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Saffex

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Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 22:41:32

Everyone knows I dont rate the guy, so please explain why he is our Bok 10 given how poor he was yesterday and how ineffective he has been all year?

 

I just dont get it. Aimless kicking, poor defence and nothing with ball in hand. Pienaar was just as poor yesterday....the lad lacks the hard edge, those missed tackles were poor.


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 22:56:46
A girl

There would be no comment from the Morne Steyn supporters - because they refuse to own up that he was crap yesterday. The final proof how really crap he was was when he missed finding touch with a penalty kick. That typified his performance throughout the game.


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 22:59:03

 He is useless always has been and the sooner Meyer moves on the better


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 23:09:41

Dave any predictions when JJ is going to beat his first tackle in the RC


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 23:09:46

Dave, what do you know ? Next we'll be hearing about the Jantjies/Lambie option . Morne by the standard he's set himself this year, had a kak game,but he's undoubtedly our best option at Ellis Park .. For someone whose biggest contribution here , remains how he got moderated somewhere else     Eish................. the unfairly maligned, aspiring business magnate, Beeno has far more credibilty, &, he doesn't throw around the C word.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 23:15:13

 The tactical kicking by the boks was rubbish this weekend, and this is the main area the All Blacks gained ascendancy.

 

Morne was poor in the kicking department, and the kick by Habana was terribale. The All Blacks will punish poor kicks more times than not.

 

I did not even know that Ma Nonu could kick but he placed the ball behind the rush defence with ease, and Kirchner was way out of position.

 

I would have rather had Lambie at 15 who would have been better at positional play and tactical kicking, along with all other areas.

 

Although Morne was poor on the day, and his tactical kicking and up and unders were mostly poor.

 

The boks backline played crap and this was not just because of playing against the number one ranked team. 


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 23:36:54

Moz that will be when he gets the ball, he beat no less tackles than his opposite number did or Jean for that matter.

 

He can only play with ball in hand unless you expect him to do the impossible. Did Conrad Smith beat any tackles - NO

 

JJ took ball in traffic and got over the advantage line and he made all his tackles.......something Jean did not do

 


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 15, 2013, 23:39:22

Blob, Morne should never have been our option. Lambie is a far better flyhalf. Damn right I would select Jantjies ahead of Morne.

 

Morne is useless and has been poor to average all year


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 00:03:46
The issue is about Morne Steyn and his rubbish performance - but Mozart must do his usual - try and avoid discussion of the topic. No mention of Morne - but onto his bête noir Engelberecht. If we discuss Pieter Steph - he calls him Stephanie and try to discredit him - even if he did not see the match yesterday.

But then topical discussion is not his strong point - fabrication and nonsense is. Poor Mozart - sometimes I am really sorry for him. .


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 00:27:15
Oh dear egg face is at it again. He switches from string to string as he gets blown out of the water. But let's forget the clown and take up your point Dave. Lambie was my pick at the beginning of the season as well. But he had an awful S15.....perhaps the main reason why the Sharks were nowhere. Every significant stat, including defenders beaten and metres per run were worse than Morne. his pass/kick ratio was also worse. In fact the lad has perked up since playing 15 again.

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I also think Morne was off yesterday, but look at the service from Pienaar. He missed one tackle in 10, including a fine tackle on Nonu in space. Sure he kicked once into touch and went for too much on one penalty....that happens about once a season. And if Goosen had made that last kick which was inch perfect to Kirchner for Lambie's try, they would be ringing the bells in Bloemfontein. So much of this is what a viewer wants to see.

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By the way your question about Smith....he made one clean break, and beat one defender for 33 metres. He was much more involved than JJ, not because the ball was passed to him....but because he looks for it. JJ is stuck on station out in his channel. Frankly in the last three games he was invisible. And sure he made all his tackles, but almost every one with help. Check his tackle on Messam in 22....he gets driven back 5 metres after which he gets help. Not the kind of tackle that's very helpful.

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In his last 12 runs JJ has beaten one defender....that's pathetic. Bring on Serfontein, these games require physicality....JJ is just not combatitive enough.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 00:28:02

Ou Maaikie does not even need a flyhalf in his teams. Unbelievable.


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 00:54:38

For a start I never bought into Lambie having a poor season for the Sharks, I never saw it. Sure he did not set the world alight but that was down to a shocking Sharks performance all round.

 

My point is that he is a far better rugby player than Morne and that in itself is enough to have me select Lambie ahead of Morne everytime.

 

Sorry but I dont recall a single clean break from Smith or tackle beaten. Jean has been no better than JJ with ball in hand and Serfontein certainly has not. A 13 cant go look for work when he has a job to do out wide. How the hell is JJ meant to make an impression when he receives little or no ball, thanks to his 9 & 10 kicking possession away all the time.

 

In a tight game like Saturdays, no centre made an impression and the anti JJ is misplaced. JJ has 4 tries in 10 tests, that's pretty impressive. JJ made all his tackles, Jean missed two and Serfontein missed one.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 01:11:05
Dave if you look at Retalliks try you will see Smith picking up the ball off the deck, beating a tackle and laying on the try. He was on the spot, reacted and executed. He has rugby instincts. Even in a tight game we can expect our centres to beat some tackles. JJ is totally wooden, scared to do anything unconventional. I was afraid of this.....if he isn't put away, he is going to be a non event.Look at the break Willie made...he had no more space than JJ had in his 5 runs, but he was elusive enough to crack the AB defence.....JJ by contrast gets stopped with ease.


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 02:53:58
The prima donna do at it again. Best to ignore the bloody fools.

A girl

Let me say - Mozart is tryiong to make out that Steyn made two bad kicks as if it happens once a season - where he got that argument from only the prima donna can tell us. No word about his other aimless kicks that allowed the All Blacks to counter-attack.

He obviously blames Engelbrecht for the poor backline performance. Just for the record here is Engelbrecht's ESPN stats:-

Engelbrecht 0/0 0 0/1/5 19 0 0 0 0 9/0 0/0 0 0/0

The useless old fart is trying to hide the fact that Engelbrecht handled the ball six times during the whole gme. He passed the ball once and the other five times he carried the ball for a gain of 3,75 meters per carry. Not as if he did not make a positive distance over the gain line - but Mozart will never admit that.

I also looked at Steyn's stats which reads as follows:-

Steyn 0/1 5 7/20/1 4 0 0 0 2 9/1 0/0 0 0/0

Mozart is dead quiet about the two cases where he caused the Springboks to lose possession of the ball, but concentrate on his one missed tackle - but what about the opther cases where he was standing around and did not even attempt to make tackles.

You must realize that the two prima donnas you have to deal with here - will never see anything wrong in Steyn and keep on harping how Lambie was poor in Super 15 and how good Steyn was. They have no facts t0 prove their case in any event. But facts never count with them - fabrication does.


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 04:00:40

So are you saying Steyn never had more metres, more defenders beaten, more clean breaks and more metres per carry than  Lambie in the S15? A simple yes or no will do, but in any case keep it short.


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 04:43:11
Mozart

You said Lambie was poor in 2913 Super 15 and now you come and asked me for the stats. I had a look at the Test Rugby stats - because thy are summarized already.

There is no indication that he was poor - he was very much on par in all respects with Steyn - that is insofar as tackle stats, and his kicking game is concered. The Sharks very often did not kick at goal - but went for corner kicks instead - so Steyn ovisously kicked more at goal.

What is conveniently forgotten is that Steyn missed 24 kicks at goal - Lambie missed 21. Steyn cause loss of ball possession 12 times - Lambie did it 11 times. Carry the ball forward - Steyn did it 39 times - Lambie did it 36 times. Steyn made 86 tackles - Lambie 82.

The above indicates very ;little to chose between the two players - but Lambie has better ball sense than Steyn and he has BMT - which Steyn misses out completely. . In crucial games - like the Super 15 semi and the game on Saturday - Steyn lost the plot completely.


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 05:16:04

Let me repeat the question.....are you denying that Morne had significantly more metres, more metres per carry, more clean breaks and more defenders beaten per carry....yes or no?


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 09:57:11
Mozart

Crap as per normal. Flyhalfs often enough falls back to collect high kicks and gain many meters that way. They carry the ball 10 meters or more and then kick - that gives them extra distances in carries - so the answer is - it is of very little significance in game evaluation. I am not even going to answer any further - only you would be stupid enough not to realize the above.


Ceradyne

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 10:41:14

I can understand why I Maaikie has such a big issue with MS. Fact is that ou Maaikie does not believe in having a flyhalf in his team. LOL.


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 12:33:44
Ceradyne

This is not about the issue that I by accident left out the no 10 when I posted the team and afterwards clearly indicate that Lambie is my choice at no 10. Has it entered your thick skull yet that it is a discussion on Morne Steyn and why he should be replaced? It is not my mistake that is being discussed - it is your bird brain support of Morne Steyn - is it not?


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 13:12:26
Disagree Moz, Conrad Smith has done nothing of note this Championship, he has been as solid as JJ has. Its tough for outside centres to make an impression and to start pointing fingers at him over nothing is clutching at straws.

JJ is anything but scared and has been good for the Boks at 13. Smith and Ashley-Cooper have been no better than JJ and that's a fact.

More to the point, the issue is Morne Steyn, the guy is a passenger in that side, much like Pienaar is.

We need Lambie at 10 and du Preez at 9 for the next two tests


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 13:16:27

Hahahaha. Ou Maaikie is getting kwaad kwaad kwaad when somebody else milks his mistakes in the same way that he does. He is so upset that he does not even spot the TIC remark.


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 13:41:31
OOm I ask you again....did Morne have more metres, more metres per carry, more defenders beaten per carry and more clean breaks per carrry than Lambie in the S15? Ah hell, you don't have the integrity to admit that, so I will for you......yes, yes he does.....by a clear margin.

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Lambie may fight his way back into a flyhalf role, but to parachute him in there ahead of Morne in these crucial tests is sheer madness.


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 13:55:09
Mozart

You still don't get it - that kind of stats are really meaningless because a huge amount of distance is covered when a flyhalf falls back and receive a high ball ran 10 or 15 meters and then kick it. It is similar to the kind of stats of Taute - when he caught the ball at full back - did not kick it - but ran iinto traffic and got tackled. Many meters gained with ball in hand - but nothing in fact achieved. However, to explain that one is really meaningless - because dunderhead is too stupid to assimilate it.

To keep Morne Steyn after his dismal game on Saturday - and his caving in under pressure - is sheer madness.


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 13:59:30

 

Not quite sure what all the booha's about anyway ... cause we've been playing with 14 men all along.

 

JJ contributes nada each and every match. I see him run on ... and then ... I see him run off. His jersey doesn't even look played in. It's not even soiled or stained with perspiration.

 

He doesn't even have a single hair out of place. It's as if he's just stepped from the shower.

 

Simply useless.

 

 


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 14:07:34
Oh so now Morne played fullback. You really are confused.....but tell me how defenders beaten per run and clean breaks per run are affected by this new theory of yours?


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 14:15:46

 

Meyer selected Kirchner for the purpose of taking the high ball. Nothing else. He did this well against the Wallabies but sadly lost the fight against the All Blacks.

 

Morne was selected ahead of Lambie because of confidence issues suffered during the Super Rugby this year. Obviously one would look toward the more confident of the two to start in a test match and bringing Lambie in at this stage of the Champiojnship would be crazy. 

 

If Lambie were to be brought in, I'd rather bring him in place of Kirchner ... not Steyn. Maybe then he could work up a little confidence and possibly challenge for the 10 jersey.

 

Yes I know he would be playing at 15 but my point is to give him more game time. 

 

Currently we have no one else in the country to even consider at 10.

 

 


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 14:31:39
I agree completely CC. In the last 3 games JJ has been a statue out there....typical of these fast guys who don't really enjoy contact. He either gets put away or disappears. Give me a trier like Serfontein any day.

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As forthe flyhalf situation, Lambie was virtually a basket case by the time the Sharks moved him to 12 and brought in Butch to salvage a little pride. Morne had an ordinary day at the office, except for that last brilliant kick which gets no mention at all and his fine tackle on Nonu. But he is still the only choice.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 14:38:11
Mozart

Are you a complete idiot - or just pretending to be one. I said many meters are gained by a flyhalf falling back to collect high kicks - got it through your thick skull yet?

OK to satisfy you - I went into ESPN and checked the first four matches played by Steyn and Lambie. in respect of Super 15 of each of the Bulls and the Sharks respectively. The results were -

Morne Steyn - made no clean breaks - beat no defenders and off-loaded 6 balls.

Lambie - made two clean breaks - beat 5 defenders and off-loaded 7 balls.

I really do not think it worth while to check all the games the two players played in sine there is a clear trend in the first four games played by each of the two players.


Ceradyne

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 14:57:31

The first four matches......................out of how many..................?


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 15:25:11

morne has never ever had a decent game against the real threats like the AB.......as his limited skillset is badly exposed. same as zane there is no way that they are the best in there position at all

 

one of the overseas based player i wont miss at all when SARU kwotas kick in.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 15:44:25

 

Regardless of all of the above comments by minute 43 we were not going to win. So the [removed] decision comes from Heyneke who had a golden opportunity to replace either Steyn or Kirchner (both of whom were passengers) with Lambie and give him a solid chunk of game time. If his confidence is shot he is not going to get it back on the bench. At least he would have added a new dimension and given the AB something to think about.


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 15:49:27
What new dimension? What you clowns just don't get is Lambie cant run in the flyhalf position...he is small, not particularly accelerative, has no step and can't bounce off tacklers. He is dead meat as a runner at 10, he never made one decent break the whole S15.. The runs he makes from 15 rely on his excellent reading of the game and hitting the ball at pace.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 15:54:31

 Please stay with Steyne ! He makes life so much easier in a one dimensional easy to read as a large print library book kinda way ! 


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 15:58:47
Your kind of book Wardad....the ones with the pictures and the nice big print. Hahahaha....all is revealed.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 16:03:50
Carpetmuncher

100% correct. Steyn do not have ball sense and is defficient in BMT (big match temperament) Crunch matches like on Saturday and in the Super 15 semi-final - Steyn goes AWOL or turn to rank stupidity - making school boy errors like missing a line kick from a penalty.

Mozart

Just one question - does Morne have a step and can' he bounces off tacklers? None that I have seen for years now. After Steyn's dismal display on Saturday Lambie could have made a difference if brought on. He certainly would not have been worse than Steyn was -- that was impossible.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 16:06:40

I am not talking about the run on side but to bring him on with 5 or 10 to go when the game was lost cuts right to the conservative approach that is going to hamper the Boks progression.

He has flair and vision which Steyn and Kirchner do not have and on a day when we had nothing to loose this was a missed opportunity. Just like keeping Pienaar on.  


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 16:12:01
Nothing to lose except confusing the flyhalf issue and knocking Steyn's confidence. Teams don't work like that. Subbing Steyn that early wasn't justified....Pienaar I can agree with, he had a shocker.


Wardad

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 16:15:12

 No Mozart I was reffering to the big book of " How we wuz robbed at Eden Park " and other Bok fan Fairytales !


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 17:31:09

steyn and pienaar has about as much flair as robert mugabe's suite tailors

 

@mike i agree with you 100% but the performances is once again masked away with other poor excuses in this case the refs bad calls


mozart

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 22:30:13
I'm pretty sure you will find Mugabe's suits come from Gieves and Hawkes or some other trendy Saville Row tailor. He certainly looks extremely well measured in all his suits.....unfortunately that is where the good stuff ends.


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 23:05:11

 JJ scared of contact........that is laughable. JJ has been no less effective than Conrad Smith or Ashely-Cooper in the RC and that is a fact. Same can be said of Jean, Nonu and Leo.

 

The notion that JJ is not producing the goods is utter nonsense......a 13 can only work with ball in hand, much like a wing.......when last did Habana contribute.

 

The only change that needs to be made at centre is bringing Serfontein in for Jean. But the urgent change that needs to be made is Lambie for Morne


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 16, 2013, 23:06:52

 Clown[removed] are you seriously commenting on the play of a centre........given you want Pat Howard as our Bok 13, do you seriously think you are in a position to comment on an outside centre you ignorant [removed]


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 08:54:36

 

NO ... NO ... NOOOOOO!!!! MudBlood you getting it all [removed]ed up again!!!

 

Clean out the wax and pay attention, will ya?

 

What you want, is to get rid of the chump ... not the star ... ok?? In other words the useless piece of [removed] that doesn't have talent and isn't able to contribute to the team. Like JJ for example. Not Jean  ... DUMBASS!

 

You got that now??

 

Serfontein is the obvious replacement, as he's the next Bok superstar and will go very far. I guarantee you he'll learn a lot from Jean in a very short period of time ... unlike JJ who's been playing along side Jean these last few seasons and has learnt exactly nothing from the Bok Captain. 

 

Damn right … Pat Howard is vastly superior to JJ “don’t upset my do” Engelbrecht and I am confident that he will be playing outside Serfontein in a few years.

 

Just as Boshoff’s superior to Quivering Elton “oh god help me to get this ball over” Jantjies ... who by the way will not amount to much in his life time ... hmmmm ...??? ... much like you fat son, huh!!

 

You [removed]ed up at scrummie as well ... no way you want to bring Francois “2 bounce pass” HouGat into the mix. Trust me ... he's a really poor choice. Rather go for a talented, skilled contributor like ... Kockett ... ok?? Getting the picture now?.

 

Let me know if you need any additional lessons ... ok ... glad to help out, Mudblood.

 

 


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 10:13:54
So Clown[removed] we have you giving us your wise take on JJ and a flyhalf and backing that up with your selections of Howard at 13 and Boshoff at 10……..its good to know that you are so damn stupid that you don’t even know it.

Keep up the good work……..the more you post, the greater my admiration for your ignorance and stupidity.

You are without doubt the poster with the least rugby knowledge I have ever come across and what makes it even better is that you are a complete twat


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 11:08:40

 

Mudblood … surely you can do a little better than that?

 

Common man!!!!

 

You post the same old horse[removed] every time ("you’re a stupid [removed] blah blah blah and you’re the most ignorant blah blah blah and then oh yes … you’re the most stupidest blah blah blah") … I find it difficult to read through the same old nonsense time after time.

 

So help me out a bit, Stupid  ... come up with something new.  Puhleeease!!!! 

 

Thanks.

 

 


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 12:18:55

I must say: There are a lot of idiots on this forum...

Yes boys, Pat Lambie is a great player. He is strong, his got pace, and best of all, he thinks with ball in hand (for the slow guy's out there... he's got vision).

CleanCut: Yes I agree with you that Howard is a great find, an awesome tallent,(and to be honest he is hard to defend against...) But you must admit that JJ does have a lot of potential... We have two great no.13's there.

A girl: Most of what you say sounds like drunk mumbling/ranting... but im would like to see Lambie get more time on the park... The is a reason why he bursted on to the scene...he is good! But at this moment he needs game time with a bit more space... so 15 would be a good option.

Boshoff is better than Jantjies. I know...

The big problem with the young guys are: they have not proven themselfes yet on the international level...but now the coaches has to understand: IF YOU NEVER PLAY THEM(1-10min is not playing!!!) THEY WILL NEVER PROVE THEMSELFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My big dream for the bok team is: Start Lambie at 15 (he could be the future bok 15 or even 10...mabe)

BUT if not: bring Lambie, Serfontein, and Coenie on with 15 to 25 min to go! Let them have a real run!

If by some bizare.... something... Zane is having a Blinder: PUT LAMBIE ON AT 10! FOR 15-25/30MIN NOT 3MIN!

 

So it was great seeing what this forum is... lot of strange people, but kind of fun...

 

Enjoy the rest of the ruby season!


Kuala

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 12:19:01

I must say: There are a lot of idiots on this forum...

Yes boys, Pat Lambie is a great player. He is strong, his got pace, and best of all, he thinks with ball in hand (for the slow guy's out there... he's got vision).

CleanCut: Yes I agree with you that Howard is a great find, an awesome tallent,(and to be honest he is hard to defend against...) But you must admit that JJ does have a lot of potential... We have two great no.13's there.

A girl: Most of what you say sounds like drunk mumbling/ranting... but im would like to see Lambie get more time on the park... The is a reason why he bursted on to the scene...he is good! But at this moment he needs game time with a bit more space... so 15 would be a good option.

Boshoff is better than Jantjies. I know...

The big problem with the young guys are: they have not proven themselfes yet on the international level...but now the coaches has to understand: IF YOU NEVER PLAY THEM(1-10min is not playing!!!) THEY WILL NEVER PROVE THEMSELFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My big dream for the bok team is: Start Lambie at 15 (he could be the future bok 15 or even 10...mabe)

BUT if not: bring Lambie, Serfontein, and Coenie on with 15 to 25 min to go! Let them have a real run!

If by some bizare.... something... Zane is having a Blinder: PUT LAMBIE ON AT 10! FOR 15-25/30MIN NOT 3MIN!

 

So it was great seeing what this forum is... lot of strange people, but kind of fun...

 

Enjoy the rest of the rugby season!


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 12:59:27

 

Haaaahahahahahahahaaaaa ... Kuala ... welcome.

 

Strange people here ... ??? Us .. ??? Never ... !!!

 

I see you've picked up on Drunk Dave (A girl) and his ramblings rather quickly ... could not have said it better.

 

Drunk Dave!!!!!! ... Waaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaa .... that really cracks me up.

 

He's going to call you a whole lot of names now so hopefully you can take it.

 

 


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 13:51:57
Clown[removed] you don't merit anything different.....I just like reminding you what a thick [removed] you are. Do you honestly think I would waste my time talking rugby with you.......bloody hell what's the point when you think Boshoff should be our Bok 10...........can it get anymore ridiculous?

Imagine actually having a rugby discussion with you. I'd get more input from a brick wall


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 13:52:54
Kuala, who the hell pulled your chain you ignorant twat.......piss off back to your cave


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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 14:00:19

 Hahahhaha by clown I take it you think hes funny too ?? I quite enjoy the many rejoinders that fly between you two ,quite entertaining ! I hope your lad is doing all right ,sounds ike the physical injury is going to heal first .And clunt having a crack at someones kid is very low class  and gives a fair indication of his lack thereof .


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 17, 2013, 14:10:13

 

Sooooooooo Stupid ... your chubby son injure himself?

 

What happened?? Pull a hammie when reaching for that persky plate of doughnuts ... huh???

 

Give the poor lad my best will ya!!

 

 

 


Kuala

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 09:40:19

Hahahaha always funny... Dis snaaks as mense met geen rugby kennis gekonfronteer word, want dan kan hulle net probeer beledig. Must say great comeback...

Ignorant? nee, miskien ingelig.

Haha thanks CC. But lucky for me, I dont care.

I do hope Pieter-Stef will be back in the squad soon...His an amazing talent!


clevermike

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 09:57:14
Kuala

Welcome on Board. I am one of the members who cannot stand the one-dimensional and predictable Morne Steyn's performances and some other selections of Meyer. However, I agree 100% with you on Pieter-Steph du Toit.,

Matter of fact I hope Goosen is back asap - and is hoping that Malherbe comes back soonest as well. We really needs improvement in certain components of the team. We do not need Steenklamp and Jannie is a real problem as well.


Kuala

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 11:34:17

Thank you CMike.

I played a lot of Northern Hemisphere rugby, and I like it.

1.)I like big physical confrontations at the ruck,

2.)I want a hard running 7 and 8

3.)I want my 2 and 6 to work together at ruck time

4.) I want my 10 to be a dictator with the boot,

5.)BUT I want my 15 to join the game, add vision, and to create space( like a second 10) for our 11,13,14 (who all have blistering pace)

6.) I want a 12 that reads the game, but is also able to make big, hard runs at the opposition

Yes, I know there is a lot of people who do not like this type of rugby, but I enjoy it...And when the BOKS are on fire, they play this type of rugby to perfection! And are pretty much unbeatable. If our 10 is on song...

Our forwards dominate the scrum, ruck, and line-out, Out 10 Solid and accurate with the boot, and 15 joining the line with pace.

Now all I want is for Morne to play like he did in the first game of the series... And I want Pat at 15, and Willie + Bryan on wings...

Pieter-Stef is a real gem... Ja, I must say Cmike, I can not wait for him and Eben to gel!!!!!!!

 

Johan Goose: Ja and Nee... I think he has a lot of skills!!! I love his game at the cheetahs and super level...but im not a fan of such a loose 10 at test level...(But I do hope he does well) I do not know everything about him, I have never played against him, or even met him...so Im not sure... But all I know is, I really want Pieter and Pat to have a proper go in test rugby.


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 13:22:03
Wow Clown[removed] you must feel really manly taking a pop at my little man who's injury is serious enough to have him miss the rest of the season.

S[removed] of the earth is too nice a term for you

Take your well wishes and shove them up your arse..........may you be blessed with a terminal illness!!


CleanCut

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 13:33:50

 

The hammie that serious, huh?

 

Oh well ... it's not as if they'll miss him ... the quota selections are usually just to make up the numbers any how.

 

Hope he doesn't get to chubby around the mid section while having his feet up.

 

Shame ... poor dear ... I really feel for the lad..

 

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 13:36:15
Cancer would be too kind to you!


carpetmuncher

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RE: Morne Steyn
September 18, 2013, 15:57:25

Kuala jy het nou net n tipe gameplan verduidelik wat klink asof jy iets uit n geskiedenis boek uithaal. rugby het verander. daai manier van speel is so oud dat geen span in die wereld meer so speel nie nie eers daai engelse wat nooit goed verander nie. so jy kan maar daai spel speel kyk maar hoe ver kom jy daarmee.

 

Morne steyn is the definition of everything that is wrong with the sa rugby development system and this has been the case ever since naas botha. not even naas kicked as much as morne. this obsession with kicking and defence and forward play has destroyed so many creative players over the years and the rot is still on....one average i get guys that even at older junior ages can even pass the ball with the wrong hand and they there decision making is so bad. i see this even at national level as well...guys want to play of slow ball or morne stands so deep that the defence lines pull and and just shift on the the next player on attack not by fault of there as its been drilled into there young minds from "laerskool" to take a hit go to ground and playing like donkeys 90% of the time.

 

things have changed a lot but you can see that even old morne does not kick as much as carter at times but the level of thinking and decision making of how and when and where to kick is huge. if mornes boot is off he offers zero to the team. where as carter and co has such a huge skillset that they are as close to a cricket like allrounder that you can find. carter always creates something even if its doubt in the defence's mind. morne on attack is as potent as a duck feather pillow.

 

lambie and goosen is the future but they cant pick themselves and need time to grow into the position.

 

 


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