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Saffex

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Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 16:36:45

Fourie was always going to flop at 13, that was a given.......I can't say I thought JP would be so out of sorts as well, given it was not that long ago that we lost him to Japan.



Lets hope Meyer wakes up against Scotland and we return to a merit Bok side.....well as merit as possible given the squad.



Fourie was rubbish and has to go, JP is not fit enough but our options are limited so he will just need to dig deep. Time to give Kolisi a start and I would have pushed for Steph du Toit to start but given how good Flip was, he deserves to stay in the starting side.



The side to play Scotland should be:



15. Willie 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Jean 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. du Preez 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Flip 6. Kolisi 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen


16. Strauss 17. Adriaanse 18. Coenie 19. Steph du Toit 20. Coetzee 21. Schrauder 22. Goosen 23. Serfontein



hakwa

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 16:50:09
 that was a close Test Saffex - wonder what the result would have been had the ref penalised Fourie for being offside on the kick chase.

I thought your Boks Team defended very well though - they put massive hits on the Welsh and good to see the smirks wiped off the Welsh players faces especially after the drubbing they gave the Wallabies on the Lions tour:).

I like the look of your Team.


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 16:54:05
 Jy bedoel die een met Lambie op 10. Ja, hy was nogal kak né!


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 16:59:53
Yeah Hakwa, it was a close call and our forwards out muscled the Welsh. Alberts was huge in the tackles and came to the party for a change.


Our backs need some tweaking.......JJ and Willie have to start


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 17:07:08

JJ would never have created that try Fury did in a 100 tests. He had a typical 10 minutes on the park:

 

W)Engelbrecht0/000/0/000000 0/00/000/0


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 17:13:44
Oh yeah it was brilliant, a simple pop up pass.......wow, lets retain the carthorse because he popped a ball up into a supporting players hands.......not to mention the fact that he had to be off side in order to get there in the first place.


Ah yeah JJ was on the field for all of 10 min and out of position on the wing, where he never had a single ball come his way.


I prefer the Kiwi test stats.........stats with clout.......what was it 97 m run, 4 defenders beaten, 1 clean break.


Yeah Moz it makes perfect sense that we stick with Fourie because of that pop pass...........bwhahaaaaaa


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 17:23:05
And this from the wonderful Fourie who was on the park for all 80 min:


ZERO metres run, ZERO defenders beaten and ZERO clean breaks.......wow just want we want from our test 13..........not to mention the ease with which Davies slipped past him.

Wow how can a test 13 not gain a single metre all test????






mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 18:41:17

How can a test 13 not gain a metre? I dunno, I never rated the guy. But he is better than JJ. Why? Because he can operate in tight spaces. JJ needs space and he will rarely get it in test rugby. Which is why we will see him occasionaly pull off a run and use his pace to beat a few defenders.....but generally he will be shackled in tight space, with his weak defence being his definining feature.

 

You are onto a loser here Dave....best bet is he plays wing.


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 20:43:03
So let me get this straight, JJ needs space to operate in? I think you are confusing him with little man de Jongh.


Ok so there was mounds of space when JJ beat Savea was there? I think not, for it was a one on one where JJ beat him with sheer skill....it was the best bit of attacking skill we have seen from a Bok 13 in years, not months, years.


In the same test he beat Cruden in traffic with a step......there was no space........and the crowing with regards to lack of space was his run straight through Conrad Smith.


Sorry Moz but the notion that JJ needs space to operate in was put to bed in that last test against the Kiwi's......not that there were any doubts.


As for the crap about his defence, well that to was put to bed after his defensive display in two tests against the best side in the game......there is no better confirmation than 12 tackles made and 1 missed in two tests against the Kiwi's. A poor defender would not be able to boast those kind of defensive stats.


Fourie was exposed for an old man with no pace, I said as much before the test.....the only question that now remains is whether Meyer is still stupid enough to select him again.






clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 21:07:11

Mozart

 

One thing became clear to me yesterday and that is that Fourie is not the answer at 13.   He is way too slow in pace to make a constructive contribution.  The only thing that he did well yesterday - his ball recovery and pass to Du Preez - would never have been occurred if he was onside and two meters back from where he was before Du Preez's kick.  You cannot assess that kind of thing as a positive in the hope that a referee would let off-side play go unpunished. 

 

For the rest he contributed nothing to defence and allowed Davies to run past him without even attempting to make a tackle on a number of occasions and he contributed nothing to attack as well.  

 

By the way that 10 minutes stats of Engelbrecht yesterday reminded me strangely enough of the stats of De Jongh - when he was on the field of play for 80 minutes in the Twickenham test last year both had zero's aplenty.    

 

Based on his performance yesterday I do not think Fourie is the answer at 13.   I do not think that Engelbrecht is not necessarily either - even though in a way as a result of his speed advantage he is better than Fourie.   The only thing one can hope for that the Super 15 next year will show us the way forward insofar as selection of a 13 is concerned.

 

Your opinion on the matter - please.     


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 21:55:18
Mike catch a wake up, JJ is the obvious choice at 13, what more do you want in a Bok 13......did you miss the last AB test????


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 22:08:21

Saffex

 

You cannot judge a player on only one test or any given other match - and not based on one incident only during such a match.   Engelbrcht was good in some games - not so good in others.   

 

Where I agree with you is that he is a better option than Fourie and De Jongh  - but every 13 in the Suoer 15 franchise teams  is, so that is not a real reason for his selection.   I still have some doubts whether he is necessarily the only option at 13, but Super 15 next year will provide greater clarity on the issue. 


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 22:18:26
There was not one incident in that test, there were a number.......just as there were in others like his setting up of Kirchners try against Oz or his great try against Samoa......not to mention 4 tries in 9 tests.


There is no 13 in SA that is even close to JJ......he had a solid year for the Boks at 13, culminating in a great game against the Kiwi's.


Good old Meyer rewarded this form by dropping him to the bench for donkey Fourie......talk about pathetic player management.......sadly Meyer is now singing Fourie's praises following the du Preez try........according the Meyer......Fourie and du Preez won us the game.........how stupid is Meyer, especially considering Fourie was off side!!


Good old Meyer saving his blushes by praising the experience of the Jap based players - what a joke.......he must think we are real fools.......Fourie and JP were piss poor yesterday and no amount of arse licking, face saving praise from the coach will change that fact


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 22:32:19

Saffex

 

I do not read much into Meyer's praise singing in this case - he knew he was queried about his selection of the Japanese club players and wanted to dig himself out of a hole by referring to that incident in the game yesterday as justification for his selection.  

 

His subsequent selections is likely not to be in line with his utterances yesterday.   I think he experimented with Fourie and JP and came short in those cases    He would probably look at their actual performances and based his future selections on the reality of the situation and not utterances done to protect his own image.  

 

He is keeping on with Morne in the faint hope that Morne will somehow show something in future - but he is onto a dead duck as well in his case.   Morne will always be Morne - a serious flop at flyhalf as Sasue pointed out earlier.  One-dimensional and a poor ball player with no ball sense. 


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 22:35:57
No Mike, Meyer does the opposite of what we think he should be doing......he dropped JJ and Willie, two of our best attacking players.


Given how poor JP and Fourie were, we would expect Meyer to drop these two - he wont, we will see them line up against Scotland.


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 22:57:49

 Saffex

 

Three things - so lets deal with those.

 

He may play Fourie and JP again - but they will fail again and again - so ultimately he would be forced to forget about them.   I think the Japanese Club game environment does not promote anything near to test level physical fitness at all.   There is still some hope that Pietersen will realize that he is onto a bad thing - he is young enough to still make a recovery, but I think the case of Fourie is hopeless - he is way past it to make any recovery at all.    Pietersen will play in some Super 15 games for the Sharks next year and e shall see then whether he can recover from the Japanese club deficiencies.

 

Meyer is likely to find out his mistake in dealing with the Japanese club players - like he found out about his mistake in calling up Steenkamo and retaining Kirchner and Kruger for way too long in the Springbok squad.   Bloody-mindedless does not pay and he will be bitten by that sooner rather than later.

 

Mozart has attacked Engelbrecht about lack of performance yesterday as if he came on as a 13 - but he is conveniently or deliberately hiding  the fact that Engelbrecht came onto the field as a wing replacement - and not in the no 13 position and he never saw the ball for the 10 minutes he actually played.

 

 

   


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 23:03:33

Dave I hate to remind you of this but you were the big no space for centres guy. If there is no space...and I think that's fairly close to the truth....you need a guy who can keep his feet and offload. Or a guy like Jean who regularly steps through tackles. Not a guy like JJ who tries to beat Nonu, gets taken down and then stripped by Read, leading to the crucial NZ try.

 

JJ is a poor runner in traffic...he is a wing.


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 10, 2013, 23:14:11
Nonsense Moz, JJ is a big physical lad and therefore has no issue in space at all......JJ stepped through Smith's tackle both at test and S15 level for example. Nothing wrong with his work in traffic.


The Nonu and Read passage of play had nothing to do with being taken down in traffic.......JJ stepped Cruden, got past Nonu, but Nonu made enough contact to cause JJ to fall down while flying past him.......Read jumped on top of JJ on the ground, then got up to effect the turnover at the same time Kolisi made contact with Read.


JJ proved all year that he is a quality centre and set the standard in the last test against the AB's.......JJ was a wing, he is now by far our best 13......we saw Fourie try make a come back, but that was a little embarrassing.


Boklogic

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 08:05:36
 Yep, JJ is a big physical lad. I really enjoyed seeing him smash Barrett back with his size and physicality and keep us in the RC...Delusional as ever is our friend saff man!

Fourie will get sharper. I agree with Mike though, we are in desperate need of a long term answer. It would be Fourie if he was still playing super rugby but this Japanese shit is killing the players.

Hopefully one of the youngsters come thru next year..We tried JJ..I was hoping it would be him but unfortunately we have us a dud 13 there.. Simply no deft touches or skill and lets not get started on his amazing defensive capabilities!


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 09:06:07
 Without JJ and Willie our attack suffers hugely. Willie played a great game on Saturday.

JJ's defence is improving. I really didnt see anything about Jaque's play that inspired one. Play JJ against Scotland and lets see him go.

Team I would like to see for Saturday:

15. Willie 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Jean 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. du Preez 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Malherbe 4. Marcell 7. Louw 8. Vermeulen. Who to play at lock?


16. Strauss 17. Adriaanse 18. Coenie 19. lock?. Alberts 21. Pienaar 22. Goosen 23. Serfontein


One needs to see what Bakkies has? Etzebeth can have a break to keep him fresh? Kolisi is not anyhwere near test class right now and neither is Schreuder - rediculous that these two are on tour.



Beeno1

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 09:07:14
 Without JJ and Willie our attack suffers hugely. Willie played a great game on Saturday.

JJ's defence is improving. I really didnt see anything about Jaque's play that inspired one. Play JJ against Scotland and lets see him go.

Team I would like to see for Saturday:

15. Willie 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Jean 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. du Preez 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Malherbe 4. Marcell 7. Louw 8. Vermeulen. Who to play at lock?


16. Strauss 17. Adriaanse 18. Coenie 19. lock?. Alberts 21. Pienaar 22. Goosen 23. Serfontein


One needs to see what Bakkies has? Etzebeth can have a break to keep him fresh? Kolisi is not anyhwere near test class right now and neither is Schreuder - rediculous that these two are on tour.



CleanCut

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 09:29:01
 
It wasn't a flop at all Stupid.

It was a roaring success.

We can now confirm that JJ is a child in need of a LOT OF WORK. In fact he should by rights be replaced as soon as possible. Not test match material I'm afraid.

We also saw that Jaque was the right choice. He made an enormous difference. 

So I repeat ... a roaring success.

Lambie should be given a run at 10 with Willie at 15.

Other than that all that needs work is the bench.

Goooooooo Meyer!!!!!!!


 


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 10:04:08

 Beeno

 

I have a couple of problems with your above team.   As you rightly pointed out Fourie showed nothing on Saturday and to be quite frank neither did JP either.  The Japanese club environment had a serious negative impact on their performances.

 

However, it is not entirely fair to judge players on one game only - both were not test ready and both suffered from lack of realistic mobility.  Bearing in mind the above and also that Scotland is not a strong team - I think they should give the two players concerned another chance this coming weekend.  If they fail again - Meyer should forget about them while they are playing touch rugby in Japan.  They can have a look again at Pietersen in Super 15 next year when he will play for the Sharks - but if he is in the same shocking condition as he was on Saturday - he was very much like Francois Steyn on his return from France - he may yet see an early end to his illustrious career and will be well-advised to train more and use the gym more to get into and stay in shape.   Against France those two in the form they displayed on Saturday will be a disaster.

 

I have no other problem with the backline you propose.  Insofar as the forwards are concerned I think that since Meyer wants to experiment with Bakkies - he should play Bakkies at lock on Saturday and would seriously consider partnering him with Du Tout - giving Etzebeth a rest (he was a bit tired-looking on Saturday and can do with a rest) and put Van der Merwe on the bench.   Either that or start with Van der Merwe and Du Toit and put the rugby geriatric on the bench.  Forty minutes by Bakkies will be enough to see whether he would still be a feasible proposition something I have serious reservations about.   After all the elderly (Steenkamp  and  Fourie) have shown that they are not up to it - so why should Bakkeies show any f=difference in the trend.  

 

So my team would be-

 

15 Willie,  14  JP,  13 Fourie,  12  Jean,  11. Habana,   10  Lambie,  9  Du Preez,   8. Vermeulen,  7 Marcell,  6   Louw.   5  Van der Merwe, 4.  Du Toit,   3. Malherbe, 2 Strauss, 1  Beast 

 

Replacements

16. Bismmarck,   17  Adriaanse,  18  Coenie,   19 Botha, 20 Kolisi, 21 Pienaar,  22 Goosen,  23 Serfontein

 

Kolisi for BEE purposes.

 

If Fourie and JP fails again - then against France bring in JJ at 13 and put Serfontein on the bench.     

 

  

 

 

 

   


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 17:14:09
 stock photo of pig head  - Funny pig on sawdust - JPG


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 17:56:18
 Scotland is a real threat. We haven't had an easy Scot game since 2004! They beat us in 2010 to boot and gave us a torrid game this very year.


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 19:55:20
 I don't think Fourie or JP are fit enough to play test rugby, we got exposed by the Kiwis on how poor some players physical conditioning are. I don't buy it that backline players have to be over 100kg either. NZ only has two back line players over 100 kg and they are Savea and Nonu. The rest are around 1,86 cm and 92kg average.

JJ is not the complete 13 just yet but he sure is better than Jacque Fourie at the moment. The only time I notice that Jacque Fourie was on the field was when he missed a crucial tackle at the beginning and the pass off a lucky bounce from Du Preez kick. He was nowhere for the rest of the game.

The only backline players making a difference for the boks at the moment are Jean de Villiers and Habana. Habana showed once more what a threat he is in space and with 5 defenders in front of him he managed to pick the slowest defender and beat him and North who is no slouch, not to mention his perfect offload to Bismark with Jean in Support.

I expected Fourie to smash holes through the welsh defence.

Test rugby is no place to play players into form. It is really grinding on me that we have these expats playing for us when they are out of shape. Jean has done great for us this year but he is hanging in there by a thread. Against the Kiwis he managed to get a brilliant try but then conceded a try 5 min later because he just didn't have the fitness to recover enough and make a crucial tackle

Pick your best and fittest team, if Meyer wants to play these guys then he should play them off the bench. Create competition within the squad and let these guys earn their way back.

Players such as Jean, Habana, Fourie Du Preez needs to be managed in the same why Mccaw and Carter are managed by the all blacks. We simply do not have enough quality 9’s, wingers or centers around. De Allende and Serfontein are work in progress and probably a season or two away from test rugby. Then we have a real lack out wide, Mvovo has pace but he has no x-factor. Rhule has gone off the boil, so I don’t see any other young wingers putting up their hands.

I really like van der heever and thought that when he was at the bulls that he would play for the boks but being at WP really damaged his development.

Taute has potential but if you look at what we have available with all the injuries, I’m really worried that we just don’t seem to have enough depth in key positions and that we have a lot of potential but no players ready for test rugby.

So what should we do, I say give the youngsters a crack. No point in wasting their development time with former players that have had their time or journeyman that has no long term prospects.

Pick Senior Players that will be around for at least 2 years and a core group of players that we can invest in over the next 4 years.

Against Scotland I would play

1 Coenie (Beast)
2 Bismark (Strauss)
3 Malherbe (Adriaanse)
4 Estebeth (Flip)
5 PSDT
6 Coetzee
7 Kolisi (Alberts)
8 Vermeulen
9 Fourie Du Preez (Pienaar)
10 Lambie – (Goosen)
11 Habana
12 Serfontein (De Villiers)
13 JJ
14 JP (Best of the worst)
15 Willie


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 20:12:10

 'Jean has done great for us this year but he is hanging in there by a thread. Against the Kiwis he managed to get a brilliant try but then conceded a try 5 min later because he just didn't have the fitness to recover enough and make a crucial tackle"

 

 

Rubbish Corn, absolute Tommy Rot. Jean rushed up to try and pin Barrett behind the advantage line....it was an offensive tackle attempt to reverse field advantage. Barrett eluded him coming forward, it had zero to do with fitness, speed or any other capacity.


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 23:00:31
 Yes Mozart, I can see why most people on here have a go at you. 

Tired players make dumb decisions. I just looked at that try again and yes, he was scrambling and didn't know whether to hold line or rush up, hardly had any players in the line and took the chance. If he was fitter he would have kept his cool and not panicked.


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 23:09:07
Dream on Corn I can see why no posters have a go at you, it's too easy. 


Saffex

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 11, 2013, 23:38:19
Like your side Corn, except Kolisi is the openside at 6 and Coetzee is the blindside at 7. However if I was playing that trio.......I'd play Coetzee at 8 and Vermeulen at 7.


kingcorn

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 10:37:09
I know kolisi has been playing 6 for the last couple of seasons but he actually played at 7 for wp before his super debut, he was fantastic with his running lines and believe that he is better than Coetzee at 7. Coetzee covers a lot of ground and believe that he is better at 6. That said, all three players are versatile enough. Which means we can shuffle them around to keep teams guessing. You're a coach saff, surely certain players must get marked rather than just zone defence.
 


CleanCut

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 11:04:37
 
Kolisi isn't an openside flank juyst as Coetzee isn't an 8th man.

Playing jack of all trades is highly risky.

Rather go for the specialist in each position and put the jack of all trades on the bench if you must have one, to cover more than one position. 



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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 14:02:20

 Mozart

 

I just saw that you posted another pig photo.  I always sympathize with sick people - but more se with you and your pigshit on the brain disease.   Hope they find a remedy for that one soon.   I wish you well and look forward to recovery on your part. 


CleanCut

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 14:32:35
 
Let's face it Mike ... he does have a point though.

Your posts these last few months have really been poor.

Repetitive, long winded, negative, opinionated, fabricated, non factual, twisted, full of lies, repetitive.

One would swear you're new to the game. That you don't even have the basics down.

You argue for arguments sake.

Really bad form.

Shit for brains, Mike!! Shit for brains!!!!!!!!!!!!





clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 15:02:42

Clean Cut

 

OK - I grant you the fact that I am long-winded in too many cases - but facts are basically always distorted by some posters - Mozart being one - and it makes me very mad to have to repeat everything over and over again to prove how wrong they are. 

 

There is one thing I am not and that is negative.  I see some minor merits in for instance Engelbrecht's case - but recognise the more serious negatives as well.   Where I am negative is where I cannot find any positives in player performance and they still are in the Springbok team.   That is where my main differences with you and other posters are - I look and recognise the positives and the same with the negatives and weigh them up against each other - before expressing an opinion.  

 

I do not fabricate lies and take note of every occurrence on the field of play and note the negatives and the positives.   If need be I checked the stats on matches after I have written comments on players to confirm or deny my personal impressions  in  cases of serious counter-arguments.  Often enough the negatives of a player in games are ignored totally and a cloud 9 picture of benevolent performances are given as the only side of the player performance.  Anyway I often enough accept that my impressions are wrong and in that I am not pig-headed as Mozart implies.

 

I mostly do not get carried away by my likes or dislikes of players - bar perhaps my dislike for Alberts :D - but I always remain steadfast in what I think the issues are.   OK - I know we differ on some players - and markedly so - but I am always surprised in how many cases we actually are in agreement.

 

I will never put Alberts in my fantasy sport selections and thank heavens Morne will not be involved in future - every time I put him in - the bugger flopped and I ended up poorly.  Rather Labuschagne for me in the next Super 15 - he is my back row banker.  :D:D:D         


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 18:18:41

 

 

The OOM spotting more young talent


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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 19:38:56
 Yeah right ou Maaikie. You say:

"I do not fabricate lies and take note of every occurrence on the field of play and note the negatives and the positives.   If need be I checked the stats on matches after I have written comments on players to confirm or deny my personal impressions  in  cases of serious counter-arguments."

Then somewhere hidden down in the Cricket Forum  we find these  pearls of wisdom:

"Amla should not open in ODI's - he should come in at 3.  Scoring ratio very good  - but he was clean-bowled by a yorker and would have been better at 3."

You are then reminded that Amla has opened in 72 of his 74 ODIs.

Your next step is to back-track with:

"OK - play him as an opener - I have no argument with that. In recent ODI's Amla was often enough used at 3 with Pietersen and Smith the openers."

....to which you were told that:

"The only two times that Amla ever batted at three, in ODIs, was in his first two ODIs in 2008 against Bangladesh in Bangladesh................"

And since that, you have been as silent as the grave.


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 19:43:14

 Mozart

 

Have you lost your senses completely?   Posting of the pig photos are childish and totally senseless.   It give an impression that you are besotted with pigs and it really is a bad reflection on your ability to debate anything on a rational basis,   There is no reasonable grounds that support some of you statements and when caught out - you become totally irrational.

 

You are apparently delusional and believe your pig photos are clever and funny - but I doubt whether any rational member would find in them anything other than rank stupidity on your part.

 

Please - if people differ with you and give examples - remain logical in debate and don't become childish.      


Rooinek

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 19:57:25
Ou Maaik, you know you've won the contest when the other guy is reduced to posting infantile little pictures as his only response. I'd call that game, set and match to ou Maaik!

I see you're asking Moffie not to become childish but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. It's about as pointless as asking him to stop lying through his rotting yellow teeth.

Frankly I'm surprised you've tolerated his stupidity, his lies and his childishness for as long as you have. I just don't bother anymore . . . not that it stops him from whining and squealing for my attention in the most pathetic and embarrassing manner imaginable . . . but you obviously have more patience than me.

Keep schooling the pompous and deceitful old windbag. 


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:00:55
 Nah the shoe fits. I give a toss if you or anybody else doesn't care for the images. You are a pig headed loud mouth, and as long as you continue in that vein, I will depict the inner you.


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:05:55
Say RIP have you got an answer yet for how Keo only gets to 1 per cent of SA rugby fans. Hahahaha. RIP and the OOm, the new partnership, easy pickings.


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:14:48

Mozart

Why am I pig headed an you are not?  After all you are the one that stated that once you have said something.  you will never admit you are wrong.   And being called a loud mouth when I differ from you does not help either.   If you think that everyone on this site is prepared to kow tow to you - you are wrong - I will never do that,   I will agree with you when you are right and disagree when I think you are wrong,   No amount of silly pictures will change that.  


mozart

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:26:03

So let's just go on.  But I'd like you to provide context for my supposed statement that I'd never admit I'm wrong. It's easy to just type something like that, but let's see you back it up.


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:34:25

Ceradyne

 

Welcome back - fossil brain,   I have barely written about Amla as an opening batsman when he opened in the last ODI and was out cheaply once again - that is it happened twice in the last three ODI's played - so I have justification that he should rather come in at 3 bearing in mind those 2 cases as  well as the seriously poor Sri Lanka series.   Their was no difference of opinion on that score until you come up with it - so why should I have checked those stats before?

 

Shitbrain - I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours - so go off to the WC and try to sneeze the shit out of your brain cavity

 

 


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 20:34:27

Sorry duplication

 

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 21:21:11
 What a load of hogwash. Two mishaps in his three of his last games and  you are ready to  discard him. How many ducks  has Jacques Kallis had and he has also been out cheaply in recent times. I suppose you would also want to start fucking him  around in the order as well? Better you stay away from  cricket, birdbrain.

Having said that, you have failed miserably in trying to hide your balls-up. Remember this:

"I do not fabricate lies and take note of every occurrence on the field of play and note the negatives and the positives.   If need be I checked the stats on matches after I have written comments on players to confirm or deny my personal impressions  in  cases of serious counter-arguments."

Well, are you going to deny that you have been talking kak about Amla's ODI batting position?


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 21:39:52

Ceradyne

 

Hell -even living in England makes you ultra-incapable of reading English - you even underline what I said - but do not comprehend what is meant.   I said I checked the stats IN CASES OF SERIOUS COUNTER-ARGUMENTS.

 

Until your posting - dumb thing - there were no serious other comments and if I really disagreed with you - I would have looked at the stats.

 

Hell - Beeno is right  you are windpomp - but I would rather say fart pump.       


Ceradyne

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 22:04:49
You have been fabricating bullshit about Amla, haven't you? Your remarks about Amla's batting position were proven to be bullshit and your MO, according to yourself  would be to check the facts/stats to confirm your position. Instead you just came  up  with more BS. How about that card for  dirty play against Bakkies? Found it yet, Birdbrain?


clevermike

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 22:20:52

Ceradyne

 

The only bullshitter on this site are you and your postings clearly reflect that.   I have NOT sheister "been fabricating bullshit about Amla".   I said I think he should bat at 3 - that does not entail fabricating of bullsht - it is a personal opinion.  

 

Still do not want to understand what I wrote - rat shit - so I give up on you.   Calling you a rat entails insulting of rats.   


Beeno1

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RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 22:28:48
 ou maaaikie never get drawn into windpomps endless trail of I said I didnt say etc.
If you do keep a copy of what was posted as ou windpomp is a slippery customer at best. His main delight looks to be to come here and have ago at you. Seems a pretty destructive agenda? 
Trust rthe good doctor will not be part of any attack pack ala ss board.


Just_win

Status: Senior player
Posts: 3159
RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 22:47:44
Ceradyne: fair warning!! Beeno will be pissed.

As you may have noticed Beeno has brain farts & for some reason cannot say kiwi without saying birdbrain. In fact it is now used as one word kiwi-birdbrain(s).

Kiwis have come to accept this with good humor but I believe he thinks he has a patent controlling the use of "birdbrain" so be prepared for fire & brimstone from Beeno ;)


Ceradyne

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Posts: 1956
RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 12, 2013, 23:23:44
 Ou Maaikie,

"The only bullshitter on this site are you and your postings clearly reflect that.   I have NOT sheister "been fabricating bullshit about Amla".   I said I think he should bat at 3 - that does not entail fabricating of bullsht - it is a personal opinion.  "

Did you or did you not, shiester (sic), first say that Amla "was often enough used at 3 with Peterson and Smith as openers"? Let me answer that for  you by quoting your own words. This was what you said: "In recent ODI's Amla was often enough used at 3 with Pietersen and Smith the openers."

Was the above true? No. Was it fabricated? Yes.

Conclusion: You are a bullshitting liar.

Now, can we get back to Bakkies being carded for dirty play? Oh wait. That is another bullshitting lie.


Just_win

Status: Senior player
Posts: 3159
RE: Lets hope Meyer's poor experiment is over
November 13, 2013, 00:39:18
Mozart: it is bad enough that you bait Mike with photos of protein on the hoof but what you are doing to poor protein deprived Beeno is unforgivable. :ermm:

Here he stands looking at those photos like a homeless street person looking at a stripper through the window & no hope of protein (or what ever else he has in mind) lol

Where is your humanity Mozart?? I ask you where is it?;)


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