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hakwa

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Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 11:10:06

Straight out of rugby's believe it or not files come suggestions that Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw.

That's the spin Australian media are putting on recent statistics ahead of Saturday night's Bledisloe Cup clash in Dunedin. (more like putting a target on Cooper's back :P)

It sounds like a Tui advertisement but it seems the Wallabies are buying into it.

Numbers produced by FoxSports (Coopers cheerleaders led by head Cheerleader Phil Kearns :P), the Australian broadcaster of the Rugby Championship, reveal that Cooper's tackling during the tournament had an 84.4 per cent success rate, better than McCaw's 82.3 per cent.

Statistics can be twisted to suit any means but Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie is using them to instill confidence into Cooper who has a history of struggling against the All Blacks. 

Long regarded as a turnstile tackler, even to the extent that the Wallabies often shift him to fullback when they don't have the ball to avoid having him in the vulnerable 10 channel close to scrums, lineouts, rucks and mauls, McKenzie said Cooper's recent improvements had lifted his overall success rate in the test arena to 78 per cent. :D (everytime he tackles anything, Fox Commentary Team of Marty and Co do Mexican wave after Mexican wave)

"Quade's tackling at 78 per cent now and everyone talks about that (his perceived poor defence) but that's just the reality of it," McKenzie said. (u tell them Link :P)

"He's tackling at 78 per cent, which is a lot better than a lot of other players in both teams.  (did he just compare both Teams???? :D)

"If he's in the team Quade will do what we ask him to do."  (how about taking the ball to the line Quade?)

To register on the tackling statistics from the Rugby Championship, players needed to make at least 30 tackles.

Cooper made 38 tackles and he was also attributed with four ineffective tackles and three missed tackles. His 84.4 per cent success rate placed him fourth on the Wallabies list headed by Robb Simmons (91.8 per cent from 48 tackles). He would have finished sixth in the All Blacks ranks on a list headed by Sam Whitelock (94.3 per cent from 70 tackles). ??????????????? 

McCaw ranked seventh amongst the All Blacks with 51 tackles, 10 ineffective tackles and one missed tackle.

But McCaw, as an openside flanker, operates in a key defensive zone. He doesn't shirk anything that comes his way.

Cooper didn't start either of the Bledisloe Cup test losses that were part of the Rugby Championship with rookie Matt Toomua handed the No 10 jerseys in Sydney and Wellington.

Cooper is expected to get the nod for the dead rubber under the roof in Dunedin, something that won't worry the All Blacks given his chequered record against New Zealand.

:)

They'll also enjoy running at him should he stand his ground at first-five. :P

The Wallabies are coming off their best effort of the new era under McKenzie, a record 54-17 thumping of Argentina in Rosario.

And while the All Blacks have been lauded for their come-from-behind 38-27 win over South Africa in Johannesburg on the same weekend, the Wallabies believe the Springboks exposed New Zealand frailties early on which they hope to exploit.


clevermike

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 13:45:24

Hakwa

 

Lets throw in Morne Steyn also and compare his stats with those of Cooper.   Morne Steyn missed 19 tackles and made 45 in Super 15 - a missed tackle ratio of 22%.    I have always maintained that Cooper is a better all-round flyhalf than Steyn and the abo0ve stats confirmed it again.

 

Now back to McCaw - sorry, but he is missing more tackles than ever before. In the Ellis Park test he made 13 tackles - missing 5.   That is a 24,5% missed tackle ratio.   Reason - despite all the shouting and screaming of the AB fans - it is a sign of decline in his performances.


black adder

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 17:53:01

More BS from misinformation mike whose braincell is the only one showing the marked decline in performance...sorry mike must be dementia setting in or something.

 

At Ellis Richie McCaw was the top tackler with 15 tackles, seven assists and only three misses.

 Kieran Read was the next best with 13 tackles, six assists and two misses. Ma'a Nonu (11), Conrad Smith (11) and Aaron Smith (10) were also called upon to make plenty of tackles in this game.

 

No surprise that yet again McCaw was the top player for arrivals to the breakdown, being in the first three players on 34 occasions.

 He was well backed up by Sam Whitelock (23 arrivals), Tony Wood[removed] (15) and Brodie Retallick (14).

Clever mike i'm  still waiting for you to supply me the name of the player that out performed McCaw in these stats at Ellis park....can you please speed it up coz Christmas is coming...


clevermike

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 18:01:20

Blackadder

 

I always use the unbiased ESPN stats system - not the things dreamt up to cover for players like McCaw and others.   Go to ESPN scrum and see for yourself - if you do not believe me.

 

I am perfectly happy if the AB's are living in dreamland and do not want to see what is happening - so keep it up - it can only be to the benefit of the Springboks in future.

 

The name of the better player - there probably are 10 of those in both teams - but Read and Messam will suffice  since you ask for one better player - I give you 2.  


black adder

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 18:27:18
 Read what i wrote . I asked for the name of player that out performed McCaw in the stats i provided. Literacy is obviously not your strong point.


clevermike

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 19:57:59

Black Adder

 

I said I do not believe that your stats is from an unbiased source.  I believe in independent sources - like ESPN.  Write-ups on McCaw is always biased when it relates to a New Zealand source - hence my reluctance to accept those.   

 

Can you now understand my response now - but as I said - have fun with a declining McCaw - the longer he plays for the AB's the more beneficial it is for the Springboks.:D:D:D 

 


black adder

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 21:19:44

 Have fun with your declining brain capacity mike...here's the link to the Ellis park stats.

Provide me with your Ellis Park stats link won't you... 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11136786


clevermike

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 21:43:41

Blackadder

 

That is the LAST SOURCE  I would trust.   I saw that article before and was not convinced that it was not sale journalism.

 

I checked three independent sources - ESPN Scrum, Foxspport and Test Rugby.   ESPN and Foxsport had the same data - 13 successful tackles and 5 misses - Test Rugby had only 11 tackles - consequently 7 misses.   Those sources are enough for me.

 

Other than the 13 tackles made and 5 misses -  he scored only 2 further points as a loosie, in respect of the Foxsport Fantasy score card - since his total points were further reduced by a penalty he gave away and one possession loss.  That makes for 5 points in total - a reflection of a far below-par performance.    He may have been first to breakdowns - but what did he achieve in the process - very near to zero.

 

Sorry - as I said - the AB supporters may be happy with his performance - we in SA are too - but for entirely different reasons.  


redsman

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 16, 2013, 21:56:00
Course QC better tackler than OLD MAN MCCHEAT... Just hope the kiwis hang onto him for few more years.... Hooper by far better flanker not to mention po[removed] when he comes back gonna do the chew N SPITHILL on slow old mccheat 


hakwa

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RE: Quade Cooper is a better tackler than Richie McCaw
October 17, 2013, 10:02:10
 



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