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Denny

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It seems to me
September 10, 2013, 13:55:07

that Willie has taken to Test rugby like a duck to water....well now that he is in his right position as a wing. It's early days yet but there's a few things I like about him, for starters he brings a much needed dynamic to the back three, he thinks on his feet and is a good reader of the game. He can sell a dummy which proves that he is a double thinker and  although not express speed like Habana he does carry a bit of zip,I think he's just the type of player the Boks need going forward.

 


mozart

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RE: It seems to me
September 10, 2013, 18:27:13
Think Campese.....fast guys finish, clever guys unlock defences. Wing is the best position to deploy his talent.


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 10, 2013, 19:58:45

Disagree, Willie's best spot is 15 where he is able to roam and feed off more action. Often wings are left out to dry, you never have that issue with a fullback.

 

Willie should be our 15, for without him there we have to endure Kirchner.

 

I'd be happy to have Willie on the wing, if Taute was fit to play 15.


mozart

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RE: It seems to me
September 10, 2013, 23:06:53

I thought you wanted Taute to play 13, so he is our best choice at 15 and our second best choice at 13. Quite a compliment. 


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 10, 2013, 23:21:18

JJ is the best 13 prospect I have seen in ages, no-one in SA comes close.......his speed and feet are unrivalled.

 

Am a big Taute fan and he is comfortable at 15 or 13, with JJ at 13, logic dictates that he play 15. I'd want both in my starting 15. Taute would be my second choice 13 without doubt.

 

There are a number of promising young 13's about but sadly they are getting little exposure. Pat Howard made a great start to his CC career only to get injured and now we have de Jongh back in his place sadly.

 

The Lions had impressive Stokkies Hanekom who reminds me of Fourie, making waves, but he too is now injured.

 

The Sharks are playing Ludik out of position at 13 instead of investing in some of their youngsters like Tyler Fisher and Esterhuizen, the Bulls are playing Murray instead of Baby Bok, Dries Swanepoel or Rohan Janse v/Rensburg..........these youngsters should be playing

 

 


mozart

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 00:06:46

 Gosh and there I was thinkiIng Taute is heavier and slower than Fransie.....with one move, an inside step. After which he falls down when touched by any defender.


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 01:05:13

Taute will be back to play many tests for the Boks..............I dont get your take on him at all. Meyer is a big fan so my guess is that he will be proving his detractors wrong much like JJ has.


Sharkbok

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 01:20:31

If Taute plays the same way he did for the Stormers this year before injury he will not make the Springbok match day squad. 

 

His only option going forward is at fullback, but based on what he delivered for the Stormers it is just not up to standard. 

 

He is not a center full stop and this debate ended amongst the educated long ago. He is a creatine crashball at center and just does not have the brains to play in this positon.

 

Jean, JJ and Serfontein can cover the 2 center positions, and other players are better than the Taute

 

I doubt that Meyer is a big fan of Taute as his kicking game at fullback is not great.

 

 

If Frans Steyn was fit and in top form he would probably be the starting 15. He has many of the attributes that Meyer looks for from a player. 

He has a massive boot and is the biggest back in South Africa. Meyer likes a fullback that has a strong kicking game as this helps with the territorial battle.

 

Lambie is also an option at 15 where he could end of at the Sharks again. He has a much better kicking game, but is also a far more intelligent player than Taute.

 

 

 

 


mozart

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 03:07:26

Dave last I saw JJ he was missing Bosch for a nearly fatal try in Mendoza. I say that because frankly last week I never saw him at all, missing all 2 metres he gained! I wouldn't be too sure he has proven anything yet....the jury is out.


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 14:11:41
Reality is.....Bosch was not JJ's man, the inside defender was Jannie. JJ only missed him as he had to adjust from defending the outside channel.

As for last week, JJ got little ball and did well with the ball he got. He also never missed a single tackle. An outside centre can only do something with ball in hand.

The jury is not out as far as Meyer is concerned.........JJ will be our 13 for years to come and rightly so. He will go down as our best 13 since Gerber.........he has far more attacking clout than Snyman, Mulder, Joubert and Fourie. His partnership with Serfontein will be our best since readmission


mozart

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 14:21:57
So now Meyer is your benchmark Dave? Man you really confuse me. What I have seen so far is a centre who has clear strong points on attack....pace, a step and being hard to pull down. I haven't seen any signs of creativity or an ability to get involved when the opportunity isn't put on a platter. In short a finisher, not a creative type. Defensively he seems to have improved his tackling technique, which is good. But when he is left to make a defensive decision he looks like a deer in the headlights.....as he did with the Bosch try, which was his fault.....and as he did with the Bargie consolation try in RSA, which was also his fault.

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How this mix of strengths and weaknesses works out is unclear to me. I remain optimistic, but unconvinced. Perhaps this weekend he will show us some defensive nous and the ability to do something more than run fast through wide open space.


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 22:52:58

 No Meyer is not the benchmark but he is certainly not a complete fool......he has got many selections right like Coenie, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Coetzee, Goosen, Serfontein, JJ, Taute and Willie.......who represent our new players.

 

My call is that he needs to invest more in these types of selections and dispense with the likes of Kirchner, Morne, Pienaar, Kruger and Steenkamp.

 

As for the Bosch try, you are wrong.......Bosch was Jannie's man......the inside player always has the responsibility of taking the attacking player heading between defenders......it was a mismatch.......centre on prop........by the time JJ woke up to that fact it was too late. But one certainty is that Bosch was not JJ's man.

 

As for the Argie try in SA........that had nothing to do with JJ......JJ was faced with a 3 on 1......hardly fair odds and hence the hesitation in not bringing the ball carrier down immediately. Moz, you've played the game......a 2 on 1 creates enough doubt in a defender......3 on 1 takes it to another level.

 

JJ is without doubt a finisher and not a creator in the conventional inside centre sense. He is not the kind of player who is going to be sniffing out gaps or putting players into space with great hands. But then again he is not a 12. His creativity is a different measure.......he will put players into space through sheer pace, a great step and the art of running good lines......the perfect attributes for a 13.

 

Its his job to run off the creativity of a 12, to continue the attack and put his wings or fullback into space. His skill set to do this is better suited than any other 13 I can think of. He is only at the start of his 13 journey, he will get even better once he is settled and has a few hard tests behind him.

 

You cant beat pace and great feet at 13, its exactly what Danie Gerber was about.


Ceradyne

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 23:59:42

Well what do you know?

Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 11, 2013, 22:52:58


 No Meyer is not the benchmark but he is certainly not a complete fool......he has got many selections right like Coenie, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Coetzee, Goosen, Serfontein, JJ, Taute and Willie.......who represent our new players.

 

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Saffex

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RE: This HM chappie.....
August 12, 2013, 13:33:44
Shezza you are wrong. Meyer had stuff all excuses. His conservatism and out of touch game plan cost us. The 58% record is flattering, we were awful for many of our tests in particular the end of year tour where we struggled to beat a depleted and over the hill Irish side and then struggled against the mighty Scotland!

We might have had some injuries but we had more than enough talent to choose from to do a better job than Meyer did last year with his selections.

We might have forgiven him for his first year in charge but when his selections this year appear just as conservative and clearly indicate he is going to stick with his pathetic kick and chase game plan then quite frankly the man has no excuse and one can only conclude he is either too stupid to learn and evolve or is just pigheaded and intents sticking with his plan no matter what. I suspect its a combination of both.

Meyer has been a massive disappointment, I had high expectations, his latest squad is an insult and does not reflect the strength of SA rugby.

 

   

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Saffex

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RE: Meyer is a nightmare
April 10, 2013, 14:45:46

 

The guy is doing Bok rugby a disservice

 

   

 

Saffex

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Bok match 23 is completely wrong
August 30, 2013, 14:44:48
Our Bok 23 is 50% of what it should not be and our displays to date under Meyer mirror this. Let’s face it we have had two good games under Meyer and for the rest we have scraped by against mino’s for the most. Its just not bloody good enough and instead of looking forward to our displays, I sit with trepidation expecting the worst given how damn average our side is on paper.

How can Meyer get it so wrong? For crying out loud we have been calling for his selection for years only to be let down like no other coach given the high expectations.

In the starting 15………Basson, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Strauss, Jannie, Kruger, Louw. Alberts and Vermeulen are not the best in their respective positions……some of them are not even close……….on the bench, Steenkamp, Flip and Vermaak are not the next best……..that is a total of 13 wrong selections out of a match 23.

Its beyond comprehension that anyone can actually think Meyer is getting it right. Lets talk post the Championship when we are 4-0 down against Oz and NZ with this current side that sells us well short.

I have never been more disappointed in a coach than Meyer. The likes of PDV was a clown and we expected nothing from him, we cant say the same of Meyer for he seemed to have pulled the wool over our eyes for years.

I for one would like to see Meyer sacked, he is not up to the job in terms of selections and game plans

 

   

 



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Meyer is clueless
August 04, 2013, 11:26:32

Mark my words this man does not have a clue. He is so single minded and is not capable of thinking outside the box. The selections do not come more conservative than the shit he has just dished out -

 

Kirchner, Basson, de Jongh, Morne, Pienaar, du Preez, STEENKAMP!!!, J.Kruger, Flip, F.v/d Merwe, Alberts.........give me a bloody break.

 

Meyer is a clueless coach and his selections really piss me off. Sack the bastard post the Championship for we wont beat Oz or NZ and we might scrape past Argentina.

 

That is a piss poor conservative squad.

 

   


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 09:55:08
And your point is what Vlag, you useless prick


Ceradyne

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 10:08:58

Call me what you like, but the big prick around here is yourself. What was the title of that song again? Tom Tom turnaround..........

 

"Tom Tom turn around, don't ever let me down...

Tom Tom's alone in a world of his own ..............."


Papamoa

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 10:12:44
um....ha like he is having a conversation with himself. Nice one Saffa. Keep it up very entertaining, you have any puppet tricks.


CleanCut

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 10:15:09

 

There goes ol Mudblood again ... talking through his arse.

 

What's new!!!!

 

Poor prick doesn't know his arse from is elbow when it coms to rugby.

 

Hows that fat son of yours? Is he also on the dole?

 

Give the washout my regards will ya!!!

 

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 13:17:04
Why is that Vlag, have you somehow reached the conclusion that I have changed my mind on Meyer?


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 13:20:12
Ah we have ClownCunt voicing an opinion on rugby.............what a bloody joke, the same tosser who also voiced his anti Meyer.

ClownCunt you are so stupid that you don't even realise it.

I have never come across anyone who sticks their foot in it more than you do.

First it was the worst Bok selection ever and now its my take on Meyer when you yourself voiced the same.

How fucking thick can one man be???


blobbok

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 13:37:37

Dave, can you please stop using the C word, my kids especially the meisies say, Daddy why is the angry man such 'n vuil uil .


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 13:49:33
Your kids should not be reading a rugby messageboard


carpetmuncher

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 17:26:43

willies best position should be 15....give him much more range to enter the backline at will also give hom more chance to be in the game as on the wing your to a extend give less freedom.

 

willie is rare talent and deserves his spot.....another player that was not picked in the stormers pool due to the WP rubbish recruitment policies. as any boland based player is automaticly overseen. there is droves of talent just like willie here in the boland. rugby rich area of south africa.


Ihi

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 17:33:28

i dont get it, you guys give kirchner flak but willie makes loads of mistakes and you want him at 15? he is terrible at fullback. the kid is talented for sure but putting him on the wing solves a lot of problems for the boks and takes away those fatal errors that could have cost the boks mendoza! he is going to be the next great bok wing if he is left to bloom there.


carpetmuncher

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 17:40:47

i agree to disagree. at 15 he can slot in at any moment and the freedom of that will only benefit his natural vision and feel for the game.....on the wing that vision is wasted.


Ihi

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 17:46:36

mate if he could cut out the errors i think he woukld be fantastic at 15 but i just think he is way more accurate and natural at 15. at least you guys have versatility in him so thats always good.


carpetmuncher

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 17:57:31

at least he have options...i would rather sit here and argue to what he needs to play than sit here and say we dont have a player like that in SA......

 

once again the hawies fourie backline clinic produces another chem for SA rugby,....well done cheetahs and well done griquas for spotting this talent.


blobbok

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RE: It seems to me
September 12, 2013, 23:03:56

Dave, thanks for taking the time to reply, but my beautiful 12 y.o daughter said that I must tell you that she does play rugby & the uncle stinks .


Saffex

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RE: It seems to me
September 13, 2013, 00:03:58

 Tell your daughter rugby is not for girls and only lesbians play rugby!


CleanCut

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RE: It seems to me
September 13, 2013, 12:19:52

 

And so Stupid's hypocrisy shows itself ... again.

 

Tell me, Mudblood  ... is it really necessary to be an arsehole 24/7?

 

Take a break sometime, will ya!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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blobbok

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RE: It seems to me
September 13, 2013, 12:41:51

Its ok CC, but thanks, I've told her to avoid reading anywhere near the uncle Saffex who's a kak fence builder .


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