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Beeno1

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Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 15, 2013, 21:29:21

Yes the man is back at center for the Sharks game against the Cheetahs much to the delight of the coach and captain who clearly recognise his class (See our home page).

My sincere hope is he shows what he has and shuts the mouths of the scoffers like ou maaaaike who took no acccount of how his injury affected his weight and performance.


Frans is still only 26 years old and so the best should still be to come.

Another serious concern for the abs to consider as the Boks step up to claim their traditional and rightful place as the number 1 team in the world next year.


Beeno as always letting the ab fans down gently so they can all the better cope with what is to come. They need soberly to accept their fate. No head in sand stuff please oaks.



Sharkbok

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 15, 2013, 21:41:21
 A fit Frans Steyn would be my favorite to start at fullback. 
Back to his best weight of around 105kg, and none of this 117kg fat Steyna version.
He is also solid at outside center, but tends to hog the ball at inside center


Beeno1

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October 15, 2013, 21:59:18
 Sharkbok a fit Frans Steyn will be a huge boost wherever he plays. I am sure he balloned out a bit because he could not train properly.
He has had a nice break from rugby and is apparantly raring to go.
More Bissie like tackles for the brittal abs to endure! Ouch!
Lambie is back at flyhalf. Zeilinga may need to move to Cheetahs who need a top notch flyhalf. I rate him. 


Just_win

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October 15, 2013, 22:15:11
Good to see Frans Steyn is back! He is a very talented player. 

Amazing how coaches have faith in returning players, according to the article he will start. Same for Cory Jane's return for the All Blacks.

Beeno: no worries from our side about Steyn's return.   However, I fear that vegetarian diet your wife has you on is seriously impairing your mental faculties. All these retro adjustments to the outcome of previous games against the Mighty All Blacks and wild unfounded predictions of beating us next year clearly indicate some deficiencies.

May I suggest you put some protein back in your diet! I believe you have a plentiful supply of Springboks running freely (and mindlessly) throughout South Africa (if this forum is any indication). ;) 

Glad to offer advice where I can Beeno, 

your mate Just_win (BFC):angel:




Beeno1

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October 15, 2013, 22:21:09
 JW my diet is just fine (though not too appetising) and my faculites a wonder to behold. hence my astute understanding as to where things stand.
Watch and learn!



Just_win

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October 15, 2013, 22:32:42
Beeno: did you notice that the gun you are twirling around alway ends up pointing at you, lol Not sure how much learning I prepared to risk if this is an example; 
JW (BFC) :angel:


clevermike

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October 15, 2013, 22:54:29

Beeno

 

Ever since Francois Steyn returned from France he was from a rugby perspective a disaster - fat and unfit.   We will see what happens on Saturday - whether he really got his weigh down to a reasonable level - whether he crashballs all the time and whether he has recovered some speed.  He was over the past 18 months anything but world class and he has a huge mountain to climb to get anywhere near that.   If he succeeds - fine - but I suspect his slow reactions and speed with a deficient ball sense may not produce positive results. 

 

However, good luck to him and I hope he gets to top form again.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 16, 2013, 00:18:54
@benno1 aka storminged,

i havent been anywhere near as critical of steyn as others except when im looking for cheap laughs, but these comments of urs,,,,

"My sincere hope is he shows what he has and shuts the mouths of the scoffers like ou maaaaike who took no acccount of how his injury affected his weight and performance."
dont be stupid brother beeno, its called a F-ing diet, a professional athlete who when injured and comes back that overweight has no one to blame but himself.
unless his injury forced him on a mcdonalds supersize me diet??? :blink:

weepu was in the exact same situation when he returned from injury grossly overweight.

"
Beeno as always letting the ab fans down gently so they can all the better cope with what is to come. They need soberly to accept their fate. No head in sand stuff please oaks."
but brother beeno, its so embarrassing being an All Black fan, we must bury our head in shame.
i mean in 2013 we have won 9 from 9 tests and have retained the,,,
dave gallaher cup
bledisloe cup
freedom spirit cup
RC/4nats trophy

ontop of that NZ have the spXV title
the 7s world series circut (mens and womens)
the 7s RWC
(mens and womens)

and the All Blacks are still undefeated in the RC/4nats, yet for the first time ever in ellis park, we conceded a RC/4nats championship point.
its impossible not to want to bury our head in the sand with the All Blacks playing sooooooo poorly, :'(


moolaa

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 16, 2013, 05:07:38

 Wow Sasu, talk about a king hit on a hapless Hasbeeno!!

He'll have a comeback though.......if only Morne had got all his kicks in Dunners!........etc


Just_win

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October 16, 2013, 07:21:25
Seems Beeno has under indulged re the protein section of the nutrition table (seriously impairing his reasoning). Springbok steaks are recommended barbecue flip emoticon No worries on that score though, Beeno is resilient & impervious to logic, king hits or facts so he will be just fine.

Frans has over indulged at all sections of the gluttons table. eating emoticon

But he fits the HM profile of the Beefy Bok so no worries on that count either. If he gets big enough Meyer may select him as a loosey, lol


clevermike

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October 16, 2013, 07:59:13

Beeno and Sasue

 

Lets get this straight.   About two years ago the French food supply system was in severe crisis.   They had two determined rugby players who tried to eat it all up - Gurthro Steenkamp and Francois Steyn.   Steyn got back on urgent request of the French Government - who could cope with one - but not two  gluttons.   In return  Meyer made a serious promise he would take Steenkamp back for two months a year at least - so as to allow for a recovery period for frogs and snails to happen.:D:D:D

 

When he came back he was weighing circa 118 kgs.  That presented some serious problems - for instance when he tried to kick balls his stomach got in the way and without being able to see his feet - the balls would roll along the ground as happened at least twice in the tests he played in.   He could not run without severe problems more than 10 meters at a time and used the sublime solution - when you get the ball just run into his first opponent and crashballed.   Then his ankle could not handle it all anymore and he was injured.:(:(

 

Coming back from injury Plumtree took one look at him - and saw that 118kgs would never do.   Back to a decent healthy diet with the aim to get his weight down to 106 kgs at least.   After three weeks he was down to 115 kgs - at last some progress made.   Within another 3 weeks after the start of Super 15 - he was back to 118 kgs and Plumtree lost his patience with him and put him on the bench using him sparingly.:'(:'(:'(

 

After his May injury - the gross overweight issue must have hit him hard - because he is according to latest info down to 110 kgs - still four kgs of fat - but at least not as gross as he was a year ago.  

 

I hope he is in fact down to 110 kgs and did some real speed training as well during the past five months.   If he is indeed 110 kgs and still as slow as he used to be - maybe he should move to no 8 and stop the idea of playing at center.   :angel::angel::angel:    


Saffex

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October 16, 2013, 22:38:46
Brilliant to see this class act straight back in the Sharks starting side in his best position. Jake and Venter know the value of this guy.


Its great to have Goosen, Frans and Steph du Toit back in time to make the EOYT


Just_win

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October 16, 2013, 22:45:29
Saffex: I hope Frans does well. I remember when I first saw him play, everyone knew he was a real talent. Not sure what happened to  him but  hope to see  him playing well again soon - just not against the ABs. It will be good to see Goosen back; I don't know much about du  Toit.


Saffex

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October 16, 2013, 23:00:34
Steph du Toit and Etzebeth will go down as a better lock pair than Bakkies and Matfield and that is saying something


Saffex

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 16, 2013, 23:17:51
Its safe to say Frans is not weighing 118kg






Saffex

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October 16, 2013, 23:21:58
 francois steyn sharks growthpoint kings park


clevermike

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October 16, 2013, 23:32:00

Saffex

 

Looks like the lard is gone according to the two photos - when were they taken? 


Saffex

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October 16, 2013, 23:34:46
 Sharks training session this week



Saffex

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October 16, 2013, 23:40:37
SP Marais is new to the Sharks......Frans, SP and Coetzee


marcell coetzee marais francois steyn sharks


clevermike

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October 17, 2013, 00:16:33

Saffex

 

Hope he does well - we will; see this weekend for a start.   I know White likes him - but hope he really is matchfit. 


Saffex

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October 17, 2013, 00:21:13
 He wont be match fit but at least he is back


CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 17, 2013, 11:11:26
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhh ... what's that I see wobbling under his chin .... can't be a second chin ... can it ?? ... nooooooooooo ... it's a third chinnn!!!!

As usual twisted horseshit from ol Stupid ... with the added excuse in case his favourite fatso fails ...


 


clevermike

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October 17, 2013, 11:26:34

Saffex

 

Looking at the combined photo - I still have reservations about Steyn's weight.  Coetzee weighs in at 106 kgs nowadays and Steyn looks definitely heavier than he is - even 110 kgs would mean all the fat is not gone.   However, we shall see on Saturday what he is at present. 


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bluebok

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 17, 2013, 12:27:33
 Steyn's issue is not his weight, it is his attitude. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt he will have shed his big head.


Denny

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October 17, 2013, 12:58:22
 Overrated.


bluebok

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October 17, 2013, 14:05:36
 Couldn't agree more Denny. 


Beeno1

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 17, 2013, 22:09:02
 Man what ignorance. So its okay for the Lions to field one wing of 112 kg another of 108kg and a center of 110 kg. SBW is also 110kg.
However Frans at 110 kg must be overweight. 
Like snapster I welcome him back and hopefully he is free from injury and will pick up steam in the weeks ahead. If he gets back to his from a few years back he is world class. 
I am also hoping Schalk Burger turns up the heat.
I note Deon Fourie retains the 6 jersey for Province and Kolisi moves to 7. Tells you who is the better 6 by a country mile. 



clevermike

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 17, 2013, 23:04:47

Beeno

 

 

There is more to it than weight.   Steyn had the worst performance year imaginable for a Springbok player - and it was not only due to his weight.   It had a lot to do with mindless playing (crashballing) lack of passing and tackling.   It could have been due to his weight at 118 kgs - and he may be down to 110 kgs.   For sportsmen their is a weight scale correlated with their height and Steyn's ideal playing weight is 105 - 106 kgs.  Be it as it may - he can prove that he belongs - but an automatic selection he is definitely not   

 

Burger is also an issue with me.  He Is 32 years of age - same as McCaw.   Do you really think at that age he would get back to top form - the form he had in 2011?   McCaw is showing serious signs of decline - what is different with Burger?   The first two games coming from the bench showed nothing of substance.   He will also have to prove that he is still worthy of selection - but it may be a bad move - taking into account that it would be a miracle if he would last to the WC in 2015.

 

However, I am looking forward to see what the two players can actually produce - but a CC semi and final is not enough and the real test will be in Super 15 next year.

 

By the way - I saw an article referring to De Allende as a possible squad selection by Meyer, because he is not too happy with Engelbrecht - or so the article implied.   Have you heard anything on that score.  


clevermike

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October 17, 2013, 23:04:48

Beeno

 

 

There is more to it than weight.   Steyn had the worst performance year imaginable for a Springbok player - and it was not only due to his weight.   It had a lot to do with mindless playing (crashballing) lack of passing and tackling.   It could have been due to his weight at 118 kgs - and he may be down to 110 kgs.   For sportsmen their is a weight scale correlated with their height and Steyn's ideal playing weight is 105 - 106 kgs.  Be it as it may - he can prove that he belongs - but an automatic selection he is definitely not   

 

Burger is also an issue with me.  He Is 32 years of age - same as McCaw.   Do you really think at that age he would get back to top form - the form he had in 2011?   McCaw is showing serious signs of decline - what is different with Burger?   The first two games coming from the bench showed nothing of substance.   He will also have to prove that he is still worthy of selection - but it may be a bad move - taking into account that it would be a miracle if he would last to the WC in 2015.

 

However, I am looking forward to see what the two players can actually produce - but a CC semi and final is not enough and the real test will be in Super 15 next year.

 

By the way - I saw an article referring to De Allende as a possible squad selection by Meyer, because he is not too happy with Engelbrecht - or so the article implied.   Have you heard anything on that score.  


CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 18, 2013, 13:00:52
 
That's right Beandip ... form he had a few YEARS AGO ... say like 6 years ago.

I fully agree.

If he returns to that level of play then I'm all for it. 

Till then, it's best he stick to his double macs with extra large soda drinks ...


Beeno1

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October 18, 2013, 20:40:26
 Mike apart from his illegal play wee mcaaaw was never much good. He is I think 33 now?

Here is Burger's info. Note he is 30. He has had a long rest. Nothing is cast in stone but lets see how he goes. He could have two good years left.



FULL NAMESchalk Willem Petrus
SURNAMEBurger
HEIGHT193 cm
WEIGHT110 Kg
BIRTH DATE13 April 1983
BIRTH PLACEPort Elizabeth
MARITIAL STATUSMarried
FAVOURITE FILMThe Hangover
FAVOURITE MUSICPrime Circle, Kings of Leon, aKing
FAVOURITE FOODSteak and chips
PRIMARY SCHOOLHugo Rust Primary, Wellington
SECONDARY SCHOOLPaarl Gymnasium
TERTIARY EDUCATIONUniversity of Stellenbosch
PLAYER WRITE-UP
Schalk Burger has been a stalwart of Springbok rugby since making his Test debut as a 20-year-old at the Rugby World Cup in 2003. A former IRB World Player of the Year (2004), this versatile loose forward was been in sublime form in 2010 and 2011, before a bad knee injury saw him miss the entire 2012 season (apart from the first few minutes of the Stormers' opening Vodacom Super Rugby match). Schalk is a natural leader, having captained the Stormers and Western Province. He has won the Rugby World Cup (2007) and two Castle Tri-Nations series (2004 and 2009) with the Boks. Along with his long-time flank partner Juan Smith, he holds record for most tries in Tests as a Springbok flank (11) and is also the most capped Springbok flank ever.

Position: Flank (66) No. 8 (2) 
Province: Western Province
Springbok number: 754 
Test debut: 24 September, 2003 vs Georgia in Sydney, aged 20 
Total tests: 68 
Tour matches: 0 
Total Springbok matches: 68 
Win ratio: 45-22-1 
Honours: SA Rugby Player of the Year (2004 & 2011); Young SA Rugby Player of the Year nominee (2003 & 2004); IRB Player of the Year (2004). 
Son of former Springbok lock, Schalk Burger Snr.


Beeno1

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 18, 2013, 20:54:53
 JW no need for concern as to where the gun is pointed. It always hits its target and that's what counts.


Beeno1

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October 18, 2013, 21:07:46
 Every player's career is marked by a series of different chapters. Frans Steyn's next one will be decisive, writes RYAN VREDE of Keo.

Steyn's prolonged injury lay-off couldn't have come at a better time for him. His power had waned to such a degree that he shouldn't have been commanding a place in the Sharks' starting XV in Super Rugby. Certainly he paled in comparison to Jean de Villiers, his main competition for the Springbok No 12 shirt. He looked every bit an impostor of the phenomenal player he is at his best. 

I hope that, during his period out of the game, he had the emotional maturity to honestly assess where his career stood. I hope he could see the complacency that bordered on indifference at times. I hope he looked in the mirror and felt contrite about the poor condition he had allowed his body – his prime asset – to descend into. I hope he realised that he had betrayed his immense talent.

I think he would have. Towards the end of last year I sat down with him for a chat in Cape Town. I've interviewed Steyn numerous times before, but there was something different about him on this occasion. He spoke with more honesty and maturity than ever before. Gone was the brash youngster who had previously sought to impose himself on the interviewer (this is rooted in his personal insecurities). When he took on individuals, like he did former coach Peter de Villiers, it was measured and not from a place of misplaced indignation, but because he had genuinely been wronged. Previously he had adopted a scatter-gun approach, downing anybody in his path with his verbal bullets. 

In informal chats with Jean de Villiers on the Springboks' 2012 end-of-year tour, he spoke about Steyn's observable maturity. Heyneke Meyer echoed those sentiments. Steyn, as a youngster, was difficult to deal with, whether you were a coach or team-mate. Now they were speaking of him in glowing terms.

Still, I was perplexed when John Plumtree named him skipper of the Sharks for the 2013 Super Rugby campaign. Steyn performs better when not shackled by that much responsibility. He isn't a natural leader of men. He is greatly respected as a fine player, but doesn't command the same degree of respect as a leader.

I suspect Plumtree will reflect on that decision as a poor one. It heaped pressure on Steyn at a phase of his career when he should have been focusing on recapturing the form that made him one of the game's most exciting prospects. Instead, he sunk deeper into a rut. He needed an escape and it came in the form of an injury.

I hope Steyn escaped to somewhere he enjoys being, kicked up his legs and sipped on a couple of beers. I hope he watched the Springboks play and I hope he deeply missed being part of that brotherhood. I hope he attacked his rehabilitation with rabid intensity. I hope he realises the importance of the next chapter.

Jake White managed to get the best out of Steyn as a teenager and will now be reunited with him at the Sharks. I look forward to watching Steyn develop under White, who he admires and respects greatly. White seems to understand Steyn and has a rapport with him that other coaches do not. He certainly won't accept poor standards of conditioning and performance, but he has a way of making Steyn want to excel in those areas, not forcing him to.

Lest we forget, Steyn is only 26. Twenty-six. Even at his worst he has moments that inspire, ones that remind us that below the surface lurks a player of the highest calibre. I'd like to see that player as the rule and not the exception. How about you?

Go Frans and show the world what you can do!


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October 18, 2013, 21:23:51
 Some more opinion to enlighten cc
By Gavin Rich of supersport

Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer clearly isn’t overjoyed that his players are back playing Currie Cup rugby when they should be resting, and the hand injury that may have ruled Jannie du Plessis out of the end of year tour has underlined the reasons for his concern.

There is little doubt that, with the semifinals likely to be highly physical, bruising games of rugby, Meyer will be sitting through the remaining 240 minutes of the domestic season with his heart in his mouth and wincing at every collision. With Willem Alberts also doubtful for the tour after the injury sustained against the All Blacks, he doesn’t need any more players ruled out.

However, rugby is about opportunity, and if Meyer looks at it another way there is also reason for him to be pleased that this country has such a tough domestic competition, and that the closing stages are going to be so intense and competitive. For it offers him an opportunity to assess the readiness of players he might like to use in a quest to grow his squad.

Western Province centre Damian de Allende is one player who can force Meyer to take notice with some strong performances in the play-offs, but he may be even more interested in this juncture at two more experienced men. For the knock-out phases of the Currie Cup are an ideal stage for two veterans of the 2007 World Cup win, Schalk Burger and Frans Steyn, to prove their readiness to be part of the trip to Wales, Scotland and France.

It might seem questionable to suggest Burger as a possible tourist when he has only played as a replacement for WP in the Currie Cup season, and only in the last few matches at that. But when he has been on the field he has proven that he has lost none of his old combativeness and physicality, and it is only a matter of time before he regains his mojo fully and is able to play at the highest level.

That moment could well come during the month of November, when the Boks are on tour, and as he is too valuable a player to ignore going forward, Meyer must be thinking seriously of selecting him as part of the group, particularly if Alberts can’t tour.

We have seen what Burger can do, and there has never been any questioning Burger’s focus and commitment on and off the field


Steyn, now 26 and no longer the precocious 19-year-old who first played for the Boks but by no means an old man in rugby terms, is a different story.

Although the Sharks inside centre returned from a stint playing club rugby in France with high expectations, and all the coaches he played for spoke about how he had matured and was less self-centreed in his approach, his second career in South Africa has failed to take off.

That is partially down to the injuries that have plagued him since he left France last June to return to his homeland. But also because his conditioning on his return just wasn’t up to scratch, and the Sharks’ former coach John Plumtree wasn’t the only South African mentor who has been left aghast at the lack of condition of backline players that return from France.

Considering that it was clear Steyn was carrying extra weight it was perhaps surprising that he was named as the Sharks’ captain when Keegan Daniel was injured at the start of the year. It was a move that didn’t work out simply because Steyn was too ponderous and lethargic to make any impact, and a brief switch of position to fullback didn’t help.

He had been dropped before he sustained the serious leg injury in Dunedin during Super Rugby that has effectively curtailed his rugby year and, but for a brief, ill-fated return that ended in further injury, kept him sidelined until now.

Those of us who haven’t seen Steyn in the flesh recently are going to be extremely interested to see him return to the field in Saturday’s Currie Cup semifinal against the Sharks. Clearly he must have worked hard on his conditioning and he must be sharp, for it would otherwise be a bold decision on the part of Brendan Venter and his Sharks coaches to throw him straight into an important play-off game.

There is no denying that an inform, sharp Steyn can bring immense value to the Boks. Apart from his physical presence at the gainline and his sublime ball skills and pace for such a big man, you also have to factor in his gifted kicking boot. The distance he can attain with both his field kicks and his shots at goal makes him a valuable weapon for any team, and with Pat Lambie playing alongside him, the No 10/No 12 axis could well be what helps the Sharks make up the gap on Cup favourites WP.

But we will have to wait and see what Steyn can bring, both in terms of his condition, which might tell us about his attitude, and his level of sharpness. If the Sharks advance to a final he will have a chance to gather momentum, and his presence should add considerable interest to these closing stages of the domestic competition. And no-one should be any more interested in Steyn’s performances than the national coach.

Here is hoping!


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October 18, 2013, 21:57:39

 Beeno

 

The semi in Durban will show nothing of substance that Meyer would be able to get anything from.   It has been raining continuously in Durban over the past two days and rain is also forecasted for tomorrow.   The field of play will be drenched - and it may be necessary to postpone the match if the present weather conditions prevail.

 

Be it as it may - ball handling will be a nightmare.  The game will be amongst the forwards and it is more likely than not that penalties will decide the outcome.   This will become a lottery ticket in such an event and he Sharks might even lose.


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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 18, 2013, 22:01:43
Beeno:  Ha ha another Beeno classic  :ermm: I really do enjoy your posts (even the ones about McCaw) but putting that aside for a minute. You clearly are deteriorating mentally at an alarming rate now Beeno. I offer some advice.

Try your local hospital for help (emoticon provided to aid communication & motivationSexy Nurse waving emoticon (Flirting emoticons) 


Also:


1. Cloudy may be persuaded to adapt her recipe to include Springboks. You might also grill the Springbok stake after marinating in lemons (Boklogic and Redsman are both bitter so they must have a good supply). I suggested this before but strangely you ignored me.:O


2. Wardad can provide motivation & encouragement – his tough love could work wonders. dope slap emoticon


3. Sasuke San will provide analysis.


4. Mozart (he is not a  kiwi but he is a good bloke anyway) might be persuaded to use his Mozscope to detect even the most minute progress - Clevermike might challenge the evidence bit don't let that worry you.  fighting with baseball bat emoticon


5. Hakwa will provide pictures & wit.


get well soon, please!!!!


PS how much do you think Oz will win by. I know you will not pick the Might All Blacks. Such is the poor mental state you are in.

Your mate Just_win (BFC):angel:






Just_win

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 18, 2013, 22:01:43
Beeno:  I hope you are right about the successful return of both Steyn and Burger.






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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 19, 2013, 12:49:37
Hang on JW I am not saying it will definitely succeed but it could and that will be a huge plus. We shall see waht happens.
Dont put extra pressure on saSUE  his is still analysing how to get out of his front door.
Warped dud needs plenty of straightening out. Indeed the only offer of help I would accept is a mean boil from Cloudy -no fat bread though as I need to keep fit for my tennis.  hungrysmileys


hakwa

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 19, 2013, 13:03:38
 


Just_win

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 19, 2013, 13:05:03
Beeno:  I have taken note of your prediction Therapist animated emoticon although I admit I find it hard to understand what you are saying most of the  time.

Glad you realize a changed diet might help but don't underestimate what Wardad dope slap emoticon and the others have to offer.


Beeno1

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 19, 2013, 13:58:49
 JW lets put it like this - if my diet depended on what ou warped dud had to offer I would be a dead man walking.smiley-with-glasses23


Just_win

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 19, 2013, 15:19:09
Beeno: yes Wardad's steady diet of head slaps might not be too good for the digestion :) 


Just_win

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 20, 2013, 08:45:32
 Interesting clip:


clevermike

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 20, 2013, 22:05:03

Beeno

 

Despite the hype Francois Steyn showed NOTHING  in Durban IN THE SEMI-FINAL. If anything he showed no improvement in his speed and he was not in any way effective in attack - was easily tackled when he tried to amble forward. 

 

Was not matchfit and despite the photos of Saffex - looks like he is still carrying extra bulk.   The Sharks took a chance with him - and when he showed zilch - he was replaced.   I do not think he will be in their starting line-up for the final.

 

Will have to wait till the Super 15 next year to see how he does on the field of play.  Present signs are not promising though.

 


CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 08:43:51
 

As expected, Fat Fransie Steyn is enormous. He looks to be carrying more weight now than when I last saw him.


Looks like he's klapping the brews ... six pack at a time. What a disgrace. A professional sportsman my eye. Very poor example for the youngsters to follow.


Clearly he has no interest to get back into shape. He’s riding on his short lived spree in 2007, hoping to cash in on ignorant fools like Stupid and Beandip, who as we all know are just here to entertain us with their stupid little smileys & ignorant posts.


Mike, it’s time you realized that Stupid is a liar second to none. When I say second to NONE … that’s exactly what I mean. He fabricates, hallucinates, twists facts and directs his sewer mouth at those who see through his farce.


He posted pics supposedly to show the condition of Steyn … yeah right … do yourself a favour … have a look at the pics he posted. They’re old and ancient. 


Not sure what the pic with Jake has to do with Fat Fransie’s condition … knowing Stupid … he probably thought Steyn was standing between Jake and Venter ...  


Sorry Stupid …your wrong AGAIN ... Fat Fansie Steyn looks awful. He should not have been allowed to run onto the park.


Tell me … how does his obesity compare to your lads??




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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 09:07:13
 JW if Frans had been at fullback wee rene would have ended up in the 10th row in the grandstands. Man has he flattened some abs in his time.

Half baked nutters like cc and even ou maaaikie are really hilarious. Frans after all this time out must star immediately. Howeveer even the great Burger is easing his way in.

Could cc and ou maaaike please understand that Jake is a real coach and will knock Frans into shape in all likelihood. You two are showing no understanding of the dynamics at play here. Elementary stuff flies over your head. smilie_b_028

 


Just_win

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 09:14:53
You tell them Beeno!


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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 09:24:56

Beeno

 

You obviously did not read what I said - there can be no argument to the fact that Francois Steyn was useless last Saturday.  Steyn wa not matchfit at all.  I said that I think we should wait and see how he actually does in Super 15.

 

The same applies to Burger.   The fact that for a variety of reasons  I have reservations about their expected performances  - I think it would get clearer with more exposure in Super 15 and that remains the core of the issue.   That would be a reasonable and fair approach.


CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 09:37:04
 
They should get Fransie and Trevor together to see who can scoff the most cheeseburgers in an hour.

Any bets ol Fransie will push Trevor to the wire?



Beeno1

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 10:05:24
 cc Trevor has gone downhill fast. 

However you and ou maaaikie expecting top performancers from Frans and Schalk is not on.
Mike whether to take these two on tour hangs in the balance. Both need to show a bit more. However Meyer may be guided by the maxim class is permanent and form temporary. Age here is not the isssue. its whether they are fit again and desire to play. We shall see. Anybody writing them off is premature.


clevermike

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 10:19:24

Beeno

 

Please get it straight - I am not writing the two players off.   I mentioned that  Burger is 32 - an age where players are already on a downward trend - but said he showed nothing yet -  and went on to say that Super 15 next year will be the final determinator.

 

Insofar as Francois Steyn is concerned the problem is still his speed.   If you look at the photos posted by Saffex - it is evident that Steyn - with a physicl built like that - ncan ever be a speedster.   He is in the photo of Marcel Coetzee and they are of the same built.   I am not saying he is not going to make it next year - but have reservations if he can end up in an attack-minded Springbok backline.   Problem is due to lack of speed and ball sense - he may ruin any attacks by the backline.   However, he should be given a fair chance next year.

 

Neither of these two should be in the EOYT squad.   The worst thing any coach could do would be to take them in place of performing players on the basis of reputation.   It is a nutcase idea to select players on that basis.  It would be a joy ride for them - since they would not be in the match day 23 -  and would weaken the squad considerably - resulting in reducing Meyer's options and ending up with the same problems encountered last year. 


Boklogic

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 10:22:59
 This is what Bryan had to say when asked whether Frans Steyn was done!



The uncontrollable laughter suggested Frans was far from it. 
This is New Zealand's reaction to Frans and Schalk returning!



McCaw took it especially hard to learn Schalk will be around terrorising him again!




CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 11:13:08
 
What ... ???

"Class is permanent" huh?

Well in that case why not bring Joost back ... or for that matter Os, Juan, Danie Gerber or perhaps even Honnibal and Mark Andrews.

Teichman would be an awesome inclusion ...

We should have a cracker of a team by years end.




Boklogic

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 11:23:40
 Lets be real Clean Cut. Those players are all classy players. They can no longer play for obvious reasons such as age and so on but they will remain amongst SA's list of world class players. 

Frans Steyn and Schalk Burger are still within age and with the right conditioning, they can get themselves back to the top where they belong. All that is missing with them right now is conditioning. They dont just forget how to play the game!


CleanCut

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 12:04:29

No Logic ... they WERE classy players. It ended sometime back. All they can do now is sit back and reminisce ... ponder the days of old.  As I've said before ... nothing is permanent.

Ever heard of "strike when the iron is hot" ... they did exactly that, but the iron eventually cools and that's when the class walks out the door.

Fat Fransie' iron has been ice cold for 6 years. No matter how much you slap it about ... or which furnace you use to try reignite it ... it's over. He's done!! Thank god!!

Schalk was a good player. The operative word is WAS. There's just too many talented hungry youngsters banging on the door and he can no longer compete at that level.


clevermike

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RE: Welcome back to the world class Frans Steyn
October 21, 2013, 12:35:30

Cleancut

 

I do not know where Saffex vanished to - but he will have a seizure about this thread.

 

When I saw Francois Steyn playing early in his career I thought he was awesome.   He was to my mind the ideal full back.   He was moved to center in the 2007 WC because of the injury to Jean de Villiers.   I was in France and saw him play - frankly despite all the hoo-haa I cannot remember where he really stood out as a center.   I saw him missing a tackle that nearly cost the Springboks the final - but for the rest to my mind he was an average player with the ability to kick long distance penalties and drop goals.

 

In the subsequent years he played at center and I never thought he was the best around.  He gradually picked up weight from the 98kgs he was in 2007-08 to 110 kgs by 2011.  In the process he lost some speed and his long-distance kicking at goal became less successful.   

 

I saw a few games he played on club level in France and he was above average - but nor a real star.  

 

Since his return from France he has to date shown NOTHING of substance - either in the tests he played in or for the Sharks - fact is he was in the main poor in Super 15 this year.

 

I think White is remembering Steyn as the player he used to be in 2007-08 and the fact that he was selected for the team this week could have been instigated by Meyer and White - but the plot failed as he really was useless.  

 

White is going to crack the whip and try to foce Steyn to get into the right physical condition - but if he continued to play like he did since his return from France - he has no chance of being a regular in the Sharks team - White will just not select him.      


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