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Saffex

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Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 13, 2013, 20:15:16

I had a good laugh on your take of the first half in the test against the AB's........as predicted your take was clothed in anti JJ prejudice........here is my counter and a true reflection of what exactly happened in that first half.......second half with JJ brilliant break to follow.......JJ had a brilliant game with ball in hand, it was even better second time round.......what a player this lad is.



 00.08 The ABs kick off left towards JJ, he mistimes his leap and the ABs recover the ball and launch their opening attacks.  ITS NOT THE JOB OF A 13 TO TAKE KICK-OFFS AND HAD ALBERSTS CHALLENGED MESSAM PROPERLY ON THE GROUND HE COULD HAVE EFFECTED A TURNOVER. JJ DOES NOT KNOCK IT ON, HE JUST DOES NOT TAKE THE KICK IN CONTACT, SO WHAT, HARDLY THE MEASURE OF A CENTRE.

 

1.02  JJ "tackles" Conrad Smith who stands in the tackle and struggles forward. Alberts steams up and flattens both of them. SMITH STANDS IN THE TACKLE AS HE TRIES TO STEP JJ, JJ DOES A GOOD JOB OF SNUFFING OUT THE STEP, SMITH DOES NOT STRUGGLE FORWARD AT ALL, GETS ONE STEP FORWARD AND JJ TAKES HIM BACWARDS, WITH ALBERTS CHARGING IN. IT’S A TACKLE BY JJ

 

1.18 The Boks are under a lot of pressure, the ball is passed to JJ behind the line, who kicks and fails to find touch. The ABs surge up the right side with Read just failing to regather near the Bok line. JJ IS HARDLY RENOWNED AS A KICKER AND IN FACT HIS KICK IS NOT BAD AT ALL IT NEARLY MAKES TOUCH, BUT WE ARE NOT HERE TO JUDGE JJ’S KICKING ABILITY. THE ONLY REASON THE AB’S GET NEAR THE BOK LINE IS THROUGH A KICK FROM READ

 

2.52 JJ gets the ball from a classy Willie pass, accelerates nicely up the touch line , but passes behind Jean's head, slowing his progress. THE PASS WAS HIGH BUT DOES NOT SLOW JEAN DOWN AT ALL, JJ DOES A GREAT JOB OF DRAWING SAVEA AND PUTTING JEAN INTO SPACE, JEAN SLIPS , COULD HAVE LEAD TO TRY THANKS TO JJ – THAT’S 1

 

5.00 PATHETIC KICK BY MORNE INTO DEADBALL AREA, WASTE OF GOOD BALL

 

6.20 JJ commits two defenders as Savea naively moves to help the man inside, a nice pass by JJ puts Willie away.  NOTHING NAÏVE FROM SAVEA, WITH JJ RUNNING TOWARDS HIM AND FIRST ATTACKING HIS INSIDE SHOULDER, THEN HIS OUTSIDE, HE CAUSES SAVEA TO CHECK HIS DEFENCE OUT WIDE AS JJ WAS GETTING AWAY FROM READ COVERING. PERFECT PASS TO WILLIE WHO CHIPS AHEAD AND NEARLY SCORES. COULD HAVE LEAD TO TRY THANKS TO JJ – THAT’S 2

 

10.49 JJ AND VERMEULEN TACKLE WHITELOCK

 

11.05 SMITH HANDS MORNE OFF AND SCORES – RC GONE

 

11..30 JJ takes pass and is stopped after 2 metres THIS WAS AT 13.23, JJ RUNS A GREAT LINE TAKES  A FLAT PASS FROM MORNE, RUNS STRAIGHT THROUGH CONRAD SMITH, WHICH YOU CONVENIENTLY FAILED TO INCLUDE IN YOUR SCOPE!!!!!, GETS TACKLED BY NONU AND SETS UP NEXT PHASE. GOOD LINE AND BURST THROUGH THE TACKLE BY SMITH.

 

13.55 Attempts to beat the defence on the outside, doesn't, and is taken into touch. NZ ball. HA,HA, HE TAKES A HIGH PASS OFF WILLIE WELL AND HAS NOWHERE TO GO ON THE TOUCHLINE, YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE HE FAILED HERE? COMMENTATOR SAYS WELL TAKEN BY JJ AS BALL WAS FIRED HEAD HIGH AT HIM BY LE ROUX

 

24.55 JJ COVERS WELL TO TAKE SAVEA DOWN

 

25.25 NONU RUNS THROUGH MORNE AND AB’S SCORE SOON AFTER – RC GONE

 

34.40 Overruns Morne's pass 10 metres out on a set move, after the Boks had destroyed the AB scrum. Some claim the pass was behind him....it was on his hip. And it was absolutely flat. A simple case of getting ahead of the passer and dropping the ball. . The ABs quickly relieve a great try scoring chance. WHAT NONSENSE, CHECKED THIS A FEW TIMES, THE PASS IS BEHIND JJ, NOWHERE NEAR THE HIPS, HE EXTENDS HIS ARMS BACKWARDS AT FULL FLIGHT TO TRY TAKE THE PASS. NOTHING SIMPLE ABOUT IT AT ALL. GOOD LINE RUN BY JJ AGAIN AND HAD THE PASS BEEN ACCURATE, JJ MIGHT HAVE GOT THROUGH AS HE LOOKS TO HAVE GOT THE BETTER OF SMITH IN CONTACT, DRAGGING SMITH EVEN THOUGH HE HAD GIVEN UP THE FIGHT GIVEN THE BALL WAS SPILT.

 

40.00 Morne clears outstandingly from behind the Bok line, and Louw alertly snaps up the errant NZ throw. Morne passes at his 22 instead of kicking out at half time. JJ performs an old fashioned scissors with jean. The change of direction takes him past Cruden. Then faced with a tandem of Read and Nonu, he accelerates trying to take the non existent gap between them. Nonu takes him down and Read strips the ball on the ground, which JJ places rapidly. There is no attempt to protect the ballor stand in the tackle. Massive turnover NZ. YEP MORNE SHOULD HAVE KICKED BUT THE BOKS OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO ATTACK, JJ IN ORDER TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING, RUNS THE SCISSOR WITH JEAN, TAKES THE PASS AT PACE, STEPS CRUDEN, ITS NOT A CASE OF JUST GOING PAST HIM, HE STEPS HIM BEAUTIFULLY. HE THEN DOES TAKE THE GAP BETWEEN NONU AND READ AND THROUGH SHEER PACE GETS PAST NONU, BUT NONU MANAGES TO CATCH JJ’S LEG WHILE FLYING PAST HIM AND JJ GOES DOWN WITH NO-ONE ON HIM, READ DIVES ON HIM, JJ PLACES THE BALL WELL, HE COULD NOT PROTECT IT ON THE GROUND AS THAT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A PENALTY. READ GETS UP TO CONTEST THE BALL AT THE EXACT TIME KOLISI HITS READ IN AN ATTEMPT TO CLEAR HIM OUT, THE BALL IS FLUNG BACK A GOOD 10M, THANKS EITHER TO A READ HAND OR KOLISI BOOT. JJ BEAT 2 DEFENDERS ON THAT RUN, IT WAS YET ANOTHER BIT OF CREATIVE PLAY FROM JJ.

 

40.33 JJ has a chance to make amends with Nonu directly in front of him. Nonu steps him  with ease and is brought down by Serfontein. But  the NZ move has gained momentum. Seconds later they score a crucial try. JJ IS COVERING WIDE NONU STEPS JJ AND DU PREEZ BUT JJ HAULS HIM IN AFTER SERFONTEIN GOES LOW, WITH JJ BASHING HIM DOWN. FUNNY HOW YOU FAIL TO MENTION NONU STEPPING DU PREEZ. IT WAS A GOOD DOUBLE STEP BY NONU. TRY IS SCORED THANKS TO MISSES BY BEAST AND KIRSCHNER OUT WIDE. IT HAD STUFF ALL TO DO WITH JJ AND THAT’S A FACT.

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 13, 2013, 20:38:08
You say nonu took JJ down but he beat two defenders? Who was the ghost? Look Dave you have to believe what you want. I could counter every point, but I'll mention just one. If Morne's pass had been accurate ie in JJs breadbasket....it would have been a metre forward. He overran the play. 


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 13, 2013, 20:50:06
JJ gets past Nonu, as Nonu comes flying across but manages to get enough of  a touch on him to throw him off balance.........its hardly a tackle by Nonu and JJ gets past Nonu, if you get past a defender, its counted as a beat......he stepped Cruden and got past Nonu, with Read diving on him.


Not sure what coverage you saw of the Morne pass to JJ but Sky has it from the front and back and without doubt the pass is behind JJ and not anywhere near his hip. JJ extends his arms out to try and take it. Nope if the pass had been to JJ's hand it would not have been forward, it would have been perfect. 


I'm not saying it was Morne's fault, it was almost a perfect pass and the margin of error is great given the line JJ was running and the fact that it was all happening in traffic. The thing that was complete nonsense was your take on the fact that JJ had messed up a good attacking opportunity - well thats just complete rubbish......the pass was behind him, he had very little chance of tacking it and thats a FACT. Its there for everyone to disect


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 13, 2013, 21:42:48
It was a set play that JJ mistimed....he was ahead of the passer.....check it again. 


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 13, 2013, 22:01:08
I have checked it a number of times from both angles and he was not ahead of the passer at all. He ran a great line, but the pass was behind him.....it happens. Morne's pass was not on the money, but I am not pointing fingers at Morne as you are JJ.


I dont rate Morne at all as a player, but I know getting a flat pass spot on when a player is running a diagonal line is damn tough.......ask my little man


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 00:30:33
He was ahead of the passer when he got the ball.....no way the pass could have been legal and in front of him. 


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 00:38:11
 Wrong, he was NOT ahead of Morne, Morne's pass was behind him


mozart

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 00:46:06
Morne passed laterally, it was behind JJ....ergo JJ was a pace ahead of the passer. Your better argument would be Morne delayed the pass...but frankly he didn't. 


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 00:54:23
Having checked that footage a number of times where Sky showed it front on and from behind, there is only one conclusion to be made and that is that the pass was misdirected and passed behind JJ.........JJ was never ahead of Morne, he was running a line that took him towards Morne


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 00:59:31

 Guys, fact remains, with guys like Morne, Zane, JJ, Basson and Kruger playing the way they are, we are going to lose more times the AB's than we are going to win.

 

JJ is learning every game (hopefully, I mean thats what you'd expect from a player) but he is by no means a polished 13 yet and he is not the best 13 in SA. He has massive problems on defence. Not even talking about defensive lines or patterns, I am talking technically. He is not a strong enough tackle to be the best 13 in SA. The boy has pace to burn but he lacks in the creativity department. He is a solidly built lad but shit scared to go low in the tackle.

 

Ebersohn is a better centre right now. De Jongh is better right now. I still dont know why Serfontein was not given a run at 13 in this Championship? He clearly is not a wing but we still don't know how he fares in the centres.

 

I dont get involved in any of this talk about the Barrett try anymore because I thought that picture I posted would have put it to bed. It is a simple illustration of JJ's tackling ability. Perfectly positioned to make a good, low hit and he buggered it up completely by chooseing to go high on one of the fastest men in the game. In a perfect world, every player would make head on tackles but what seperates good players from average ones is their ability to step and avoid tackles whilst trying to beat their man just like Drew Mitchel was the master at when he first broke on to the scene. He was not big but he was harder to tackle than an oke 20kg's up on him! As a 13, you need to be able to adjust and scramble. Ask Conrad, he will wrote the book!

 

These players are not good. They are great. They are the best in their countries and I would go as far as to say we have school boys who show more heart and better technique on defence than JJ has. He stands straight up in the tackle and he has done this time and time again. He knows no other way YET and this is going to continuosly cause SA big headaches against the better teams.

 

You might get away with it more often than not against the lesser teams like Scotland, Italy and those guys but its not their scalp we treasure most. Its the AB's, English, French and those guys!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 01:04:46
Boklogic you speaking shit how on earth can he have a defensive issue if he has missed 2 tackles in his last 4 tests......stop speaking complete and utter horseshit.


If JJ is not the best 13 in SA, pray tell me who is?????? Ebersohn and de Jongh?????......enough said, I cant debate with a thick fool.


Leave the debating to Moz and I.......your picture of Barrett says stuff all and if you think that is what puts the argument to bed you can see why I am calling you thick........go check the footage the one that shows that incident from the front and behind.......as for insulting a player like JJ by saying he is too scared to go low tells me you really are stupid.


So if JJ has a defensive issue against the best sides how do you explain 9 tackles and zero misses in the test in NZ and 1 miss in the test at home, huh?


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 02:44:42
l looked at it again. I think the pass was forward..even on JJ's hip. He got  way ahead of the play. He had a role and his brain just reacted without timing.....amateur night at the Prom.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 02:57:35

 Stop the clip at exactly 41.08 on the video timer.....you will see JJ miles ahead of the passer

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qktn-g6P4qk

 

 

The try line is handy in the background, draw an imaginary line from Steyn parallel to the tryline and observe how far JJ is  ahead of the passer as he receives the ball.


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 03:11:55

 OK Saffex, I am not going to lower myself into name calling and insulting you again but why is it that you take what my opinion is on JJ so personally? You dont know him personally. He is not close to you. You are not him!

 

I dont need to see the incident from the front, behind, helicopter or mole in the ground. I should you visual proof of JJ in perfect position to tackle. How much closer does he wana get to Barrett for .... sakes? Routine centre tackles that he misses way too much.

 

I dont care about stats. All I see is him missing tackles that cost us tries because of poor technique. He never wants to go low!

 

Seems you like these blokes that cant tackle...Before you call me stupid, look at some of the okes you back..JJ and Jantjies being 2 of them. Both should not be in Bok jumpers right now and the latter should never have been or ever be close!!

 

Dont take it personally. We are talking about a 3rd person here that has no bearing on our lives in a personal way. He simply needs to learn to tackle or move on before he costs us more games!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 13:53:29

Boklogic your ignorance really irritates me and make a mockery of the fact that you claim to play the game, for if you did your comments would not be as ill informed as they are.

 

 

If you played the game you would know that the inside defender has the responsibility of tackling the man with ball in hand and that if the outside defender is then expected to make the tackle because the inside defender missed his man, then chances are the outside defender will not be able to get into position to make an effective tackle.......its rugby basics which you don't seem able to comprehend at all.......then you lie about him being a poor defender.......how can that be given the stats I quoted above........it just does not add up.......2 missed tackles in 4 tests does NOT equate to a poor defender.

 

 

But what really pissed me off is you declaring that JJ is too scared to go low......what an insult to a test 13. Your ignorance just irritates me - just one of those things......its the same ignorance Mike has.

 

At least when I debate rugby with a guy like Moz, he does not throw in pathetic comments like JJ is too scared to tackle........that is just beyond debate.......its like debating with a 5 year old 


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 21:01:24

 Well what is it then Saffex? What is continuously preventing JJ going low. There are many pics online of JJ "tackling" and every one is not a text book tackle. They are all identical in the fact that he stands striaght up in contact. What is preventing him going low?

 

I understand the wrapping the ball up technique but he is not effecting this either. He is missing crucial tackles. I dont need stats to tell me that. He often "effects" tackles that are regulation and as I said, his technique can work most of the time or he has help from team mates but as soon as a tackle becomes a little complex like a man is stepping away from him or on his inside shoulder, he is missing them more often than not. It only happens a few times a game where your defence is really tested 1 on 1 and he is failing far too often.

 

Usually guys man up on defence pretty well and its about chipping away until a hole opens up. Often, when the best teams in the world meet, you will turn over the ball or make a mistake which is the reason tries are not easy to come by and we dont see tries from every possession. You get those few opportunities in a game where the defence is reeling or scrambling and JJ is no good at that. We saw it against Argentina and we waved good bye to the RC trophy because of it.

 

Only difference is, against Barrett, he was in perfect position to take his legs!

 

In a perfect world, the attacker is always the job of the inside defender but this is not a perfect world and a guy with Beauden Barrett's pace is always going to beat a defender of Morne Steyn's pace around the outside so can JJ trust that tackle to be made when we are scrambling? Its about being wise to the situation you in and that comes with experience. Conrad can tell you that too so that is why I say dont give up on JJ but the problem is, he is missing the tackles. He has no problems scrambling into position but he is technically piss poor in the tackle. Often needing help from team mates. He slows guys up with his technique but not chop them down. If everytime an inside defender missed a tackle and your theory that the outside man can never get to him, we would see basket ball scores! 95-89 type shit!

 

Your stats quoted show simple tackles where guys have taken the ball up to set up the next phase. Stats dont tell a true story. My picture did!!

 

Saffex, the game is no longer played with a brown, heavy leather ball that was a piece of soap in the wet where backs stood 2metres apart and every backline move went through the hands with no forwards in the line and defences made sure they numbered up. Easy stuff. Guys are running dummy lines, forwards are throwing 20metre passes, attacks are forming various different pods in different channels to confuse defences and it seems we are seeing very quickly that JJ is being exposed as a poor defender on the international stage.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:10:44
 Just as I thought you are ignorant and naive to base your argument on 2 photo's on the internet......again you lie about how many pics there are.......we have access to the internet in case that past you.......I read your first paragraph, I cant be bothered with anymore, you are too stupid and ignorant to debate rugby with......I mean fuck me, de Jongh and Ebersohn are better 13's than JJ in your books.......I think that settles it all and its clear you dont play the game........that is a certainty, or if you do it must be at one pathetic level where a bunch of fat blokes run around and not many tackles are made............I really cant be asked........move on


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:30:45
Ha, ha Moz, you have a good few years on me and it shows, you need those eyes tested bud......at 41.08 it is clear that JJ is behind Morne........the ball will have left Morne's hands at 41.075 taking JJ even further back........the pass was misdirected and behind JJ.


The Sky coverage showed the same angle as the youtube clip but also showed the view from a different angle which was even more convincing.


JJ ran a good line and had the pass been on target he might have come close to scoring as he looks to have the physical beating of Smith after contact, with Smith hanging on for dear life, despite JJ having given up the fight having lost the ball behind him.


I stand by my take on this passage of play as I do with all my other takes.


Moz a last question, what did you make of JJ's beating of Savea and setting Willie up with a perfectly timed inside pass?


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:38:21

Saffex

 

You cannot win an argument on Engelbrecht with Mozart.   He has a fixation with De Jongh and wants him in the team come hell or high water - so Engelbrecht must be denigrated as far as humanly possible.  According to Mozart Engelbrecht will always be wrong in whatever he does - so why not accept that you are arguing with a fixed mind, which cannot be changed.

 

Morne is good - whether he fouls or or not.  Mozart's  first response was that Morne had an excellent test.   When it was pointed out that Morne failed in defence, did not know when to kick and when to pass (because the robotic Morne was told by Meyer to play flatter in the pocket and pass balls  more often) - hence the Messam try - and failed with two kicks at goal when under pressure - Mozart put up a spirited defence of Morne by attacking Lambie on grounds that is really contradicted by  statistics..

 

So accept that you are right and that the Morsoscope of Mozart was  his normal farce in which he endeavoured to denigrate Engebrecht.   I am not saying Engelbrecht is faultless - I am saying that he had a good game - which Mozart will never admit.   Just like he will never admit that some of his favourite players have had bad games.

 

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:38:23

Saffex

 

You cannot win an argument on Engelbrecht with Mozart.   He has a fixation with De Jongh and wants him in the team come hell or high water - so Engelbrecht must be denigrated as far as humanly possible.  According to Mozart Engelbrecht will always be wrong in whatever he does - so why not accept that you are arguing with a fixed mind, which cannot be changed.

 

Morne is good - whether he fouls or or not.  Mozart's  first response was that Morne had an excellent test.   When it was pointed out that Morne failed in defence, did not know when to kick and when to pass (because the robotic Morne was told by Meyer to play flatter in the pocket and pass balls  more often) - hence the Messam try - and failed with two kicks at goal when under pressure - Mozart put up a spirited defence of Morne by attacking Lambie on grounds that is really contradicted by  statistics..

 

So accept that you are right and that the Morsoscope of Mozart was  his normal farce in which he endeavoured to denigrate Engebrecht.   I am not saying Engelbrecht is faultless - I am saying that he had a good game - which Mozart will never admit.   Just like he will never admit that some of his favourite players have had bad games.

 

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:42:48
Dave I'm sorry, when did the retinal detachment occur.. ....JJ is way ahead of the pass. As for his beating of Savea I'd say Savea looks pretty inept on defense, but the deception was very convincing. Mostly I think because JJ intended to pass and changed his mind. Then he found himself running into Savea so he stepped to the side and was the most surprised guy on the planet to find himself in open field. In short I think it was a total accident. 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 22:43:12
 If Moz wants an alternative to JJ, it CANNOT be de Jongh, for that would be laughable


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 23:38:38

 Saffex, I realise you have internet which is why I told you all to google "JJ Engelbrecht tackles" and click on images. I also realise you have objective vision and will see what you want to see. I mean after all, you do see Jantjies as a decent rugby player.

 

You will see tackles from JJ on the following and all chest high, standing up in the tackle.

 

Kieran Read

De Allende (Bulls vs WP)

Savea

Nonu

Piutau x 3

 

Now I looked at all the Piutau tackles and they look like 3 different tackles as each time there is different supporting Springboks in the shot. Tackles all look remarkably similar with him clutching at Piutau's collar. That makes 7 tackles that made the net with 100's that didnt. You theory of 2 is blown out the water.

 

You think I hate the man. I dont. I dont know him personally. I just know that I want the Boks to win against the best in the world and JJ is doing a damn fine job of getting in the way of this.

 

Also Saffex, when he he ever created something out of nothing ala Marius Joubert at times and Fourie? Even Adi Jacobs was a much better creative player! He is as fast as lightning but the kid offers little else!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 14, 2013, 23:48:05
Fuck me.......what part of him beating Savea to set up Willie did you miss, let me guess, that had stuff all to do with creating something from nothing.......how about his try against Samoa huh. What did Joubert create from nothing, would that be his 9 tries in 30 tests and 31 tries in his whole career......compare that to JJ with 4 tries in 9 tests and 52 tries in total aged 24.........2 missed tackles in his last 4 tests speaks volumes for his defence, its a better stat than Jean's who missed 2 against NZ alone......these stats expose you for the crap you are speaking......unless of course the stats are lying.


I've checked your pics and you a lying and one certainty is that a photo does not tell you anything......hell I could post a pic of a boxer landing a great punch and tell you it knocked his opponent out.......get real man, better still wake up.


JJ offers nothing does he, I take it you are either stupid or missed the last test?


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 00:49:16

Just a pity he blew a try, got turned for another try  and missed the tackle that lost the RC and confirmed that the next week by botching a try defence from 40 metres out against a hooker! 

 

Dave your loyalty to this Grey College product is touching , but way over the top. Joubert in his first effective season, 2002,  scored two marvellous tries against the Aussies. In 2005 he won the TN by running straight through Umaga. When your chappie has that kind of thing on his resume, let's talk again.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 00:50:34

 I never missed the last test, I saw everything. I saw JJ set up two of our tries whilst scoring 1. I saw him smash Barrett back to keep us in the game. I saw JJ run rings around Conrad Smith and beat every defender he came up against. Oh, what it must be like to be in your head Dave and see things through your eyes!

 

I saw exactly what the game was. No contribution by JJ on attack except over running passes and turning ball over and an even less impact on defence. In fact, a negative impact on defence. A test the young man needs to put behind him but I am sure it will happen time and time again until he learns to tackle!

 

Stats expose me? Chavanga scored 6 tries in 1 game. JP Pietersen or Habana did not do that. Is Chavanga a better player than them both? Lets not take into account the opposition on the day or the amount of rugby the guys were playing. Lets just look at numbers..Please Dave, spare me your stats..They mean fuck all! I can see JJ for what he is with my eyes! I suggest you start actually watching too! JJ is not a great centre right now, he belongs on the wing in Currie Cup until he sorts his shit out. Centres need flair, vision and skill. JJ is lacking in most depts. Look at his beautifully forward pass near the end of the game. How can you get it that wrong? Skill set!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 04:47:58

Mozart

 

All this debate about Engelbrecht knocking on a ball with a try begging reminds me of another incident.  It happened at Murrayfield last year when a player got the ball in similar circumstances - and knocked it on.   That player was De Jongh - no discussion about him - according to you he had a solid game.  And dead silence about that incident.

 

Both Engelbrecht and De Jongh knocked on balls under similar circumstances - Engelbrecht is crucified - De Jongh is treated with the great silence.   What is the  difference?    Both players buggered up badly - so why the difference?

 

Then we have the harping on Engelbrecht defence - he missed 16% of all attempted tackles in Super 15 as against the miss ratio of 25% on the part of De Jongh.   Why go for Engelbrecht's miss tackle issue - when De Jongh put up a worse show by far during Super 15.   This debate started during Super 15 already - hence my reference to it.  Fact is Engelbrecht has some tackle deficiencies - De Jongh has major tackle deficiencies.    In the case of Engelbrecht - he is damned completely - in respect of De Jongh the silence is deafening.

 

In the case of Engelbreht his miss tackle on Bosch was inexcusable - on Barrett the same,  but in the latter case the main culprits were De Villiers and Morne Steyn.  Incidentally Morne's tackle technique is the same as that of Engelbrecht.   The technique of both are not acceptable - but Morne missed more tackles per game than Engelbrecht.   Morne in the CR missed 11 tackles - Engelbrecht 5.   Why the hullabaloo about Engelbrecht's defence deficiencies and zero about that of Morne Steyn?

 

I think we need to realize that this debate is not based on fair issues - but rather on player preferences of members - in other words no objectivity and only efforts to run down players you do not like and building sandcastles in respect of those you like. 

 

        


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 05:10:06
Nice post Mike. I can live with that. Fair and objective. I do like JJ as a player but that is slowly fading the more I see him play. I thought he would be solid for the boks. He has not created anything and his defensive work is up to shit. Can't afford to miss these tackles in games like this. One nearly cost us the game and the other did cost is the game!

Right now, he is not the answer at 13 for the Boks. Serfontein needs an extended run! Maybe even try de Allende!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 05:35:03

boklogic

 

To be fair - Engelbrecht is not my ideal center - Saffex will crucify me for saying that - but neither is De Jongh.   In a straight choice between those two my choice will invariably be Engelbrecht.   However, I believe that Engelbrecht is really a wing - not a 13 and had said that in the past repeatedly.

 

The reason is that Engelbrecht has to my mind limited ball sense and relies too much on his speed as a major  and only asset.   He cannot create play that would add value to the team as a whole and his own efforts normally runs into a cul-de-sac.

 

I think we need a real strong center - and am afraid that Serfontein needs more experience before he can really be the answer.   He is more of a 12 though than a 13 - and is to my mind a good back up for De Villiers.    For the rest we do have problems at 13.   De Allende may be the answer - but he is not getting enough game time on senior level to arrive at a decision.   Definitely an extremely strong tackler and ball carrier with good off-load capacity who can create space for other players - but he is only for the future and only if he can prove himself in Super 15.

 

The other player that impressed me in Super 15 and in CC this year was  Sadie - he was much more of an all-round player than any of the other 13's - but that of course is a no-no with most of the members on this site - and they will crucify me for saying what I did.   Jordaan has more ball sense than the other 13's combined - but he was a no show this year in Super 15  - largely because he was playing in a malfunctioning backline of the Sharks - and is injured in any event.

 

For the moment I believe Engelbrecht is our main and virtually only option - but I think we must watch the Super 15 next year and see who is really the best candidate for the future.     It may be Engelbrecht - or it may be another player - so that would be the best route to follow.   


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 05:46:09

I'm not sure how de Jongh entered the debate, but these are his tackling stats for all his tests....excluding three tests he wasn't on long enough to attempt a tackle:

 

10/1....4/0....2/0...3/1...16/0....3/0...7/1...1/0...4/1...3/0.

 

That makes 53 out of 57 attempted tackles or a success rate of 93%. The 16 tackles without a miss was against NZ. Pretty good for a guy who supposedly can't tackle.

 

Just for the record, I don't think de Jongh is a permanent answer at Bok 13. But he is a professional centre. There is no way in hell Barrett would have run into Juan and have been given a nice body massage.

 

A lot of hypocritical nonsense is being sprouted about the Barrett try. The OOM has gone from saying I was right about JJs deficiencies, to JJ was okay, to JJ has tackling issues. All depending on who he wants to impress. Dave can't see any issues through his rose coloured specs.

 

The fact is Jean shouldn't have rushed up, but he didn't touch Barrett, Morne should have tackled him instead of shepherding him to the right.....but after all that he ran slap bang into the Bok 13 who had his arms wrapped around him and missed. It was a pathetic effort that deserves to be recognized for what it was, a match altering miss.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 07:10:58

Mozart

 

It was very clear how De Jongh got involved.  The argument on Engelbrecht's defence started in Super 15 - and that is why I compared his defence stats with  those of Engelbrecht.  

 

De Jongh built up a reputation as a good defender early on - but this year his defence was atrociously poor compared to what it was in the past.   Maybe the opposition found out how to counter his defensive efforts and being a little guy - they got the better of him.   Fact is - in his last test he was hiding on the blind side so as to not expose himself to Tuilagi - who would have done what a lot of opponents did this year - just run over him and forget about him as a defender.   Be it as it may - he definitely is not up to standard defence-wise anymore and to my mind a serious liability in that respect.   To assume that he would have tackled Barrett is really not on - taking into account his latest history - and like in the Twickenham test he might have been  hiding away from the action or he might have tried his present efforts and Barrett would have run over him like so many others did this year. 

 

He also came into the debate because of the similarity between his knock-on in the Murrayfield test - very similar to Engelbrecht's effort in the latest test.

 

You really surprise me by your latest remarks on De Jongh - namely that he is not the permanent answer - your previous postings and praise singing of De Jongh really countered that comment.   He may be a professional center - but he is also not a real option at all - he is just too big a liability on both defence and attack (where he really is not bringing anything to the party.

 

I accept the issue with the Barrett try - but do not assign the blame entirely to Engelbrecht after viewing the game again - even though I thought otherwise during my first viewing of the situation.   It was not necessarily the losing try - if one takes into consideration the tries given away by the extremely poor play of Alberts, Morne and Kolisi earlier in the game that led to giving away three tries in the process.

 

What I do emphasize is the inadequate tackling techniques of both Engelbrecht and Morne - they are in essence not ideal defenders.   However, in execution Engelbrecht is far superior to Morne - who gets beaten far too easily as was proven not only in the test against the AB's - but throughout the RC.

 

I do not see Engelbrecht as the final solution at 12 and would like to see how other players perform in Super 15 next year as already stated.  

 

   


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 13:28:06

Moz your take on JJ's contribution is complete rubbish, he never blew a single try scoring opportunity and in fact set up 3.......the first was putting Jean into space, who slipped, the next was putting Willie into space, who chipped ahead and nearly gathered and the last was his great break to set Willie up, only to have Morne botch it going over the line - these are all FACTS

 

 

He never got turned over for a try, you spoke nonsense about that passage of play as well, he in fact beat Cruden and Nonu and had Kolisi in support.......so did a perfect job of carrying the attack.......the try that resulted had stuff all to do with JJ and everything to do with Beast and Kirchner missing tackles - again FACTS......you cant just make this shit up

 

 

It does not get worse than blaming JJ for the Barrett try considering he got through Jean, then Morne.......and JJ being the outside defender, pundits will tell you that Barrett was never his man and that because of that he could not align to make the tackle properly........how you can begin to ignore Jean and Morne misses and point fingers at JJ is in fact insulting to a rugby follower.

 

 

Not sure what this Grey take is, Grey is in PE, I grew up in Grahamstown, going to a school in Grahamstown.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 13:34:05

Good old Mike speaking a load of horseshit again.............talk me through this one DomMike........lets take the JJ beating of Savea, where he steps inside and then beats him on the outside, sprints away from the covering defence and then sends a perfect long pass to his wrong side, setting up Willie and in your informed opinion, he lacks ball sense and should be a wing........fuck me you are stupid.......you and Boklogic make a fine pair........the two of you do not comprehend the basic's of rugby.

 

 

JJ sets a new standard for outside centre, in the past we could have tried a player like Serfontein at 13, but he would just not have made the right impression, simply because he does not have the JJ speed and feet.......a test 13 needs to speed of a wing and the feet of a 12 and some bulk to handle the traffic........this is exactly what JJ offers.

 

 

Tell me bright Mike, if JJ is not your option at 13, pray tell me who is?????

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 13:37:30

Moz your take on the Savea beat has you sinking to an all time low.....we will leave it at that, I am not going to even bother trying to counter that shit. It had you squirming for sure........not to mention that sublime long pass to his wrong side putting Willie into space.

 

 

As for JJ being ahead of Morne, NO he was not, it was not even marginal and that is a FACT 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 13:39:55

Boklogic if that is what you saw in that test you are even more stupid than I originally thought......case closed, I cant debate rugby with a braindead idiot......I now see why Rooinek keeps kicking your arse.

 

 

Talk me through your take on him running through Conrad Smith, stepping Cruden and beating Savea with pure skill.........and try not fucking lie about it as its on Youtube........man up and counter these 3 passages of play


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 14:19:32

Saffex

 

To be quite frank your rose-tinted look at Engelbrecht is the one factor that takes away the real position as to his performances.   He is not what  you constantly credit him with.   In fact he is a very speedy player - which everybody admit - but he is NOT an all round center that can create play for others as well for himself.  Speed is an advantage for any backline player - but definitely not the only attribute required from a center.

 

There are question marks about his defence - which you always defend by assigning blame to others.   In the final analysis his efforts in some cases are weakish and not effective - whether you like it or not.  

 

I said clearly he is the only option at this stage - but whether he will remain that depends entirely on what happens in the Super 15 next year.   I said clearly that his performance and those of other centers playing at 13 would determine who would be the best choice.  It could still be Engelbrecht - if he does improve his present performances both on attack and defence - but to rule out other players is not really the answer.  He is on average a good player - but he is not so outstanding that he is not replaceable.   One thing is for sure - he is a better option than de Jongh - who should not ever be in consideration.   For the rest I have an open mind on the issue.       


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 15:14:58
Dave you may believe JJ is absolved from all guilt....I continue to believe he coughed up  the ball by taking on Nonu and Read before the half time try, he overran a try scoring chance and he missed Barrett to lose the RC. I have looked at the tape many times, and thats my honest conclusion. He is still very marginal as a test centre....if we had another option wing might make sense.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 15:35:43

Mozart

 

In all fairness - both Morne and Jean fouled up putting Engelbrecht in a position where he had limited options.   A better option would have been to try a Willie le Roux and Habana trick and kick the ball over the heads of the defenders - but I think that Engelbrecht has limitations as to ball sense and that would not have entered his mind at all.

 

Despite the fact that I do not see him being blamed for deficiencies which should be the result of other players as well - I also think that Engelbrecht essentially is more a wing than a center - hence my earlier comments (which nearly caused a fit on the part of Saffex) in the relevant regard.  


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 20:59:11
I'm more of an Old Testament guy....if a player has a full on tackle of the opponent that takes away the RC and bottles out ....I think he is to blame, regardless of any other blame that could be applicable. 


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 15, 2013, 21:41:22
Ha ha trying to deflect the heat now are we saffex? What does this have to do with me and rooinek? U want him to jump in and attack me so u have back up do u? Pathetic but not as pathetic as your man love for JJ and jantjies. U would have a bok back line with zero flair and more holes than a target at a shooting range!

You getting excited about a centre who beat a few players with ball in hand. Haha how desperate must 1 be. Did any of those breaks result in him finishing off? If he can't beat a defender every now and again then he should not be playing the game never mind for the Boks! 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 13:27:15

Problem is Moz, your takes are incorrect.......for JJ would not have been turned over had Kolisi cleared Read out. But more to the point, the Boks intended to attack at that point given both Morne and Jean passed him the ball. Do you think they intended him to just run into touch when Morne could have kicked it out instead. Fact is Jean wanted to attack and JJ did a good job by running the scissor, beating Cruden and Nonu to set the ball up.

 

 

JJ did NOT overrun a pass, Morne passed behind him and JJ was NOT in front of Morne

 

 

JJ missed Barrett AFTER Jean and then Morne missed him, not to mention Kirchner missing him after JJ did on while covering.......so how the hell do you conclude that JJ cost the try given Barrett was in fact Morne's man, the inside defender  


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 13:30:45

Boklogic, I know you are thick but I don't ever recall eliciting Rooineks support to take on your rugby brain!!!

 

 

So in your opinion, given you proclaim to still play the game, do you score or set up a try every time you make a break, if you ever do!!?

 

 

Lets take the beating of Savea for instance and putting Willie into space.......was that not a try scoring opportunity that Morne botched up going over the line huh?

 

 

Try again and try add some weight to the shit you talk 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 14:16:46
 Kolisi was nowhere near Read when he turned JJ over....that was the problem JJ ran into an area where he had no protection. Dave this is just your latest loyal but misguided attempt to support your man. I stand by everyone of the other statements as well....he was ahead of the pass and it became his job to tackle Barrett, just as it became his job to tackle Bosch....he had the best shot at them


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 16:10:01

Mozart

 

Agree - Kolisi was nowhere  near Read and he got run over by Messam when he tried to tackle him - like he was nowhere as well.

 

For the rest he was nowhere for 80%  of the time he spent on the field of play - but do not blame him only for that one - since he equalled the performances of Louw and Vermeulen wider out and Alberts was only noticeable 10%  of the time.

 

The AB loosies played a game covering the whole field of play - ours managed to cover 10% of  the field of play.

 

However, to blame Engelbrecht alone for the so-called turnover and for the Barrett tackle is ingenious.   In the first case Steyn played the idiots game and did not make a relieving  kick he should have done virtually on half time.   Naas himself said it was idiotic - so I am not alone in that one.

 

You blame Engelbrecht for the loss - but he is only third of the list of players to be blamed.   The real catalogue is -

 

1    Morne Steyn - missed  tackles,  direct result 2 tries - idiotic play,  1 try - partially responsible - 1 try (Barrettt);

 

2    Willem Alberts - missed tackle - one try - idiotic clumsiness - 1 try (Messam)

 

3    JJ Engelbrecht - missed tackle 1 try  (Barrett) - knocking ball on and indirectly responsible for another try (Messam - second try). 

    


mozart

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 17:01:42

 Ingenious or ingenuous?  You see I happen to agree Alberts bought the Messam try and Morne missed Barrett. It's obvious you only have to look at the tape.

 

 

But JJ was responsible for the halftime try (turnover and missed tackle on Nonu), did botch a great attacking chance by overrunning the ball and was the player who made best contact with Barrett before he scored. That's also obvious.

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 17:26:26

Mozart

 

First of all - Morne missed a tackle on Ben Smith before he scored his try after Alberts buggered up first.   Morne kicked out the ball which led to Messam's try - even Naas said it was stupid not to.   Morne was instructed by Meyer to pass more often and kicked less - but in his own 22 when the siren was about to sound the end of the first half - that really showed he is robotic with clueless ball sense.   Aside of that he also missed the tackle on Read when he scored his try.   Really a complete hash if ever there was one.

 

I accept that Alberts was responsible for missing the tackle on Read - but he also fell over his own feet flat on his face  and failed to recover the ball after Aaron Smith was tackled - he was in the best position to do so being nearest to the tackled player.   But Alberts is notorious for clumsiness - even Tomas mentioned it pertinently  previously - and incapable of breakdown ball recovery at all. First Messam try.

 

I do blame Engelbrecht for the Barrett try and held him partially responsible for the Messam second try - so he is third on the list of match losers.

 

     


mozart

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 17:36:16

The point is, we know what Alberts can do and he can put in crushing hits. Morne is among the top three goal kickers on the planet. The guy who is new is JJ and the question with him is whether he can be defensively sound. If the answer to that is yes, his attacking potential  will give him the nod in spite of his poor judgement at times. Based on the RC though, that question remains unanswered, he has been culpable in tries any defensively competent 13 should have stopped. And that's the truth of it.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 17:54:55

Mozart

 

To an extent I agree with you - but you cannot have one-dimensional players in a tam that do well things like kicking at goal - and bigger up badly for the rest.   Alberts make some good tackles - but far too few in any given match and that is as far as his playing capacity goes.  

 

Engelbrecht to my mind is really a wing that never really adjusted to center.   He has defensive problems - I grant you that.   What bothers me is that he sometimes vanish from sight in matches and when doing so he is poor - and very poor at that.   For instance he was not a factor at all in Saturdays game between the Cheetahs and the Bulls.

 

I am not "married" to the idea that Engelbrecht shall be our 13 in future - hence my comments that we should see what happens in Super 15 next year.   What worries me also is that the French and Welsh have very good centers and they might just beat his defence as well.  

 

 


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 20:55:18

 Saffex, Juan De Jongh beat Daniel and Coetzee in last years Currie Cup final and he finished the try off. Should he be the Bok centre?

 

You just talk shit man! Dont worry what I do when I make breaks on the rugby field. The difference between me and JJ is a whole lot of money and international status. I dont get paid to do what JJ "should" be doing but I reckon if I got fit enough I could do what he does. I could demonstrate absolutely no ideas on attack and can certainly miss tackles on guys as slight as Barrett.

 

Open you eyes and see what is in front of you, not what you conjure up in your rugby-free brain! The team you coach must be getting dicked every game as you are coaching a 7's style. 1 miss tackle and the opposition team is under the poles because its no one elses job to make the tackle except the inside man! ha ha laughable stuff really.

 

Barrett ran right into JJ. Slap bang. He shielded the ball with 2 hands, closed his eyes and braced for contact. To his surprise, Moses parted the rugby field and he had a free run. How come all these debates include JJ. Bosch and Barrett try. It wasn't Jannie and Jean or Jannie and Habana. It is always JJ involved. The other 2 mentioned dont fuck things up!

 

JJ can run like the wind but thats where it ends. I didn't know pace was enough to be a Bok centre. Would JJ make the All Blacks team?? Barrett cant tackle for shit but he may let a try in but he will score you 3! JJ just lets them in! Face it, your boys JJ and Jantjies are touch rugby players!


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 21:27:27

 boklogic

 

I know there are some fans who see something in Juan de Jongh - but what I have seen the further away he is from Springbok selection - the better it would be for he Springboks.

 

There are a number of reasons for that.   During the whole of 2011 he scored two tries on CC and Super 15 level - he increased that to 3 tries in Super 15 and CC in 3012 - two in Super 15 and the CC final try.   This year he was not any better in attacking play.   That shows that from an attacking perspective he is harmless and a very marginal selection on Super 15 level.   Nobody expect from a player to score a try each game he played in but to play about 48 Super 15 matches and 12 CC matches - the number of  tries scored by him or even try-assists - where he contributed none - is way below par.    At least Engelbrecht has scored some test tries - he has not had any from 2o11 to date.   The one excellent opportunity  he had in the Wallabies test last here he buggered up completely.

 

In 2012 he had come from the bench once - against the Wallabies and it ws a fiasco.  He played in two tests (Murrayfield and Twickenham) and in both tests he did zero = matter of fact he had in the Twickenham the largest number of zeroes I have ever seen in the ESPN stats system on games.    In effect he made up the numbers on the Springbok team sheet - nothing more.

 

De Jongh started off with the reputation that he is a good defender - but this year in Super 15 he destroyed to my mind his reputation  for defence completely.   He missed 25% of all attempted tackles - which is a very high percentage and totally unacceptable.   Engelbrecht missed 16% - also too high - but not a patch of what De Jongh missed.

 

Problem is that I think the opposition found him out and his tackling ability was countered.   De Jongh is physically very small -  he used to way 84 kgs - and now claims his weight is 87 kgs.   With the much bigger and stronger players nowadays - he is too weak to contain them and when he is up against a good tackler - they often enough tackle him back.   One thing  positive though he used to knock on more balls than he did in 2013 and possession loss after tackles also declined this year.

 

Be it as it may - I said earlier that Engelbrecht - with his deficiencies - is still our best  option - De Jongh has way too many negatives to be selected.    

 

 

 

 

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 22:26:21
Moz sorry but you are wrong, JJ was not ahead of Morne on that pass there is video evidence to prove it.


Its also complete crap that JJ was best placed to tackle Barrett........that responsibility fell squarely on Morne's shoulders, not only because he was the inside defender, he was also close enough to tackle him but made a pathetic attempt instead as he did on 3 other occasions in the match. JJ was covering the outside channel and had to turn to try tackle Barrett from behind......so its complete and utter bullshit that JJ was best placed to tackle Barrett.


As for Kolisi not being near Read, again complete bullshit and I'll happily provide the Youtube time of play to prove it. JJ gets past Nonu, but Nonu clips JJ to cause him to stumble on his way past, Read runs towards JJ and dives on him, he then gets up to effect the turnover at which point Kolisi hits him........these are the facts......its not clear whether Read rips the ball back or Kolisi kicks or knocks the ball forward......all we do know is that the ball is sent a good 10m back.


Moz your anti JJ plays its part in every take on his performance on the day, none more so than your sour take on his wonderful beating of Savea.


JJ proved you wrong in that match, he proved he was more than a handy speedster in space......he proved he could step and beat a man on the outside. JJ's position at 13 was never in doubt, but that performance confirmed he is there to stay for some time


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 22:45:26
 Ek sien die Saffex doos weet ook fokol van rugby. As Morne die binne verdediger was en JJ die buite verdediger, waar de moer was Jean. O ja, hy was natuurlik die poepol wat uit die lyn uit opgeskiet het om die gaping te skep. Daarna hardloop Barrett na die buitekant direk na JJ en nou is die skielik Morne se man.

Saffex, jy is net fiokken dof. Barrett was so ver aan Morne se buitekant, nadat hy al reeds vir Jean geklop het, dat dit eintlik 'n wonderwerk was dat Morne naby kon kom. JJ het altwee sy hande op Barrett gehad en het net te kak getackle.

Eerstens was Barrett deur Jean gemis en en toe hy buite toe hardloop was dit direk in JJ se kanaal in.

As jy sulke kak menings het, is die kans seker ook goed dat jy dink Jantjies is 'n goeie speler.


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 22:58:13
Look here you stupid dutchman piss off back under the rock you just crept out of and this is an English speaking site so fuck off


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 16, 2013, 23:52:34

Van

 

Whether you like it or not - the sooner Morne vanish from the Springbok team - the better the Springbok backline will be.  He is robotic without any ball sense whatsoever.

 

Why the hell did he not make a relieving kick in his 22 - when the siren was about to call the end of the first half?   Because Meyer told him to stand flatter in the channel and pass the ball more and kick less.   So he passed the ball and gave Naas a fit about senseless play.

 

He missed tackles like he is paid to miss them  and in the end he is basically responsible for the loss of the Springboks in the Ellis Park test.   The idiotic non-kick and the missed tackles resulted in four of the five AB tries.  

 

You and Saffex can argue till you are white in the face - but Morne if he made even a slight effort - was in position to tackle Barrett - but like in all the other tackles he missed - the attempts were feeble and useless.

 

The AB's should put up a monument of Morne - in every test he played against them - he more than any other player - buggers up the efforts of the Springboks. 

 


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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:00:52
Goosen is back, useless Morne is pissing off to France thank goodness, Bok rugby will be in safe hands with Goosen.......the bloody kid needs to just stay away from bloody injury


Boklogic

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:24:44

 That is correct. Jean got ahead of himself, Morne was nowhere and fucked it up but JJ became the best placed to make the tackle. He was not behind Barrett when they first met. He ended up behine Barrett as he was beaten like he was not there with his revolving door defence.

 

My picture clearly showed JJ in PERFECT position to tackle low. He does not like to tackle low..That is clear and is a massive problem..

 

Frans Steyn needs to get back to his best!!


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:36:35
Crap Morne was right on top of Barrett but went high, JJ was covering wide, expecting the inside defender to tackle Barrett. JJ's attempt was a last gasp attempt given he had to turn to try tackle Barrett, could not align properly, had to go high from behind effectively, leading with the wrong shoulder - FACT.


Had JJ been in front of Barrett and not covering wide, he would have tackled Barrett with ease as he had the previous 12 tackles he had made in two tests against the AB's


Imagine believing an international centre does not like to tackle low, man you would have to be one stupid prick to believe that.........it would be like saying an international prop does not like contact, or flyhalf does not like kicking..............are there really such stupid rugby followers out there?


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:41:57
 "Look here you stupid dutchman piss off back under the rock you just crept out of and this is an English speaking site so fuck off"

Luister jou dom doos. Sover ek sien is hierdie webwerf SARugby, met verwysing na Suid Afrikaanse Rugby. En as jy nie jou kop in jou hol gehad het nie, sou jy geweet het dat  Afrikaans een van die amptelike landstale is in Suid Afrika. As jy te kak is om dit te wil verstaan, sal ek voorstel dat jy eerder die een is wat fokof. Jou veralgemening en verwysing na "dutchman" dui vir my duidelik dat jy ernstige vooroordele het en nie 'n benul het wat aangaan nie.

Of is jy die amptelike spreekbuis van hierdie webwerf. Is dit dan die amptelike standpunt van die webwerf, wat bedoel is om oor Suid Afrikaanse rugby te gaan dat Afrikaans verbode is hier? Moerse interessant!


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:44:22
 Fuck off Dutchman you are not welcome......speak English, you are mumbling.......voetsek


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:47:32
 "Crap Morne was right on top of Barrett but went high, JJ was covering wide, expecting the inside defender to tackle Barrett. JJ's attempt was a last gasp attempt given he had to turn to try tackle Barrett, could not align properly, had to go high from behind effectively, leading with the wrong shoulder - FACT."

Kak verskoning! Jy probeer maar net om een van jou draadtrek fantasië te beskerm. 'n Speler hardloop reguit in sy kanaal in en hy mis die duikslag. Op sy sterk skouer. Dit was net 'n kak duikslag.


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:52:31
 "Fuck off Dutchman you are not welcome......speak English, you are mumbling.......voetsek"

Hoekom trek jy nie liewer Engeland toe nie? Ek dink jy sal goed inpas daar.

Hierdie is 'n Suid Afrikaanse webwerf vir Suid Afrikaanse rugby. As jy nie daarmee kan vrede maak nie is dit maar beter dat jy uit die land uit fokof na 'n plek, waar jy nie Afrikaans hoef te hoor of te lees nie!


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 00:57:20
Look here you stupid Dutchman, do you see any other posts in Afrikaans on here......does that not tell you something or are you too stupid to comprehend the obvious.


What part of fuck off do you not get.......make sure you close the door on your way out and don't forget that comb in your sock.


I have lived in England since 1999 and I know more about SA rugby than you will ever know........put that in your pipe and smoke it.......now piss off


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 01:02:36
 O fok ja, ek kon dit seker maar verwag het. 'n Slapgat wat weggehardloop het van die "swart gevaar" en wat nou sy grootbek opinies op 'n Suid Afrikaanse webwerk kom afsmeer. En jy kan beslis nie meer van Suid Afrikaanse rugby as ek of enige ander persoon weet nie, want jy weet in elk geval fokol van rugby.

Ek is hier om te bly en jy dit in jy pyp sit en verstik!


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 01:15:14
Dutchman which opinions have I voiced on here huh? There is nothing slap about earning the English pound and going to sleep with the front door unlocked.......who is the idiot here?


Enjoy your time here Dutchie dont be surprised if you get little reaction with your taal posts.......I felt the need to say my bit given you are fucking stupid enough to open by attacking me.......I am going to eat you up and spit you out for the ignorant conservative prick that you are......let me guess, you think useless Morne is great, the bloke who does not have a creative bone in his body and you still tap to Bless Bridges!!


nukefreekiwi

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 01:41:19

Jeg hater når folk bruker et annet språk til den som blir brukt i hele diskusjonen. det er utrolig uhøflig og eksklusive. 


mozart

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 04:04:04
Hehe.....lapsing into Tongan again Nook? 


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 07:53:16
Nukefreekiwi.
Jy kan maar Noorweegs praat, ek verstaan dit, maar eintlik is hierdie 'n Suid Afrikaanse webwerf. Ek sou opinie as waardevol geag het as hierdie 'n Engelse, Nieu Zeelandse, of 'n Australiese webwerf was. Of moet die Franse, of die Duitsers of die Japanese nou in Engels pos op hulle eie webwerwe, net omdat dat werfetters soos Saffex is wat dit van buite af besoek?

Saffex.
Dankie dat jy dit sommer dan ook bevestig dat jy 'n rassis is. Dan weet ons waar ons met jou staan. Dit is toe nogal baie maklik om jou te ontbloot.

Ek sien jou Bles Bridges aanmerking is ook maar net 'n verdere aanduiding van jou veralgemenings op grond van taal, wat dan ook sal manifesteer in die redes waarom jy weggevlug het. Jy is die konserwatiewe een, wat mense klassifiseer op grond van sekere karakteristieke en dan 'n tipe apartheid wil skep vir die wat nie die presiese selfde eng verkrampte waardes as hy aanhang nie.

En dis werklik nie eers nodig om jou aan te val nie. Jou eng eenogige idees wys alles duidelik. Eintlik noem ek maar net die ooglopende.


CleanCut

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 09:39:56
 

I see the inbred Jungle Bunny's still going on about JJ.


Give it a rest will ya.


No matter how many times you twist the facts regarding “Jinking” JJ, it won’t change the general perception of the boy. You’re the only one (as usual) singing his praises.   The rest of us see him for what he is … useless … not a center to begin with … and definitely not Bok material … ok, Stupid??


Now run along and go get your fat obese prop of a son another plate of doughnuts, before he tears another hammie reaching for the spiced up buffalo wings.


How is he by the way???


 



clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 09:41:38

Van

 

I am Afrikaans speaklng - but basically bilingual - as well.  Grew up in the Southern Cape and other members of my family never spoke English - even though they understood English.

 

Basically I think that this website has members all over the world - a substantial number of whom cannot understand Afrikaans at all - I normally use only English on this site.  The issue is that foreign members - make this site very interesting, since there are more variations in discussion.

 

I took Saffex to task about his attitude about Afrikaans - and he stated clearly that he just do not understand the language well enough to understand it properly and that he has left SA in the early 1990's and lost contact with what he used to know.   I met him in London - when I went to watch the Springbok tests against the England and Scotland and he really is a nice person to know.

 

That does not mean that I do agree with his rugby views on many issues - fact is we disagree strongly on a lot of them.   He are often insulting when you disagree with him - but that does not constitute anything important  insofar as I am concerned.

 

As I said there are many members from other countries - even Argentina - on this site - you will get more pleasure to post your views in English on the site and see how they respond as well.   Hope you find this contribution as reasonable.

 

You seem to be a Morne fan - and from what I have written - you must know that I am anything but.  So you can go for me as well. 


CleanCut

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 10:00:28
 
As far as I'm concerned, Van can speak any language he chooses. I understand what he's saying and that's good enough for me. Besides he probably expresses himself better in Afrikaans ... if he really needs to make himself understood I'm sure he'll speak English to the kiwis and ozzies on this site.


Who the hell does Stupid think he is ... dictating to us what language is and isn't to be spoken here on this board.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Besides, it's not about the language ... it's about the Afrikaaner people. He's a racist with a very large chip on the shoulder.

He ran away during the apartheid era, as a half breed, speaking afrikaanse (his home language by the way) ... so that he can mouth off at us from afar.

He's a whimpering coward ... no more ... no less.





Ceradyne

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 10:17:39
 CW, jy moet net weet dat ou Maaikie se laaste paragraaf nie sonder voorbehoude is nie. Indien jy van hom gaan verskil gaan hy jou persoonlik aanval en uitskel. Dit gaan  ook nie help jy plaas feite en bewyse op die tafel nie. Hy sal sê jy lieg. Selfs video grepe wat die teendeel bewys is nie goed genoeg nie. Dit is ook alles liegstories en oëverblindery. Lees gerus hier as jy lus is om  te lag. http://sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=6101


cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 10:21:19
 Nee Mike. Jy het my verkeerd. Ek is beslis nie 'n Morne ondersteuner nie, maar in hierdie een geval spreek die feite vanself. Jean het fouteer en 'n reuse gaping gelaat. Na dit het Barrett direk in JJ se kanaal in gehardloop. Morne kon slegs 'n hand bykry en die kans vir 'n suksesvolle duikslag is seker minder as 5%. Hy peil in JJ se kanaal af en JJ kry altwee hande om Barrett, maar is te swak om hom te hou.

Dieselfde geld vir meeste van die driee ook. Swak kommunikasie het verdediger in swak posisies geplaas wat duikslae moeiliker gemaak het. Vat maar Beast se patetiese poging met Messam se drie. Dis omdat hy verby die spel gehardloop het, terwyl hy in 'n perfekte posisie sou gewees het as hy net die spasiering gehou het.

Jean het aanleiding gegee tot die beslissende drie omdat hy paniekerig was. As hy net sy lyn gehou het, was daar geen gaping nie. Verdediging gaan oor veel meer as net 'n duikslag. Dit gaan oor jou struktuur en jou lyne. As die verdediger die lyn self breek, hoef die aanvaller nie eers te werk nie.


clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 11:04:27

Van

 

I agree with you on the above.

 

Just forget about Ceradyne please - he really is a joke and a sh!t stirrer.   Bad news that one.   He is ignorant beyond belief - even if h e tries to sound otherwise. The only member I ultimately treat with richly deserved contempt is Ceradyne - also known as "windpomp" or really fart smell.

 

Look - there is every chance that I will differ from you on many points in future - but I generally do not start the personal name slanging attacks - but sometimes respond in kind when personal attacks on me happen.  

 

I think Meyer has shown some progress as a coach - but would like to see what squad he comes up with for the EOYT.   His selections in some cases are very conservative and he is let down by players he selects on that basis.. 

 

 

 

 

  


Ceradyne

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 11:49:37
 Ou Maaikie. I have challenged you time and time again to go back to that one thread, so that we can finish the debate, but you do not have the balls to do so. Instead you left that debate by throwing a few last insults without standing up to your lies.


clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 11:58:36

 Was not lying about Morne Steyn in the Stade Francais match - his kicking was ineffective - but this is not the topic in this case.   It is not worth while to discuss that issue any further - since you persist with your wicked misineterpretation.

 

The above topic basically relates to the Ellis Park Test.   Morne was atrociously bad in the test at Ellis Park and no amount of lies on your part will show otherwise.  Windpomp is the name Beeno calls you - my appropriate translation for that one is Fart Smell.

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 12:10:28
Who said  anything about lying? Guilty conscience? I said that we needed to finish the debate.


clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 13:06:34

Ceradyne

 

you accused me of lying previously and you know that yourself.  Anyway start a new thread if you want a further discussion on that issue.   Maybe - just maybe it will dawn on you this threat is about the Ellis Park test - upon which we have not seen yet how you justify Morne's BS performance.  Come now - let us have the joke so we can all laugh about it.


Ceradyne

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 13:31:34
 Ou Maaikie, you are one of those "critics" whose first option is to find somebody to blame, and you are not the only one. You see, there is a slight difference between loosing a game and being beaten by a better team. This thread is actually about egos and has nothing to do with the game itself. Saffex is a massive JJ Engelbrecht fan but he has a passionate hate for Morne Steyn. Moz is not a fan of JJ Engelbrecht. You have a distinct dislike in both JJ Engelbrecht and Morne Steyn. Saffex started a new thread to get to Moz about Moz' take on Engelbrecht. Why? because there were probably a few things on the other threads that could be a bit of a thorn in his side. I don't know.

You see the scenario developing here? If only one of the three of you liked and disliked the same players, this thread would not even have existed. Moz accuses Engelbrecht for one of the tries being scored, and Saffex gets pissed off. Apart from your dislike in Steyn and Engelbrecht you are also suffering from some complex because of the numerous times the Moz has kicked your butt, but you cannot quite jump into the exact same bed as Saffex to get to Moz, because then you have to start liking Engelbrecht, so what do you do? You jump on Morne Steyn's back and that suits Saffex' dislike in Steyn.

The joke of the entire issue is the fact that the game took place almost two weeks ago and after much deliberation, fighting, swearing, name-calling, watching and re-watching video clips, you still do not have consensus over who to blame. The players on the field had fractions of seconds to decide what the correct action was going to be.

Why would I want to have part of the idiocy? It makes for nothing more than entertainment. From a rugby point of view it is one huge joke. A satire.

On the subject of the other thread that I mentioned.......... Why start a new thread? Why can't we just go back to the previous one. All the arguments are there. Or do you not want everybody to read your ludicrous arguments again?


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 13:51:30

CancerCunt, are you back talking rugby or just yapping at my heels........there is more credit in your yapping, keep it up.

 

How is Boshoff coming along as our Bok flyhalf.......I see the poor thing has been ousted by Jantjies again, a real 10

 

 

Dutchie, I see you are still here blabbering away in Afrikaans, I have given up reading your shit, just do us a favour and piss off, we don't want Afrikaans on this site as it serves to exclude those who don't understand it. I know you are too fucking dom to comprehend this basic concept, so thought it best I pointed it out.

 

 

In a nutshell, using Afrikaans is rude - get it? 


CleanCut

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 14:22:31
Why what's wrong, Stupid?? Having difficulty grasping the concept of talent again? Still seeing "jinking" JJ's on the telly, huh??

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

Boshoff comes in at 10 and wins man of the match ... over and over again. Get's pushed to 15 so that our quota selection can have a little game time and what does he do ... he goes and wins man of the match ... again and again ... and that playing out of position.

Then due to a little niggle ... the quota gets dropped from the match 23 and so Boshoff get's pushed back to 10 ... and what does he do ... yeah ... you got it ... he wins man of the match ... again.

Damn ... that must be sooooooo annoying ... hey Jungle Bunny??

There's just no stopping this talented kid kicking ass. Sure he'll win man of the match in any position in the back line. You see he knows that tucking into plate after plate of doughnuts isn't good for you. Unlike someone I know. How is Stupid jr?? He doing fine??

Are you seriously giving someone a lecture on rudeness? Pffffffffaaahahahahahahaaaa!!! Perhaps you should give that rethink, huh Stupid!!



cwvdmerwe

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 14:37:32
 In a nutshell, using Afrikaans is rude - get it?

En jy is nie? Hahaha...

"we don't want Afrikaans on this site"
Wie de moer is "ons"?

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Kom ek verduidelik dit vir jou mooi stadig. Rugby was nog altyd deel van die Afrikaanse kultuur. Die getal Afrikaanse spelers is meer as die getal Engelse spelers. Die getal Afrikaanse rugby ondersteuners is meer as die getal Engelse ondersteuners. Daar is 6.8miljoen Afrikaans sprekende Suid Afrkaners (huistaal), 4.9 miljoen Engels sprekendes en dan ook ander tale met meer sprekers. Hierdie is 'n Suid Afrikaanse webwerf.

Een van die dmoz kategoriee vir hierdie spesifieke webwerf:
  • Top » World » Afrikaans » Streke » Afrika » Suid-Afrika » Sport


Die webwerf het 'n Suid Afrikaanse eienaar


Word deur Suid Afrikaners bedryf.
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Jy is niks meer as 'n arrogante poepol wat uit Engeland uit staan en skree dat Afrikaans in Suid Afrika verbied moet word... Net omdat jy waarskynlik nie intelligent genoeg was om dit te slaag op standerd 6 vlak nie.

Ek sal later wel die moeite doen om in Engels te kommunikeer met die wat my tweede taal respekteer, maar in jou geval sal ek NOOIT Engels gebruik nie...


clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 16:00:12

Ceradyne

 

Why do you live in England and not understand English properly?   Mozart blamed only Engelbrecht for losing the Ellis Park test.  

 

My response - fully motivated point fingers at others - especially Morne Steyn and I gave the reasons why in detail.   Has your dim mind now lighten up to the reason why Morne came under scrutiny?

 

Must a person always spell out an issue in detail - before you get the point?   In any event Morne was the key let-down of the Springboks in that team followed closely by Alberts and Kirchner.  

 

Now you come up with a "seconds"  story - if it take seconds to decide whether to make a tackle or not - the player concerned should not ever be playing in tests.   Same applies as to kicking a relieving kick from your own 22 - especially under the circumstances applicable to the Ellis Park test - ie seconds before the siren ending the first round sounded.

 

Now start learning about rugby before you post on this Board.

 

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 16:49:19
 And then ou Maaikie comes back to his old tactic. Twisting around what I have said. This is what ou Maaikie says: 

"Now you come up with a "seconds"  story - if it take seconds to decide whether to make a tackle or not - the player concerned should not ever be playing in tests."

Now watch closely how he tries to bullshit his way out of this one. This was what I said:

"The players on the field had fractions of seconds to decide what the correct action was going to be."

You see ou Maaikie, my point was this. You guys have been argueing for almost two weeks about an incident where the players had to make split-second or fractions of seconds to decide what to do. You do not give that any thought. Your main goal is to see what you can come up with to try and make and idiot of the next poster. Fokol to do with the rugby, IMO. Now you are jumping on my back for not wanting to have anything to do with this childish crap. You don't really give a flying fuck  about who was to blame and what needs to be done etc, etc. That is all just a smoke screen. The actual goal is to nail Moz. As I said, I only read it for the entertainment value.


clevermike

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 17, 2013, 18:18:25

Ceradyne

 

Your rugby  contribution on this core as absolute  BS - but nothing else can be expected from you. 


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 18, 2013, 01:07:34
CancerCunt dont lie about Boshoff winning MOM at 10 for the Lions.......it was at 10 that we had the commentators telling us that all Boshoff had to offer at 10 was a boot, that he offers nothing on attack and asks no questions of the defence.......they were saying how much the Lions were missing Jantjies at 10.......let me guess you missed that game on telly.


This is not the first time you have been exposed as a liar......a liar who knows fuck all about rugby.......what a combo, you should write a book. You on treatment yet, how much longer do you have? God's speed, pain free and all that......well not really.....may you be blessed with........


Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 18, 2013, 01:14:06
Dutchie are you still with us or have you closed the door?


The issue was never about how many Afrikaans blokes played rugby you ignorant twit.......it was about using afrikaans on THIS site, an ENGLISH, I said ENGLISH site.


Do you see any other posts in afrikaans on here huh?



CleanCut

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 18, 2013, 12:38:01
 
Aaaaaah yes .... I guess Stupid didn't watch rugby again. Strange how he has much to say.

I see he no longer speaks of Jantjies having a cracker at ten this past weekend ... guess he musta heard this morning that Jantjies is out for the rest of the season.

Hilarious to see him embarrass himself like that all week.

Tell me dumbass ... how do you manage to get both your feet into your mouth ... ???

Huh??

Guess it must be cause you got this really big mouth, huh?

Just curious ... do you still have bouf your front teefs ... or can you actually drink your meths through a straw without ever having to open your mouth???

Huh Gatiep????







Saffex

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RE: Moz my counter on your JJ nonsense
October 18, 2013, 16:46:28
Cancer, you really are as thick as pigshit, you will find Jantjies has been out injured for a good few weeks.......is there anything you do know about rugby Cunt?


I mean, the last installment we had from you was a blatant lie that Boshoff had won a MOM playing flyhalf for the Lions.......good work Cunt, keep it up 


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