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mozart

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Coenie ...a confused situation
October 17, 2013, 15:14:39

This weekend, rather than taking on the Beast....as we would expect from an aspirant Bok tighthead.....he is scrumming against Herbst. The spin would be, that's where the team needs him. But isn't it time to admit Coenie is always going to be a target at tighthead?

 

Even against the flaccid AB scrum things changed when Coenie replaced Jannie. In the NH I think we may find Coenie plays the Ben Alexander against the Lions role. So we are an injury to Jannie away from having real scrumming issues.

 

He needs to stay at loosehead where his inherent power has a better shot at manifesting itself. He could be quite destructive in a dominant scrum. My bet is though, Kitshoff is the better loosehead and also quite effective in general play.

 

What is less clear, is who our next tighthead may be.


Shezza

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 17, 2013, 18:31:47
 Kitshoff doesn't match Coenie out of the scrum. His constant dropping of balls in the Super 15 just goes to show that's he can't catch.


Saffex

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 18, 2013, 00:53:35
Moz I am yet to see the scrum against the AB's where things changed......kindly point the scrum out? Not to mention the fact that the Boks also subbed Bismark, the stronger scrummaging hooker and later useless Steenkamp replaced Beast. Its hardly the same scrum when Coenie comes on. But that aside, he has been fine at 3 and I am with Meyer on converting Coenie to 3 as we have Kitshoff coming through to replace Beast in the near future


Its been much the same when Coenie has moved from loosehead to tighthead for the Cheetahs all S15, he stood tall. I was impressed with him as at times he took the hit and literally through brute strength turned the tied on his opposite number.


The new scrum laws suite him as he can rely on his strength more......but he has plenty to learn at 3, but has done a good job to date. What is doing him no favours is changing him each week.




Saffex

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 18, 2013, 00:55:11
Shezz with all due respect, the primary role of a prop is to scrum and there is nothing wrong with Kitshoff's all round game, the lad is a class act


Wardad

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 18, 2013, 10:07:44
 I realy rate this young fella but why the shuffling from one side of the scrum to the other ? 


CleanCut

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 18, 2013, 13:09:13
 
Coenie is a very powerful man.

He struggled with the hit at 3 but seems to be a lot more comfortable with the new laws.

Still don't regard him as anything other than a plastered over loosehead.

Time for Malherbe to step up to the plate.


Saffex

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RE: Coenie ...a confused situation
October 18, 2013, 16:41:35
 Cancer, I thought is was Marcel v/d Merwe as your Bok 3 and Mellett as your 1 huh??


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