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Beeno1

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More egg for gullible global warmers
September 19, 2013, 16:55:17

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IN THIS column last Thursday (September 12) I made mention of the astonishing expansion of the Arctic sea ice — 60% in a year.

I also referred to a leak out of that vast bureaucracy called the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has since become a flood. I should add that the IPCC’s pronouncements are used everywhere to justify huge fossil fuel taxes and subsidies for acres of renewable energy.

The UK Mail on Sunday (September 15) revealed that the latest IPCC report concedes that the world has warmed at half the rate it predicted when it issued its 2007 report.

It also says its computers probably exaggerated the effect of carbon on world temperatures.

IPCC scientists cannot explain why world temperatures haven’t increased significantly since 1997. They admit — now — that many parts of the world were as warm as they are currently between AD950 and 1250, when there weren’t many people and carbon dioxide levels were insignificant. They cannot explain the expansion of Arctic sea ice, and their prediction that hurricanes would become more intense has disappeared from the report.

It must be really galling to have to say sorry. Of course, the IPCC will do no such thing. In the face of its own evidence it still says the world will warm catastrophically, there will be rises in sea levels and the Arctic ice cap will disappear. It adds it is "extremely likely" that humans caused more than half the temperature rises between 1951 and 2010; in 2007 it claimed only that it was very confident. As Georgia Institute of Technology head of climate science Prof Judith Curry observes: "This is incomprehensible to me."

The stage is now set for a first-rate international row. The IPCC occupies a colossal head office in Geneva. It employs thousands of scientists and administrators. In other words, it costs a fortune to run and maintain. Many of the governments that are asked to supply the cash will now look askance at the work it has been doing and, more importantly, the conclusions it has drawn. Careers and jobs will be at stake.

What is unarguable is that the gap between the IPCC’s predictions and reality is widening.

Starting next Monday, 40 of the 240 authors of the new report will meet representatives of many of the 195 governments that fund the IPCC. More than 1,800 questions have been tabled, and major revisions are being demanded.

One of the authors, Oxford University’s director of the Climate Research Network, Prof Myles Allen, told the Mail: "The idea of producing a do[removed]ent of near-biblical infallibility is a misrepresentation of how science works, and we need to look very carefully about what the IPCC does in future."

This latest information needs to be examined very closely by opinion makers in this country. Canada’s Financial Post (September 16) argues that the emergence of new data will rock the foundations of mainstream climatology. "This is obviously no time for entering into costly and permanent climate policy commitments based on failed model forecasts. The real message of the science is: hold on a bit longer, information is coming soon that could radically change our understanding of this issue."

The awkward problem for those who have wholeheartedly embraced the dire predictions of forthcoming global climate disaster is that the models used by IPCC’s scientists predict one thing; the data show another.

Those who are scoffingly called denialists or flat earthers (like me) unfortunately possess a view that coincides with real-world observations. The IPCC is simply incapable of being objective about this. You can’t really blame it — it has bought into its own propaganda.

As for that carbon tax the Treasury wants to impose, it really had better stop right now and take a deep breath. If it is desperately looking for ways to add new taxes, this one isn’t going to fly.

Treasury deputy director-general Ismail Momoniat is a perfectly nice and sincere man, but on this issue he is misinformed. Right now, waiting is incontrovertibly the best policy, for as much as five years if need be.

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mozart

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 19, 2013, 17:10:37
Look we have warmed 1 degree in the last 150 years, which is probably the result of mismeasurement, the waning effects of the Little Ice Age and solar activity ( the other planets are also warmer). And since the 1980s things are pretty much stable. Yet these jumped up weathermen are still talking about events as consequences of "climate change". It is an elegant theory with no empirical foundation.....pursued relentlessly by a bunch a crazy fanatics.


clevermike

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 19, 2013, 17:16:27
I read about this report earlier when a question was raised as to why the Arctic ice cap increased by up to 40% over the past two years. There was also remarks made as to long icy weather in especially North America and Europe.

I believe this may be a case where a huge bureaucracy was established and they had to find ways and means to make sure they keep their cushy jobs at all cost. As you say a sucker is borne every day - indications are there were many suckers in this case.


Beeno1

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 19, 2013, 17:19:16

Yep Moz it's all unravelling. Man I have had to teach rooitwit about the fact that nothing can't create the universe out of nothing via the laws of gravity. Also have to get him right on climate change and of course on rugby matters.

Its a full time job! Anyhow he did produce a brilliant post. rolling laughter (#10) rolling laughter (#10) rolling laughter (#10)

 


Sharkbok

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 19, 2013, 19:16:12

There is not strong enough evidence about the cause or effects of global warming, or if it even exists or not.

 

Science does not have enough factual data about historical weather temperatures to make a comparison that is conclusive- 

The earth has warmed up and cooled down at various times over the last few million years for various reasons.

 

The ozone layer over the artic seems to be the most conclusive example of proof that global warming is happening due to the effects of human industrialisation. 

 

Oil and fossil fuels are perhaps the most damaging activity to the enviroment.

Fossil fuel is critical to industrialisation and global trade.

The supply and demand has a big impact on the price of "black gold".

 

If Western Capitalism is able to state they are not attacking the likes of Syria, Iran and previously Irak for Oil, 

who is to say that other information is not being painted favourably, or even falsified?

 

How objective is the United Nations and how do they get funding?

NATO is from what I understand totally funded by America who are the biggest consumer of Oil and fossil fuels.

 

Not sure how much I trust this "independent" United Nations that is now retracting their earlier claims about the damge that is being done to the enviroment.

 

Saddam Hussein was meant to have weapons of mass destruction according to the United Nations, and NATO acted upon that to invade Irak on a humatarian basis.

This was later proved to be incorrect and his weaponery was mostly outdated and far from nuclear.

 

Finally this report does not deny that global warming does not exist, or that it is having no effects.

Instead that the earlier predication was an over-estimation.

 

If anyone else has a better explaination to the holes in the ozone layer exist than global warming, then enlighten the rest

 


Wardad

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 02:28:00

 The last 2 weeks here in brisbane have seen several days of temps 5-7 degrees above average . ! or 2 degrees may not sound much but it isnt averaged out over each day .

What it means is you have fewer days below the average and more days over the mean average temps .

And Australia has their hottest year on record so far .

Try telling all the countries in or near the Arctic circle that their glaciers havent retreated cos bean head said so.

Same for some PI nations who are fighting a losing battle against rising water levels .

I am sure the temperature with your head up your arse is  cooler than outside said butt bean head ,its probably where you pulled the eggs you ended up smooshing into your own face eh ?Bird brain .


mozart

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 03:30:34

Hahaha....this topic is above your pay grade ....that's the most pathetic piece of reasoning I have read in a long time.


Wardad

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 04:25:18

 A gallup poll for 2007-2008 shows that people in African countries are more likely to deny global warming . The people who live in areas more affected are more inclined to beleive not only the scientific evidence but what they see in front of them . The temp here yesterday 32 the usual for this time of year 25 -27.Yes bean head is a good source of [dis]information isnt he ?

Sharkbok WTF does NATO have to do with the UN ? Nato isnt only funded by the US either ,NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization which was founded to go head to head with the former Warsaw pact nations which was mostly funded by the USSR [retired hurt] I agree with a lot of the other stuff tho.

And since when has reducing the amount of pollutants pumped into the air been a bad thing ? Check out smog in Tokyo and LA in the 60s-80s !

Most deniers have a vested interest in maintaing the status quid ,oops quo !

Check the Aussie government bureau of meteorology stats for climate change ,this year warmest winter among a huge number of other high temp related records to fall .


Cloudy

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 04:53:51

Wardad have you seen Al Gores do[removed]entary on global warming and the other one that came out called An Inconvenient Truth by Davis Guggenheim?  Both critically acclaimed productions and both riveting viewing.


mozart

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 04:55:14

Yes and March 2012 was the coldest in Europe in 100 years. And how about those predicted Hurricanes spawned by a so called warmer ocean. How many have hit the US this year? An unprecedented zero. Does this prove warming isn't happening.....nope, just as your specific examples prove nothing except weather is variable.

 

To prove temperature change you need many readings over time and geography. So far we get one degree increase in the last 150 years.....explained by many factors, only one of which is man made pollution. 


hakwa

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 05:10:30

there is something asleep under the icecaps Beeno and they will awaken when the Ice-caps melt! Aliens? not sure!


Beeno1

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 10:47:39

 Hahahahhahahahakwa!

Cloudy poor al gorge has made a complete twit of himself with his hockey stick graph etc. Man apparently the oak uses an enormous amount of power in his house and doesnt try to save electricity at all. 

Its all a money making scam. Buits its crashing as the theories and models dont align to the facts - the facts are important warped dud incase you didnt know.

Now warped dud quite clearly has bought into this hook line and sinker and is totally emabrassed.  I would imagine ou warped dud is a doomsday prepper. How did they rate your prepping plan warped dud.rolling laughter (#10)

No warped dud let's not confuse issues here. Environmental degradation must be combatted as best we can. But man made emissions are not causing a climate change problem as none exists and we only emit a tiny part of the Co2 in any case etc etc.

All this is becoming well known and the oaks are furious at having been had and heads will role and academic  reseach posts will end etc etc.

With the ice packs increasing so dramatically the sea levels if anything should be going down. Did they in fact ever go up. NO.

Time to abandon the global warming nonsense. Time also to abadon any idea the Uiverse created itself from nothing via the laws of gravity - an even more stupid conclusion that global warming. Its like believing in fairies!!!!

Beeno the realist nailing the issues! Thanks to Dr Moz and others for their very valuable input.

 


Wardad

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 10:54:15

 Been-tween braino ,you and facts arent even on the same planet !If you had enough brains or someone with the patience of a saint to explain things that a chimpanzee could figure out you would understand that there are going to be variations from year to year and area to area but the overall trend follows the model .

And that includes disrupted weather patterns and extreme weather variations ,such as the coldest winter in 100 years and last years devastating hurricane season .

 And yeah bean head thousands of actual Physicists including Einstein must be wrong cos you beleive in a Babylonian fairy tale . The bible tells you how to go to heaven not how the heavens go [removed]o .And at the moment of inception that first billionth of a second after the laws of gravity as you so inelegantly put it did not apply same for the forces involved Weak and strong nuclear force ,Gravitational  force and elcto-magnetic forces .Allowing for inflation ,like your weak force strong on stupidity gravty defying head !

Lesson over for today !Next up 

How the Higgs Boson [ field actualy] creates mass !


KalaedFreddie

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 12:20:52

 Me, I am a construction outhjie, work in the weather all the time.  Some years are hotter and some are colder but this nonsense which has been all the rage is just so governments can tax us for something else.  I don't believe it, but then I am not a professor in bull[removed] either.

 

Hakwa, you may just have a point about them aliens.  There is no way that we are the only intelligent people in the solar system / universe.  Even in the bible they talk about aliens in Gen 6 and in Nubers (I think13) Beeno would know.  Many of the Inca temples have hieroglyphs showing people in suits with helmets etc.

 

Just know, we are not alone.. 


Wardad

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 12:32:46

 Schizophrenia also means your never alone hahahahaha! ....Who said that ?


Sharkbok

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 20, 2013, 17:55:16

 @Wardrad

 

NATO put simply is the military arm on the United Nations

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    The North Atlantic Treaty Organization also called the (North) Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance based on the North Atlantic Treaty which 

     

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Wardad

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 21, 2013, 03:25:18

 Nah bro the UN has its own peace keepers drawn down for various missions from member countries [ I was one of them very briefly } NATO was formed only from European ,BRitish and US armies to combat the commie Warsaw Pact  [ some of those former Warsaw pact nations are now in NATO .I spent a few days at the massive airbase in Rammstein in Germany and got a look at how massive an organization it was even from my limited perspective .

To reiterate NATO is a seperate organization although some members have been used in UN sanctioned missions .

The UN peacekeepers wear their country of origins uniforms and gear but all wear the blue beret ,you have no doubt seen them on tv , the Fijians send a disproportionate number of men to be Peacekeepers and its one of their major exports ! [ good soldiers I might add and rugger nuts to boot ! ]


clevermike

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 21, 2013, 10:23:48
Wardad

You are correct here. NATO was established by the Amercians, Canada, Western Europeans and Turkey to deal with the Communist threat from Eastern Europe. It has nothing to do with the United Nations. They often enough try to get UN blessing of the UN Security Council to support their military escapades when dealing with issues that some of the NATO members think represents a threat to their own interests. The information they use are often - such as the case was in Iraq - based on lies and deceit - and even Australia at times fell for that one. Quite a dangerous alliance - nowadays aimed at their own - often nefarious - interests.

Oil is their real interest at present and they are ruthless in dealing with ME countries. However, being bitten in Afghanistan and creating chaos in Iraq - they are not interfering in Syria - after creating chaos in Libya as well. Beware of them shouting DEMOCRACY and intervening in countries - it often leads to instability in those countries and the population suffers badly as a result.


clevermike

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RE: More egg for gullible global warmers
September 21, 2013, 10:27:00
Now back to the original topic - it is bitterly cold in Cape Town - with ice on the western slope of Table Mountain. We are already in the latter half of September - when the weather should be milder. Are we cooling down as well?


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