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Sharkbok

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Pieter Steph DuToit
November 11, 2013, 21:27:13

His debut looked very solid. 

Physical but has the mobility of a loose forward.

He was also competing well and the breakdown, with one clear out that lead to a Springbok turnover. 

It would be good to see him start against Scotland


mozart

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 11, 2013, 22:56:14
I agree 


hakwa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 00:36:41
 This is one player I will watch with interest. 


Just_win

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 00:44:03
 agree!


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 00:47:00

Sharkbok

 

This is a youngster that showed massive early promise on junior level and since he has develop further he is now a very real Springbok player.   He and Etzebeth is likely to be the best lock combination the world has ever seen - better than Botha and Mattfield - because they already show better skills in most aspects of the game than those two did in their hayday.   The difference is that both are more athletic with better ball skills - while Mattfield was not as physically imposing as Du Toit is.   The latter is at least 10 kilos heavier in muscle weight than Mattfield ever was.  

 

And they are only 22 and 21 years old - what a future those two will have. 


CleanCut

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 08:01:05
 
We'll soon see what he brings to the test arena.

Look forward to it.


moolaa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 09:40:08
 As usual, Saffa supporters getting over excited about a young bloke showing a bit of promise. Mike, if you keep telling yourself something often enough it just might come true!
Give me Whitelock, Retallick and Romano any day, a trio with the complete set of skills.


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 09:59:21

 Moolaa

 

You are used to poor locks - and the three mentioned are slightly better than the rest you have in New Zealand - so you are welcome to them.  Would probably only have Whitelock in a SA Super 15  franchise team - the other two would find it hard to be on the bench.  :D:D:D


moolaa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 10:03:43
 One win in the last 9 tests for your blokes tells a different story!


CleanCut

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 10:58:35
 
So true Mike.

They have good locks but nothing like the boys we have.

Leave old moolaa in lala land.

His bubble will burst soon enough.



moolaa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 11:02:14
 You're having a while to wait though CC. If beating the Boks incessantly means I'm in Lala land then please leave me be!


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 12:18:31

Moolaa

 

The last four tests were no measure to measure the forward - and especially tight five issue.  The Dunedin test - the AB had 40% possession - and dear Morne Steyn buggered up badly with the Springboks 60%.   The Eden Park test was a referee farce.

 

In both the Soweto test and the Ellis Park tests the possession stats were basically the same as was the case at Dunedin.   The main reason helping the AB's to won was not their possession - but horribly  poor defence by the Springboks.  Poor defence more than anything else helped the AB's to win both matches.

 

The AB's has wonderful and exceptionally gifted loosies - their tight five is their weak link.   If they had decent tight five players - who can deliver a 50% possession to them - they will not ever have to worry about losing.  

 

On the whole there are signs that even McCaw is deteriorating and that would present problems for them.   Their main worry remains - there are in Super 15 at present no substantial tight five players coming through

 

 

 

  


Ceradyne

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 13, 2013, 13:32:37
 When dear Morne left the field in the Dunedin test the score were level at 8 each.......


moolaa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 01:23:50
 Mike, you keep harping on about the Boks' poor defence as the only reason you have lost all these tests. The missed tackles are due to incessant pressure by the ABs tight five in being able to knock over their opposites, drive them back and get good front foot ball the backs can run with. Possession means stuff all when you can't do anything with it so those % stats are totally misleading when you talk about dominance. Our boys know that their aggressive defence will snuff out nearly all the Boks' attacks and are content to wait for an error they can counter attack from.


Shezza

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 01:29:43
 Loosies carry the ball the ball and tackle the most of any position, tight five's main priority is the set piece.


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 04:59:06

 Ceradyne

 

This really senseless thing that try and make contributions on this site.  The brainless twit his missed out on the game as per normal.   How many kicks at goal did he miss before he left.   My memory said 5  - that represents 17 points does it not?   Should have been way ahead - when piss poor Morne left the field - not level -  the Springboks should have ben ahead by at leas 12 points.

 

According to this one Morne is the king of flyhalfs - more likely the king of [removed] rugby  - but what else can one expect from this sheister?

 

      

 

 


moolaa

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 05:05:19
 Bit difficult to get 17 points from 5 kicks Mike!!


mozart

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 05:34:16
Moola you can't be serious, you prefer one of the Whitelock clones, Jaws and a guy who was named for a cheese?


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 05:36:29

Moola

 

Sorry - clueless Morne missed a try conversion and four penalties and Fat Frans 1.  


Ceradyne

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 10:26:44
 
set piece.


clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 04:59:06

 Ceradyne

 

This really senseless thing that try and make contributions on this site.  The brainless twit his missed out on the game as per normal.   How many kicks at goal did he miss before he left.   My memory said 5  - that represents 17 points does it not?   Should have been way ahead - when piss poor Morne left the field - not level -  the Springboks should have ben ahead by at leas 12 points.

 

According to this one Morne is the king of flyhalfs - more likely the king of [removed] rugby  - but what else can one expect from this sheister?



Jaaaa ou Maaikie.The moment you get the short end  of the stick, your Tourette problem starts kicking in. You and [removed] have the same problem. Swearing and insults is not a form of debate. It is a sign of a weak mind.

You have forgotten what the "old" argument was in that test at the time. You were saying that the missed kicks were a  minor part of Steyn's weak display in that test. His general poor play was your problem with him on the day. You then went ahead and said that when Johan Goosen came on, he improved the situation and we started coming back into the game. That was the basis of your argument at the time. I then showed you that the scored were level when Goosen came on, and that we lost the game after that. Are you starting to remember now, or have you buried that story soi deep that you can never retrieve it again?

You have been caught out with your bull[removed] "facts" so many times that I do not even understand why you still try.

Have you found the game where Bakkies got carded yet? Let me help you out. I know which one it is but it was not recently and not in the current season in any case. He was also not the one who started it, he retaliated to having his eyes punched open while on the ground on his back. Both he and the player who started punching him  were carded.




clevermike

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 12:23:24

 Ceradyne

 

Let me quote you and put the real issue in perspect:-

 

"You were saying that the missed kicks were a  minor part of Steyn's weak display in that test".

 

First of all it is an outright lie and secondly it is putting issue out of perspective.   Morne's missed kicks at goal was one issue - his rubbish display in the same game was another.   Aimless kicking - his normal deficiency also was destructively poor and even the commentators describe then as bull[removed].  

 

Morne through the years was always bull[removed] - he was useless as a pivot and when his goal kicking game deserted him last year - he was dead as a doornail insofar as flyhalf performances were concerned.   He was better this year at kicking at goal - the rest of his game was his standard bulll[removed] - but for key games, like the Super 15 semi - where his goal kicking game (50% success rate) collapsed again and his one relieving kick was so poor - it gifted the Brumbies their winning try.   In the  Ellis Park test he was the great destroyer of the hopes of the Springboks - whether you like it or not.

 

The French club can have him - they would soon enough find out they are paying good money for a poor product.

 


Sun-Tzu

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 12:30:35
Calm yourselves! It is not yet time to proclaim anything yet we hear talk of the best combination that at present doesn't yet exist. Through the course of time we will see exactly who is who, but the wise are prudent and wait cautiously before giving endorsement to anything. The lad has promise, that I agree, but he has done nothing to suggest that he will ever be in the class of Bakkies and Matfield. Even young Eben will most likely live in their shadows until the close of his career. When we have a lock pair that strikes fear into the enemy, then I will believe it.


Ceradyne

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 12:48:43
 Your bias is showing. Opinionated BS is all that you have here. You are trying to twist out of this again, just like you normally do when you are caught out. Let me remind you of something. When you I told you that the scores, in that game, were level you immediately disputed it. I then  provided a link to the where you could find a time-line of the game and  yoy acknowledged that the scores were in fact level at the time.

The entire team was "BS" last year and looks a lot different this year. Your SOP was to  start a thread solely blaming MS for our losses. Then start another one laying the blame with Hougaardt. Then you would start one blaming the loose forwards. Then you would have one blaming Francois Steyn. You never ever started a thread looking at the entire situation as a whole. Your problem is that you typically look for someone to blame. You write these lengthy essays of BS to explain your blame game but you are to thick  to look at the bigger total picture. You did not realise that there was almost nothing left of a great Bok side and that HM had to start somewhere. He had to almost start over. He has lost more than 50% experience in the form of total number of caps for the teams that he could select. His forwards did not fire from the word  go. The players that he would have liked to play just were not available. Burger was  injured, Vermeulen was injured, etc, etc. He had to make do with what he had and the best to do in that situation was to start with what he knew and what was familiar. He made no secret of his plans for the way forward. In the process we had an uphill battle.

The forwards did not really work because he had to use what he had. Because the forwards did not work out as we would have liked, everything snowballed down the line. Hougaard was  under pressure because the forwards were under pressure. That put pressure on MS. The centres also did not do much with what they got. The ball didn't get to the wings, etc,etc, etc. Towards the end of the year when the forwards started coming right and the loosies improved and became established things started to fall  into place. We are almost light-years away from where we were in June 2012 but you are still beating the same boring monotonous drum and blaming your favourite scape-goats. You do not have a single positive bone in your body. You have a miserable  negative outlook on rugby and  probably life in general. [removed]  it, you must have been hurt somewhere along the line or at some stage in your life to be carrying so  much negativity with you.




Sun-Tzu

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RE: Pieter Steph DuToit
November 14, 2013, 12:52:32
 Ceradyne, I like how you think. Your finger is right on the pulse.


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