just be to the Boks' benefit.

Steyn suffered a back spasm during the warm-up and lasted just 18 minutes, before Lambie - who started at fullback - took over at flyhalf and Willie le Roux came into the last line of defence.

That is why the concerns about Steyn's injury - which is improving enough to ensure he is likely to be available anyway - should not be a major concern.

Bok assistant coach John McFarland feels Lambie benefitted greatly from his time at flyhalf at the Millennium Stadium in the 24-15 win over Wales at the weekend.

And while the Bok medical staff will continue to keep a close eye on Steyn, Lambie is set to play a pivotal role against the Scots this coming Sunday.

"We are lucky to have two quality No.10s," McFarland  told a media scrum at the team's base in Edinburgh.

"You need that [two quality flyhalves] at this level.

"Obviously Pat hasn't had much game-time this year, but it was great that the got the 60 minutes that he did.
 
"As the game went on he improved and got more comfortable with what we wanted and he did really well."

McFarland also dismissed the notion that Lambie's poor Currie Cup form could impact on his game as he prepares for a start in the No.10 jersey.

"In the Currie Cup Final he won the Sharks the game," the Bok assistant said, when asked about Lambie's poor kicking in earlier matches.

"It is great when you are a flyhalf and you are steering a team around for game management.

"When you win a big game [the Currie Cup Final] and you play the sort of tactical game they [the Sharks] did [against Western Province] in Cape Town that is very encouraging to see."


Just_win

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 12, 2013, 23:28:39
Well, the debate on this forum of Steyn v Lambie has been going on for some time but this article is still worth posting.


Sharkbok

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 12, 2013, 23:52:21
Unfortunately neither is very good at Flyhalf.

We need Goosen at 10, 
and after Morne Steyn and Lambie we struggle with depth for flyhalf.

Jantjies is poor as are many of the other no name brands.







Ceradyne

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 13, 2013, 00:00:09
What has Goosen proven at test level?


kingcorn

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 13, 2013, 00:04:59
Fact is, Meyer turn flyhalves into robots. Lambie has the temperament to hold his own but when compare our 10 stock against NZ I just don't think we come close. Bauden Barrett really surprised me this year, this kid has serious pace for a 10.

I rate Goosen highly but he needs to get better conditioning, breaks down to often.

I want lambie to play the same way that he played for the sharks. Hopefully Jake will sort him out next year at the sharks. 



Saffex

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 13, 2013, 00:07:44
If we never see Morne at 10 for the Boks again, it will be too soon. 


Lambie to start at 10 with Goosen off the bench.


What has Goosen proven at test level you ask Vlag?........stupid naive question, look no further than his performance against Oz.......that attacking display is something Morne can only dream of.


Morne is useless, seriously useless and has a test record of 60% win record to prove it



clevermike

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 13, 2013, 01:36:13

Saffex

 

My question remains - why must be always suffer with Morne Steyn at flyhalf?  Nothing personal against him - but he is robotic and predictable  with nothing but goalkicking as worthwhile abilities/assets. 


CleanCut

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 13, 2013, 09:22:18
 
I think the 60 odd minutes Lambie had will stand him in good stead this weekend.

Just what the doctor ordered.

Now it's up to him to grab this limited opportunity and force the coach to rethink his regular 10 pick.

It's entirely up to Pat. He has GOT to make the most of it. Leave Meyer without any doubt. If he fails, he'll be benched again for the French test.


 


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 13:12:00
Lambie has had years to prove himself. As it stands Lambie's reputation burst onto the scene and has been unrivalled since, but poor Lambie is still straining to keep pace with it.

Goosen has a serious flaw; his extremely frail body lacks any kind of physical presence. How then can a physically weak 10 impose himself om the gainline and last the distance? It's one big contradiction after another, and that's before we consider his defence - which is the weakest of all our 10s by some distance!


sebastienchabal

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 19:55:48

Ironically Patrick is direct Scots decent (although his dad played for Natal before he was injured)...he very nearly went to play for Scotland so I heard.

 

I read someone comment on this forum that he is weak...you most definitely don't know him or what you are talking about and are a retarded judge of character. He is the very opposite of this stupid comment.

 

With those with insight and know talent when they recognise it, we will be vindicated, more importantly he will and in the future the boks will be be enriched.

 

Come on Pat, dhow them, a lot of us are behimd you.


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 20:04:37
 By the World Cup Lambie will be gone. He has been on the scene for over two years and we are still talking about vindication and big chances to prove something. That sums up the situation. No, this timid and physically lacking boy is well out of his depth; it's an already well established fact, and he's getting worse!


Shezza

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 20:46:48
Sun-Tzu or bugger or whoever you are, weak and frail are too different things. Goosens not weak. Morne is not the answer and he is a lot weaker than Goosen, the former just helps opposition on their way to the try line eg. Barrett in Ellis Park.


Beeno1

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 21:45:55
 Well, well, well so Goosen is weak and frail opine the pundits.
Goosen was under 19 when he played for the Boks!!!!! This year he is under 20. Meyer realises that is still very young and wisely is keeping him back. No doubt serious work is going on re his conditioning. ditto Jan.
eanwhile these youngsters have had afire of desire lit in them how badly do they want to play for the Boks by now. All this subtle pyschology is wasted on the oaks! hahahahahahaha
Goosen will not be sacricied to satisfy youth obsessed dopes! 
Meanwhile snapster's anti Meyer stats re test lost are in a shambles.
Go Meyer and the Boks


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 23:02:40
 Shezza, when Goosen can withstand Samoa then we can talk. Goosen is very small, very frail on defence. Morne is far more physical and much calmer. Goosen is in the same mould as Quad Cooper but without the excess of personality.


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 23:10:32
 Beeno, Goosen is an ectomorph. Age can't compensate for genetics sadly. Unlike Lambie he doesn't have potential for growth and will never be strong enough. As an impact off the bench? Maybe it could work, he does have better understanding of the position than Lambie; nothing more then that. Taute and Goosen both proved the point last year.


Shezza

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 23:58:11
 You do realise that Morne can't withstand Samoa, he avoids contact. Any player at 21 years of age has potential of growth, you are speaking through your arse. Lambie at 23 has potential for growth but Goosen at 21 doesn't...


Shezza

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RE: Lambie the perfect 10 for Scots (Rugby 365)
November 14, 2013, 23:59:14
 You do realise that Morne can't withstand Samoa, he avoids contact. Any player at 21 years of age has potential of growth, you are speaking through your arse. Lambie at 23 has potential for growth but Goosen at 21 doesn't...


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