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sasuke uchiha

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all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 10, 2013, 17:24:52

Match No.8 : New Zealand v South Africa
Date: 14 Sep 2013
Venue: Eden Park, Auckland, New Zealand
Referee: ROMAIN POITE
Assistant Ref 1: JEROME GARCES
Assistant Ref 2: FRANCISCO PASTRANA
TMO: GEORGE AYOUB

All Blacks

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Replacements:16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Tawera Kerr Barlow, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Charles Piutau
v
Springboks

15-Zane Kirchner, 14-Willie le Roux, 13-JJ Engelbrecht, 12-Jean de Villiers (captain), 11-Bryan Habana, 10-Morne Steyn, 9-Ruan Pienaar, 8-Duane Vermeulen, 7-Willem Alberts, 6-Francois Louw, 5-Flip van der Merwe, 4-Eben Etzebeth, 3-Jannie du Plessis, 2-Bismarck du Plessis, 1-Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements: 16-Adriaan Strauss, 17-Gurthro Steenkamp, 18-Coenie Oosthuizen, 19-Juandre Kruger, 20-Siya Kolisi, 21-Jano Vermaak, 22-Pat Lambie, 23-Jan Serfontein.

FORECAST FOR AUCKLAND

Saturday Evening Temperature: 13°C
Mostly clear with a chance of showers. Windy.



wallabies
1 James Slipper 2 Stephen Moore 3 Ben Alexander 4 Rob Simmons 5 Kane Douglas 6 Scott Fardy 7 Michael Hooper 8 Ben Mowen (c) 9 Nic White 10 Quade Cooper 11 Nick Cummins 12 Christian Leali’ifano 13 Adam Ashley-Cooper (vc), 14 James O’Connor 15 Israel Folau
Replacements: Saia Fainga’a, Scott Sio, Sekope Kepu, Sitaleki Timani, Ben McCalman, Will Genia, Matt Toomua, Tevita Kuridrani
v
argentina

15 Juan Martin Hernandez, 14 Horacio Agulla, 13 Gonzalo Tiesi, 12 Felipe Contepomi, 11 Juan Imhoff, 10 Nicolas Sanchez, 9 Thomas Cubelli, 8 Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 7 Pablo Matera, 6 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe, 5 Julio Farias Cabello, 4 Manuel Carizza, 3 Juan Figallo, 2 Agustín Creevy, 1 Marcos Ayerza.
Replacements: 16 Eusebio Guiñaz, 17 Nahuel Lobo, 18 Juan Pablo Orlandi, 19 Mariano Galarza, 20 Benjamín Macome, 21 Martín Landajo, 22 Santiago Fernández, 23 Lucas González Amorosino.

FORECAST FOR PERTH

Saturday Evening Temperature: 13°C
A mix of cloudy and clear skies with a slight chance of showers. Windy at times.  

 


Match
No.7: Australia v Argentina
Date:14 Sep 2013
Venue: Subiaco Oval, Perth, Australia
Referee: GEORGE CLANCY
Assistant Ref 1: ALAIN ROLLAND
Assistant Ref 2: GLEN JACKSON
TMO: VINNY MUNRO


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 10, 2013, 17:40:43

wassup peeps, :o)

tough luck on our very own olecruz for not making the team, fingers crossed we get to see him against playing at home, :o)

just a heads up but im going to include the expected forecats fof matches from now on, but will wait a little closer to the date so that it can be more accurate.
just using my selections as an example, had i been aware of the weather, theres a very good chance it may have effected my selections, in fact im sure it would have.

i will put it under expected forecast just underneath the last team vs named.

if my expected forecast is wrong, please submit expected forecast and link to site where u got this infomation like i have done here, :o)
auckland weather - www.weathercity.com/nz/auckland/
auckland weather - www.weathercity.com/au/wa/perth/
no link no update, :o)

thanks peeps and good luck with all ur teams both officially and fantasy, :o)


oimatey

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 10, 2013, 17:54:17

 Romain Poite huh? He pretty much lets the boys go at it at the breakdown - more of a free-for-all - so that it becomes a physical battle rather than a technical battle.

 

Read that he averages six scrum penalties a game, much higher than normal,  so scrum dominance will be of paramount importance in what should be a close game. 

 

 

 


clevermike

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 10, 2013, 17:59:27
Sasue

Thanks for the info - especially the weather forecast.

However, I am still in a mess as to selections. There are 5 AB's I had in the team last week - that presents me with no problems whatsoever - the 6th AB I had (Conrad Smith) - was really comparatively poor. I was playing around with the ides of replacing Hooper with Read - but have a feeling that Hooper may do very well against the Argentinians - so am not sure about that one.

I do not think it will be worth my while to make many changes to my squad for Foxsport this coming week and may yet end up with 5 AB's, 4 or 5 Springboks - as against the 3 I had last week. The change is likely to replace Smith with De Villiers - the rest is a toss-up.


wfunston

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 03:42:27

From fox sport..... 1 James Slipper 2 Stephen Moore 3 Ben Alexander 4 Rob Simmons 5 Kane Douglas 6 Scott Fardy 7 Michael Hooper 8 Ben Mowen (c) 9 Nic White 10 Quade Cooper 11 Nick Cummins 12 Christian Leali’ifano 13 Adam Ashley-Cooper (vc), 14 James O’Connor 15 Israel Folau

 

Replacements: Saia Fainga’a, Scott Sio, Sekope Kepu, Sitaleki Timani, Ben McCalman, Will Genia, Matt Toomua, Tevita Kuridrani

 

 


Rugganut

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 03:56:57

No the header should be one team named. Sasuke, if you read the other posts Tomas aka olecruz made the starting lineup. Wfunston thanks for naming the Aussie side which completes 2 of 4 teams named. Sausuke does not know that there are 4 teams in this competition and the difference between 'all' and 1.

I am sure when his boyfriend says put it all in only 1 goes in which he thinks is all as that is his all. Get it right mate.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 04:28:53

*update*

wallabies and Boks have been updated, :o)

rumour has it that olecruz is in the pumas lineup, but i havent been able to find an article or any news on the matter, so if anyone can post a teama nd link, it would be much appreciated, :o)

@rugganaut,
first of all im not ur mate, get ur own friends and stop pretending im urs.

secondly, ask anyone in the know how this thread works, so u dont look like the retard we all know u are.

and last but not least, didnt saffex tell u to go jump of a bridge??? what are u still doing here??? o_O


Rugganut

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 04:44:50

Read the posting on this site.

http://www.sarugby.com/news.cfm?newsid=24224

Suzuki : never take anything Saffex says seriously if you do you may become like him, which i could not bestow on my worst enemy. Now that you remind me are you a car or a motorbike ?


Boklogic

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 04:45:26

Sas, lets rather use metservice for NZL games : http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/auckland/auckland-central

 

They have been really good to me in terms of golf for my Saturday mornings. They give a pretty accurate rain prediction meter and at what times should see how much mm in rainfall. You wouldn't put your house on it but its generally pretty accurate.

 

So far, the weather predicted for Saturday is: Showers with increasing fine spells and likely to be a pretty chilly night. Friday night/Saturday morning I expect that to be changed and a bit more true!

 


wfunston

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 05:20:56

Come on rugganut. You should be thankful that Sasuke takes the time out of his day to regularly update these threads. I know I am. The forecast updates are a good addition


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 05:58:36

@boklogic,

the wather link i provided also says that there will be showers on saturday but only in the morning.
it will be sunny in the afternoon with a chance of light showers and the evening which is the most important indicates that it will be clear but windy.

the link u provided dosent give as detailed an info so i will not be using it but will be mointoring the situation carefully.

B+ for effort.

@rugganaut,
Rugganut

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 03:56:57
No the header should be one team named. Sasuke, if you read the other posts Tomas aka olecruz made the starting lineup. Wfunston thanks for naming the Aussie side which completes 2 of 4 teams named. Sausuke does not know that there are 4 teams in this competition and the difference between 'all' and 1.

I am sure when his boyfriend says put it all in only 1 goes in which he thinks is all as that is his all. Get it right mate.


 

here is the team named in the link u provided,,,

15 Juan Martin Hernandez, 14 Horacio Agulla, 13 Gonzalo Tiesi, 12 Felipe Contepomi, 11 Juan Imhoff, 10 Nicolas Sanchez, 9 Thomas Cubelli, 8 Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 7 Pablo Matera, 6 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe, 5 Julio Farias Cabello, 4 Manuel Carizza, 3 Juan Figallo, 2 Agustín Creevy, 1 Marcos Ayerza.
Replacements: 16 Eusebio Guiñaz, 17 Nahuel Lobo, 18 Juan Pablo Orlandi, 19 Mariano Galarza, 20 Benjamín Macome, 21 Martín Landajo, 22 Santiago Fernández, 23 Lucas González Amorosino.

where exactly does it say that our tomas is playing???

talk about running ur mouth and not getting the fact straight, yet again another fine example of the badly in need of help SA education system.

u have nothing of value to add to anything, and i will be referring to this dumb fuck moment of urs everytime u try to correct anybody on anything.

please shut up and do not refer to me anymore, ur so stupid, u can kill other peoples brain cells by having them read ur input which is radioactive mongery of the highest order.

that is a such a fail on every level that i am filled with so much shame to be even conversing with u, o_O


Rugganut

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 07:57:47

Talk about being selective when it suits you most. Seccond paragraph says :

'Amongst the backs, Tomas Cubelli comes in for Martin Landajo at scrum-half while on the right wing Juan Imhoff replaces Gonzalo Camacho who is ruled out with a dislocated shoulder sustained in los Pumas' 28-13 defeat to the All Blacks in Hamilton last weekend.'
 

I have bolded the name for you so you can read it. You should be filled with shame when you fail on every level even your IQ test. I dont think you are a Suzuki maybe an old Vespa at most.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 08:12:11

@rugganaut,

Rugganut

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 07:57:47


 

Talk about being selective when it suits you most. Seccond paragraph says :

'Amongst the backs, Tomas Cubelli comes in for Martin Landajo at scrum-half while on the right wing Juan Imhoff replaces Gonzalo Camacho who is ruled out with a dislocated shoulder sustained in los Pumas' 28-13 defeat to the All Blacks in Hamilton last weekend.'
 

I have bolded the name for you so you can read it. You should be filled with shame when you fail on every level even your IQ test. I dont think you are a Suzuki maybe an old Vespa at most.


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OMG, this is classic, talk about digging urself a deeper hole.

1) thomas cubelli was already in the squad i named.

2) ole cruz is not thomas cubelli, he is tomas lavanini, a lock not a halfback

kapish???

mongery of the highest order, u have foot in ur mouth disease plus an IQ that has a - in front of it.

please please please shut up and go jump of a bridge like saffex told u to.





FACE PALM!!!


Just_win

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 08:12:50

 Rugganut: I think you've got the wrong Tomas mate. Tomas Cubelli is a half back, that's not our man. Opps, I sense you are going to get schooled, lol


clevermike

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 10:50:25
I am rather worried about the Foxsport selections this weekend. That is after the previous weeks - where the

* Argenitnians gave the All; Blacks pack a rather hard time in Wellington,

* The same pack without Lobbe gave the Springbopks problems in Mendoza;

* The AB's forward pack outplayed the Wallabies in both tests; and

* The Springboks pushed the Wallabies back with ease last week.

The above means that the Wallaby forwards would have major problems against the Pumas on Saturday - and put into question the performance to be expected from Hooper, but also causing problems for the Wallaby backline performances. I have no confidence in Cooper at flyhalf in any event. I was hesitating about Hooper and am still not sure whether to change him for Messam or Read.

However - to change from Hooper to an AB loosie - may also not produce the required result - since both AB loosies mentioned can have problems against the strong Springboks forward pack. However, will wait ti;; the AB team has been announced before making up my mind on that one.


canrugby

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 20:49:05

All Blacks team is in.

 

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock.

 

Replacements:16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Tawera Kerr Barlow, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Charles Piutau


Shezza

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 21:40:54

 Is there a specific way you use the wildcard in Foxsport? I've just used mine, just wondering if there was a 'trick of the trade' sort if the thing with how you use it.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 22:07:14
[Post updated]

*update*

All Blacks have been updated, nice work boys and game on, :o)

@shezza,
no there is no specific way, its great for when ur in a jam with too many players in ur team not playing for various reasons or if u have serious trouble making the budget.
personally i dont think that RC/4nats even needs a wildcard, cos 6 transfers a week is plenty, especially if u use ur bench correctly, in the spXV tournament the wildcard was really handy, especially with all those rounds where only OZ teams played.
i might be using my on this week too,,,,,

@rugga-nought,
awfully quiet there, i hope the weight of all that stupid ur covered in hasnt made ur toothbrush completely useless now, o_O

though i do like it when stupid is silenced, :)


Shezza

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 11, 2013, 22:44:04

 Thanks bro, scrum half and loosies were hard to decide as well as deciding how to fit the Aussie players into my starting line up. Really frustrating how even though Louw put in a fantastic performance against the Wallabies he only received 6 points! I'll probably fall further down the ladder this round, my Saffa biasness has shone through!


oimatey

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 12, 2013, 00:10:12
Whew, cut it close with transfers in Testrugby.

Bissie Slipper Eben Whitelock Read Matera Carter Smith Lealifano Engelbrecht Savea Smith

Better get your transfers done ASAP as money is tight and player values will go up in a couple hours - especially for Engelbrecht and Matera who I think will be quite popular


canrugby

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 12, 2013, 00:27:22

Test rugby team:

Coles  Moore

Retallick  Fardy

Leguizamon  Read 

Sanchez   A. Smith

C. Smith   Lealiifano

Dagg   Savea

 

 


moolaa

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 12, 2013, 01:19:52

Rugganut's gone awfully quiet! He'll be telling us Thomas the Tank Engine's playing for the Argies next!!


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 12, 2013, 06:25:16

had three positions which needed changed and three transfers left, talk about cutting it fine, o_O

brought in coles for hore mainly cos of the $$$

and then had to decide between messam and englebrecht or nonu and matera and went for the latter, i have a lot faith in nonu, hope he dosent let me down this weekend.

testrugby team
FR: stephen moore, dane coles
LK: scott fardy, rob simmons
LF: keirean read, pablo matera
HV: daniel carter, morne steyn
CT: christain leilafano, maa nonu
OB: israel folau, julian savea

@oimatey,
yeah did my testrugby team as soon as i saw the All Blacks team, love that rush to get players while theyre cheap, lolz.


Boklogic

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 02:27:47

Sas, that budget weather site you are using says Saturday night will now be "Clear with the chance of showers and windy!"

 

Its like saying it will be calm with the chance of strong winds or it will be clear sunny day with chances of thunderstorms.

 

Anyway, that bloke from Metservice was on the radio this morning and he says it is looking to be a clear but cold night and a great night to be in the stands but bring a jacket as temperature will be in the single digits.


3ku1

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 06:48:07

 Hey sasuke or naru haha stop terriozing the bok fans got a soffen the blow for the hiding they well get on Saturday ;). Good team still worried that the boks may beat the Abs, the Abs werent so good last week albeit the conditions, but I think the Ab's might just be too good Abs by 5. And for everyone who does Fantasy heres my team.  OB: Folau (c), Savea, B Smith IB: De Villiars, Leiafano FH: JOC SH: White Backrow: Read, Vermulean, Legiuzamon Locks: Estebeth, Whitelock Hooker: Bismark/Coles Props: Figallo, Slipper

 


Just_win

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 06:52:52

 3ku1: Welcome mate! Good to see you here & good luck with you Fantansy team.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 11:32:46

*update*

weather has been updated for both games, :o)

@lucky luke,
wassup brother, about time the hurricane calvary showed up, all we need now is taps and triple threat is complete, :o)

anways good to see u and i hope u stick around, i say fudge u abs.com, even if they bring back the bloggin, this is my default rugby forum now, lolz.

moderators are awsome and heaps of awesome saffas here and while they mostly see things through green tinted shades, their love for rugby is on par with ours, :o)

@boklogic,
thanks for that bro, but best u leave that sutff for the experts, ur rugby credit rating is just not good enough to be taken seriously.
if u want to know how u got such a poor rugby credit rating, just ask siones uncle, LMAO, :oD

on the bright side. u havent reached a beeno rating, which is when ur bankrupt, so chin up bro, only need to live with ur rating for a few years, -_o


Cloudy

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 12:31:51

Don't upset our naru he does a fantastic job he's Mr Awesomeness of RUCKERS forum and welcome Luke more and more kiwis are gracing this board lol now all we need is wallaroo, blackboy and maybe Rucker...I really miss his humour and biting wit although naru I always have a chuckle at yours :) thanks for posting all the updates, the teams, the weather, the credit ratings, the all Dow index lol j/k you're onto it.  Auckland weather??  Cloudy Cloudy Cloudy haha


Boklogic

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 12:49:30

 Sas, you think you are so clever by saying that but have you done your homework to find out if im lying. I gave you the man's name. Saia Maile. I placed him in work at Etel in Avondale. Maintenance technician...Yes there is chance he has lied to me but I doubt it. He had more than enough evidence so go on big guy, go fill your boots..

 

Sione Lauaki..For fuck sakes..Give me a break...He was a half baked player.


Just_win

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 13:11:20

Hi Cloudy ;) how much are you picking the ABs to win by ? 


Rooinek

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 13:16:49

Smallcock, I'm guessing you're some kind of personnel agent . . . not really surprising considering it's a chick's job . . . but tell me, why are you blurting your client's name and employment status all over some random message board?


Cloudy

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 14:58:16

 Hey justwin I reckon ABS by 11 might be a little ambitious but Eden Park and Carter.....worth at least 20 points just there.  What say you?


blobbok

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 13, 2013, 15:10:18

Hey Bloklog, stop embarrassing us South Africans living in NZ .


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 14, 2013, 04:38:52

*update*

weather has been updated, :o)


sasuke uchiha

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RE: all teams named for RC/4nats rnd 4.
September 14, 2013, 04:49:00

cloudy daez ahead, always a good sign for the All Blacks as well as NZ and a bad omen for any opposition,

hoot hoot, :o)

@boklogic,
now now buddy, take it easy, :o)

surely deep down inside u there must have been something telling u that using siones uncle is a bad idea???
u reap what u sow hence ur bad rugby credit rating, so dont hate the player, hate the game.

and comments like this,,,
"Yes there is chance he has lied to me but I doubt it. He had more than enough evidence so go on big guy, go fill your boots."
dont help ur rugby credit rating one bit.
so u say theres a chance he lied, yet he had more then enough evidence??? o_O

tsk tsk tsk


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