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steinlager1

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Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 28, 2013, 09:38:18

 

Super Rugby champions the Chiefs and Heineken Cup champions Toulon will play each other in World Club Championship match at the start of February 2014.

The match is being driven by Heineken Cup champion's Toulon's president Mourad Boudjellal who is calling the match as the 'World Cup of Clubs'.

 

Officials from SANZAR and European Rugby Cup (ERC) Ltd who manage Super Rugby and the Heineken Cup respectively have yet to confirm the match but French newspaper Midi Olympique claims the two clubs have agreed on February 2nd for the showdown.

The venue for the match will be either in Nice's Allianz Arena or in Monaco's Stade Louis II stadium.

Toulon have no Top 14 matches planned for that weekend and the Chiefs will be in their pre-season warm ups.

Boudjellal revealed plans for the match last month but ERC said that they would not sanction the match and added that Toulon would not be able to play as Heineken Cup champions without their permission.

"Under the terms of the European Rugby Cup participation agreement that they signed before the competition, the clubs do not have the right to play such a game as European champions especially against the winners of the Super 15 , it is stated in the agreement," said ERC president Jean-Pierre Lux last month.

 

"I totally understand that he wanted to do something, but Mr Boudjellal does not have the latitude to organise such a game."

"It's a good idea. We have long been in discussion with SANZAR to set up a match like this but it faces the problem of the calendar."

The February date of the match means that any French internationals will not be able to play as France play England on February the 1st.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 28, 2013, 21:35:48

how has this not got any comments, this is freaking HUUUGE!!! o_O
 
i know saffas here might not be so keen cos of their lack of spXV success (well all of super rugby for that matter, tehehe), but spXV champs vs heineken cup champs, thats massive,
 
theres a lot of pros and cons going on here and if the club championship which rugby league has annually is anything to go by, the chiefs/SH team wont find it easy.
 
some key points regarding both teams though is,,,,
 
- toulons  are in the middle of a season, meaning players will be very match fit compared to the chiefs who will be in preseason mode
 
- but being in the middle of the season means they run the risk of injuries and suspensions 
 
- toulon will be mssing their 6nat players that weekend which include castrioi giovanni, michilak, basterdau, mermoz, palisson, 
 
- toulon is in the same time zone as SA, meaning all the chiefs players will be use to that leg of traveling, it is a greater distance though, but nothing that cant be fixed by leaving for france earlier and giving players the time to adjust
 
- toulon are use to juggling players between top14 and the heineken cup, and with both teams wanting to win such a significant event, toulon will IMO adjust their team accordingly the weeks prior in anticipation for the chiefs.
 
all in all an even affiair IMO. man i cant wait, hope the chiefs pull this one of for all of the super rugby franchises, :o)
 
GO THE CHIEFS!!!


Sharkbok

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 28, 2013, 21:54:50

 Most of Toulons best players are South African ex Boks and this is of course why Toulon

are the undisputed top club season after season in the Northern Hemishpere.

 

South Africa is the main feeder country of Southern Hemishpere talent into Northern Hemispere clubs, and even countries.

 

Bryan Habana is their latest signing as the highest paid outside back in world rugby.

 

With the rand getting weaker and Hieneken Meyer choosing more and more players from overseas, we could see Toulon become the best club in World Rugby- like Manchester United, Real Madrid etc.

 

Go Toulon!!!!


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 00:05:30
Sharkbok, you are making a fool of yourself. First of all the most Toulon have a squad of 38 players. Seventeen of them are French. The most of them are definitely not South African. In fact there are fve South African players and that include Michael Claassens who has just joined them from Bath, and Bryan Habana who is yet to play a league game for them. Now to surprise you even more. There are exactly five New Zealanders in the Toulon squad as well.

Your second balls-up is that Toulon is the undisputed top club in the NH season after season. They have not won the French Top 14 since 1992. Since Toulon won it in 1992, Toulouse has won it nine times. The current champs are Castres. Toulon won the Heineken Cup for the first time ever, in May this year. Toulouse has won it four times, and the only other French club to have won it was Brive in 1997. The only other European countries to have Heineken Cup winners was Ireland (eight times) and England (six times).

In addition I don't know if you watched the final of the Heineken Cup final in May, but it was not quite such and overwhelming win for Toulon. It was, in fact, a very close and hard fought 16-15 victory, won for Toulon by Johnny Wilkinson's accurate kicking boot. Toulon was trailing for most of the match and it was only within the last 20 minutes, IIRC that they got in front with their only try and a conversion by Wilkinson. If I am not mistaken, Clermont scored two tries.

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to knock Toulon. In fact. Like you (apparently) I am also a Toulon fan. I just think that you are a bit reckless with the facts.


Sharkbok

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 00:16:30

 @Ceradyne. We can allways rely on you to add your pedantic comment with eagerness to correct minor details.

Were you perhaps a library monitor in school?

 

I said most of their "best" players.

I was talking about Bakkies, Habana, Joe Van Niekerk (whom I believe is the captain). Yes Habana will be available to them for the game next year and his signing for Toulon has been on the cards for years. 

 

They have also got quality internationals like Wilkinson, Matt Giteau

I am not sure how long the current owner has been running Toulon, but he will be pumping more money into them and I expect their legacy to grow. 

With the SA currency weakening, I expect more SA players to sign with them. 

 


moolaa

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 00:21:54

You awake from your dream yet Bullsharkbok? You've been caught out badly there son! Now everyone's going to dive for Wikipedia when you broadcast something!!


oimatey

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 02:46:28

This would be awesome. I hope they can pull it off.

 

Why do all sports administrators have Napoleon complex's ? "Uh no, you can't do that .... you have to ask my permission first!"  

 

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 05:12:30

@sharkbok,

"Most of Toulons best players are South African ex Boks and this is of course why Toulon are the undisputed top club season after season in the Northern Hemishpere."
yeah cos the saffa players have brought nothing but tremendous success for their super rugby, TriNat & RC/4nat teams, LMAO, :oP
 
"South Africa is the main feeder country of Southern Hemishpere talent into Northern Hemispere clubs, and even countries."
using all clubs in the heinken cup squads both in th elast season and current one, u can see there are more kiwi players then SA players almost a whole rugb teams worth more of players, this trend IMO would continue in the main nations comps.

heineken cup 2012/2013
SA players x 51
NZ players x 64
 
heineken cup 2013/2014
SA players x 54
NZ players x 68
 
there are also way more kiwi players in the national teams around the world, there were even more  kiwis in the british and irish lions then scots, o_O

it wouldnt surprise me to find that there are more kiwi players in the manu samoa and australian rugby teams then SA born players playing in all other countries minus the Boks of course combined.

@creyadyne,
leave sharkbok alone, thats my toy, :o)


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 05:54:13

possible chiefs team vs toulon (minus 6nat players)
1 jamie mackintosh, 2 hika elliot, 3 ben taumafuina, 4 mike fitzgerald, 5 brodie retallick, 6 taniera latimer, 7 sam cane, 8 liam messam, 9 tarewa kerr barlow, 10 aaron cruden, 11 asaeli tikorotuma, 12 andrew horrel, 13 tim nani williams, 14 tom marshall, 15 gareth anscombe
16 mahorni schwalger, 17 paluisi manu, 18 ben afeaki, 19 olecruz, 20 nick croswell, 21 agustine pulu, 22 robbie robinson, 23 bundee aki
 
vs
 
1 andy sheridan, 2 sebastian bruno, 3 carl hayman, 4 bakkies botha, 5 ali williams, 6 dannie rossouw, 7 juan lobbe, 8 chris masoe, 9 sebastian tillous borde, 10 johnny wilkinson, 11 bryan habana, 12 matt giteau, 13 rudi wulf, 14 drew mitchell, 15 delon armitage
16 benjamin noirot, 17 levan chilachava, 18 florian fresia, 19 joclin suta, 21 joe van neikerk, 21 steffon armitage, 22 nicolas durand, 23 david smith
 
even when i took out the 6nat players from toulon, they still look freaking strong as a mofo, o_O
had trouble filling in some of the toulon positions as i wasnt familiar with the ones i brought in to replace the 6nat players, but even the french bench is formidable, i guess it does pay to spend the big bucks.
 
this chiefs team can give any team trouble and to think there is a strong possibility that SBW and kane thomoson might be playing next year for them too.
both would be automatic inclusions bumping horrel to the bench for bundee and cane to the bench with messam going back to 6 and latimer to 7 with thompson back at 8.
 
pretty scary considering this possible chiefs team cant fit the likes of bundee aki if those players do sign for the chiefs 2014 season.


redsman

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 06:58:06
Cant see how this is really going to be up to standards because of seasonal difference & lack of NH international players. Compared to soccer champions league - you have ALL the best players playing toward back end of season so match fitness and form at peak - makes for outstanding spectacle... anyway good hitout for previous years champs but add the travel and injury risk -

IT will be interesting to watch but think week 1 S15 more interesting.


steinlager1

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 07:18:48

Red the Queensland Reds are a bit of a bogey team for the Chiefs.

The Chiefs get to the Gold Coast and think they're on holiday for some reason. 

So i can see how you can be aggrieved that no Aussie team was invited to play the best of the best when the Reds keep beating the Chiefs.

 

But good on the Chiefs to be recognised outside NZ for being a champions side.

Will only expand their fan base and maybe Rennie might inspire a few players from up there to play for him.

 

That said the Chiefs had jacked up a game against Argentina for this year and it fell through so nothing is set in concrete yet as far as the Toulon game goes.

It may not even eventuate.


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 09:50:06
Nice try, Sharkbok. Trying to hide your egg face behind the word "best", aren't you? I am not being pedantic. Your entire post is a load of bulldust and you have added fuel to the Kiwi fire by your bull[removed]ting.

At the time that they played the Heineken final, there were three South African players in the team. Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw and Joe van Niekerk. Joe van Niekerk played off the bench and he is not the captain any more. Johnny Wilkinson is the captain and he was also the captain in the final. I would rate the entire starting 15 as their "best players" and amongst them were South Africans, Bakkies and Danie. There were four England players, Johnny Wilkinson, Delon Armitage, Nick Kennedy and Andy Sheridan. Three NZ'ers, Chris Masoe, Rudi Wulf and Carl Hayman.

Your mistake was trying to prove that the South Africans are the kingpins in Toulon, and in fact the NH. Yes, I agree that Bakkies Botha and Danie are amongst the supporters' favourites but saying that the most of their best players are South Africans are plain BS.


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 13:13:15

Sasuke I have, for a long time, had the opinion that the NH rugby is slowly but surely catching up with the SH. I have noticed, and mentioned it, more than two years ago. One can argue that the French teams are not gaining anything by loading their clubs with overseas players but I believe that the skills and way of play have to rub off on the rest of the local players, resulting in the improvement in their rugby. Even though we like to believe otherwise it is not a simple walk-over when the SH sides go to Europe on their EOYTs anymore. Look what happened at the end of 2012 with SA, NZ and Aus. Add to that the B & I Lions tour to Aus. In the past the Lions were almost nowhere and yet this time around they clobbered the Aussies.



As you have said, Toulon can still field a very strong side. Even without their National players. And the same goes for probably most of the European sides. It is, IMO,  a joke to compare the European competitions to the the SH domestic competitions. The reason for that is simple. At no stage, during the European competitions are the teams really depleted like the SH sides are at times. When the TN games are being played, the clubs do not have all their national players available but they still have all their international players at their disposal. I am not sure about Aus and NZ but it is well-known that all the Bok Players are pulled out of the CC during the RC and then the "Big Teams" struggle without their stars. That does not happen in the NH.
 


The other benefit of the way that the NH competitions are structured is the fact that they do not have different sides for different competitions. What I am trying to say is that while the S15 is taking place, we have the Vodacom Cup competition in SA which is virtually two steps down from Super Rugby, and it is played with complete different sides. In the NH that does not happen because the same sides that play in the Heineken Cup play in the domestic competitions as well.


nukefreekiwi

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 13:37:18

Lol, shark[removed] is so enamoured with the myth of SAn supremacy he conveniently dismissed the facts well known to most Kiwis and then hoped like a prized prat that no one would call him on his bull[removed]. It's no secret that NZ players are found in far greater numbers in winning foreign and domestic teams than their Saffa doppelgänger s.  I'm just embarrased for him that he genuinely thought he could pass that fib off as fact and hoped no one would call BULL[removed].  Come on chump, leave the serious adult talk to your smarter compatriots and ALL NZers.  Odds are they're far more knowledgable  than you and don't rely on fictitious tales to boost the national psyche. Shame. No wonder SA rugby is in such a dire state when your national egos are artificially inflated by poorly crafted fairytales.   Hehehehe.  


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 22:22:56

@ceradyne,

i agree that NH are catching up especially on club level, im very impressed with some of the team they have over there, but IMO theres still a huge gap between the NH and SH on the international stage.

its true there was some nice victories on the EOYT like frances smashing of the wallabies and my All Blacks getting a good enlgish whipping, but the Boks won all three of their tests and the bledisloe nations still won 3 from 4 meaning the SANZAR countries and the top 3 in the world at the time won a total of 9 from 11 tests.

the june tests that year saw the wallys lose to scotland but whitewash the 6nat grandslam champs wales, ireland get whitewashed by the All Blacks, and the Boks won their their series with a 2 win 1 draw over england, thats 8 from 10 tests including no losses to the SANZAR superpowers.

so SANZARs 2012 record vs 6nat teams is 17 wins 1 draw and 3 losses
2011 - 5 wins, 1 loss
2010 - 19 wins, 3 losses
2009 -14 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses,

still think theres a way to go on the internationl level, NH still havent found consistency.

i know what u mean about the CC and NZs ITM, but the All Blacks dont really play in the ITM which is the next big level after spXV.
instead All Black staff use the ITM as a way to keep players match fit, usually by sending the fringe players in there after training with the All Blacks like the All Blacks did with keven mealamuand dane coles the week before,and laso to help players get into things after a long injuryu lay off etc.

the top elite players the McCaws and carter for example would never play in the ITM, but the domestic comps of the NH have a very similar attitude to the CC teams, will play their top players when they can.

OZ dont really ahve a domestic comp, but i think NZRU should invite the exisisting OZ spXv teams to send in make shift team of their respective franchises to compeet in the ITm, it means reformatting the ITM, but it will give it both a much needed breath of frehs air and also give the aussies much need top level games outside of the spXV, cos theres nothing but the wallabies and spXV in australia.


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 30, 2013, 10:03:50

@Sasuke.

"........but IMO theres still a huge gap between the NH and SH on the international stage."  That is why I said that they are slowly catching up. It is slowly but it is happening. The NH has also made progress on JRWC level, and that is another clear indication that things are starting to come together. Last year we had an all-SH final and this year it was a NH affair with the 2012 finalists fighting it out for 3rd and 4th place.

 

"......but the Boks won all three of their tests and the bledisloe nations still won 3 from 4 meaning......" It would be a complete fool who would not recognise that we had quite a few scary moments and a bit of luck as well.

 

"......but the All Blacks dont really play in the ITM which is the next big level after spXV." It is the same with the CC. That is why I say that it is foolish to believe that the NH domestic competitions are at the same or lower level as the CC and (going by what you have say) the ITM.

 

"........the top elite players the McCaws and carter for example would never play in the ITM, but the domestic comps of the NH have a very similar attitude to the CC teams, will play their top players when they can....." The top elite players in SA see very little of the CC competition. They only get into it right at the tail end, provided that there second stringers could manage to keep the things going in the absence of the "top elite players". So, the CC still does not get to the level of the NH domestic competitions. You just do not see players to the likes of a Bakkies Botha or a Johnny Wilkinson, etc playing in the CC or the ITM, during the the times that the RC is running, but you see them playing for their respective clubs during the times that the 6N tests are being played. During the 2012/2013 6N tests the French domestic clubs would feauture the likes of Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, etc, etc. Francois Louw, during that time will still be running out for Bath and will keep on doing that for the next three years. You do not see that calibre of players in the CC, and that is the point that I am trying to make.

 

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 12:07:46

@ceradyne,

"That is why I said that they are slowly catching up. It is slowly but it is happening. The NH has also made progress on JRWC level, and that is another clear indication that things are starting to come together. Last year we had an all-SH final and this year it was a NH affair with the 2012 finalists fighting it out for 3rd and 4th place."
agree to disagree, IMO its the same as it has always been, SH kick NH buttm while the NH win a solid test every now and then, and when i say a solid test i mean against the SANZAR powerhose nations. its been that way pretty much for ever.
2013 JWC was a good victory for the NH, but one all NH final dosent hold much weight when u consider that theres only been 6 of them with 5 titles in SH corner thanks to NZs 4 and SAs 1.
consistency will start to convince me of this NH progress, otherwise 2013 will be IMO a one hit wonder. with the 2014 tourny in NZ, i will be impressed if a NH team can win it, cos im expecting the boys to get a major boost from the locals like SA did last year.

"It would be a complete fool who would not recognise that we had quite a few scary moments and a bit of luck as well."
i dont really subscribe to that line of thinking, for me the win is the bottom line. when a team wins regardless of all the issues that went wrong when they played, they and their fans should be stoked cos regardless of what boxes havent been ticked on their to do list, their objective has achieved, everything else is just things to work on, its why while i dont think meyer is doing the right thing with his selections, folks here are a little too errrrrrrr ansty, they should remember he has a 100% win record to date regardless of everything else.

"The top elite players in SA see very little of the CC competition. They only get into it right at the tail end, provided that there second stringers could manage to keep the things going in the absence of the "top elite players". So, the CC still does not get to the level of the NH domestic competitions. You just do not see players to the likes of a Bakkies Botha or a Johnny Wilkinson, etc playing in the CC or the ITM, during the the times that the RC is running, but you see them playing for their respective clubs during the times that the 6N tests are being played. During the 2012/2013 6N tests the French domestic clubs would feauture the likes of Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, etc, etc. Francois Louw, during that time will still be running out for Bath and will keep on doing that for the next three years. You do not see that calibre of players in the CC, and that is the point that I am trying to make."
ive never thought comps up north were better then the CC or ITM i even think the top teams are just as deadly as the spXV top teams.
to me thats not because of the way the NH have structured their competition, thats just simply their buying power at work. having all the stars already up north, plus the ones they recruit from the SH is why it is easy for them to be able to filed such competitive club teams 24/7.
still they make good use with the cards they have been dealt and u cant fault them for that.

IMO all this recruiting of SH players is good for the clubs, not for their international teams and i cant shake this feeling that very soon the IRB will introduce new laws regarding eligibility, something which will allow the NH nations to take advantage of thier current player stock, o_O


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 17:18:16

@Sasuke.

"ive never thought comps up north were better then the CC or ITM i even think the top teams are just as deadly as the spXV top teams. to me thats not because of the way the NH have structured their competition, thats just simply their buying power at work. having all the stars already up north, plus the ones they recruit from the SH is why it is easy for them to be able to filed such competitive club teams 24/7."

 

Be that as it may, the fact is that there is no way that the CC as it works ou at the moment is anywhere near on the same level as the Aviva or the Top 14, and I have not aimed the remark about the strenght of the Premiership and Top14 at you. It was actually aimed at I-think-I-am-clevermike who said that "Bakkies Botha has been playing in a club competition on a lower level than the CC, for the last two years", or something  to that effect. That was said on another thread. Then Sharkbok came along with his pipe-dream of 

"Most of Toulons best players are South African ex Boks and this is of course why Toulon are the undisputed top club season after season in the Northern Hemishpere.

 South Africa is the main feeder country of Southern Hemishpere talent into Northern Hemispere clubs, and even countries."


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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 23:35:42

It would be more like Chiefs vs Barbarians!!


Wardad

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 23:51:50

 Crikey I would have to agree with [removed] on that ! Money cant buy you love but it can buy you a premiership it seems!


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 02, 2013, 09:26:30

[removed]

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 23:35:42

It would be more like Chiefs vs Barbarians!!

 

Wardad

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 01, 2013, 23:51:50

 Crikey I would have to agree with [removed] on that ! Money cant buy you love but it can buy you a premiership it seems!

 

Goodness, have you guys forgotten that we are talking about professional sports here? If that is the correct argument, then we should start [removed]ing about Saffers playing in Aus, or when the Stormers used Chris Jack, and the Canadian, Clever who played for the Lions, Michalak for the Sharks, Pretorius at the Waratahs, etc, etc.


Sharkbok

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 14:53:09

People laughed when I said most of Toulon's best players are from South Africa.

It is reported that Ruan Pienaar has signed for them, and even talk that Schalk Burger is going to play for them.

 

He would join fellow South Africans Bryan Habana, Michael Claassens, Joe van Niekerk, Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw and Juan Smith, at the club. Craig Burden is also said to be on his way to Toulon, while the club has reportedly approached Schalk Burger.


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 15:49:08

How many of those were with Toulon when you made that post?


Sharkbok

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 15:51:54

 

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
August 29, 2013, 00:16:30

 @Ceradyne. We can allways rely on you to add your pedantic comment with eagerness to correct minor details.

Were you perhaps a library monitor in school?

 

I said most of their "best" players.

I was talking about Bakkies, Habana, Joe Van Niekerk (whom I believe is the captain). Yes Habana will be available to them for the game next year and his signing for Toulon has been on the cards for years. 

 

They have also got quality internationals like Wilkinson, Matt Giteau

I am not sure how long the current owner has been running Toulon, but he will be pumping more money into them and I expect their legacy to grow. 

With the SA currency weakening, I expect more SA players to sign with them.

 

With the rand getting weaker and Hieneken Meyer choosing more and more players from overseas, we could see Toulon become the best club in World Rugby- like Manchester United, Real Madrid etc.

 

Go Toulon!!!!

 

I predicted even more would sign with them. 


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:03:43

Sharkbok, without being trying to be funny............... do you even follow the French Top14?


Sharkbok

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:05:24

Ceradyne, no not really.

However with many Toulon players now South African I am going to start watching it. 

Do you know where the best place to get the fixture list for Toulon is, and is it on Sky or BBC etc


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:28:30

The Top14 is mostly on ESPN and BT. BBC only show internationals. I have been a Toulon fan fo some time now, but it is interesting to note, and that is why I asked, that all of the top 6 teams have quite a contingent of SA players. Having said that, they have as many NZ and Aus players as well. Of the top 6, Perpignon and Clermont Auvergne have the least number of Saffers (2). Toulouse have 5, Montpellier 3, Castres 3. Toulon, at this stage officially have 5 Saffers and Stade Francais, with 6, have the most (officially signed).

 

The ones at Stade Francais are Michael van Vuuren, Heinke van der Merwe, Gerhard Mostert, Anton van Zyl, Morne Steyn and Meyer Bosman.

 

Toulon has, however had a bot of a struggle lately. They lost to Castres (away) last weekend and the weekend before they really struggled to beat Biaritz (away). They are playing Bayonne on Saturday. I have just checked. They are only showing the Stade Francais game on BT2. So, you will have to watch the Toulon one online somewhere. Try wizziwig, vipbox or ls hunter.


hakwa

Status: Senior player
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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:34:04

 @Ceradyne u r right - it is a smogashboard of SH players! Gear if you are listening, please come back and replace Savea the wife beater!


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:50:47

That is the modern professional game for you Hakwa and I don't know what NZ is doing wrong for still losing lots of players to them but I know what  the problem is with SA losing players to them. It has notyhing to do with the national coach selecting foreign based players. The foreign based current Springboks are a handful compared to the number of Saffers in France alone. It has a lot to do with the SA Rand that is stuffed, due to the Shenanigans of Bra Jacob Zuma and friends, combined with the interference with the selections of players of colour, etc etc. As I said, despite NZ's policy of not selecting foreign based players, there are still hordes of NZ players in Europe.

 

The funny thing is that there is still the perception of slow European style rugby, and it is definitely not really the case. I have been watching quite a few French games lately as well as Premiership games and most of those games are, despite the playing conditions, quite high tempo games. I believe that it has to do with the number of SH players who are playing over here. Might be wrong, but that is the way I see it.


hakwa

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 16:56:01

it is also helping give NH players regular experience how to play with and against SH players! Look at the last Lions Tour to Australia - in the last Test, the Lions played like Australia and the Wallabies played like a NH side! Quite sad really!


Ceradyne

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 19, 2013, 17:15:00

What I was trying to tell Sasuke earlier on this same thread. They are picking up.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 20, 2013, 01:07:47

@hakwa san,

"Gear if you are listening, please come back and replace Savea the wife beater!"
we dont even need gear to replace savea, 11 i dagg, 14 b smith, 15 c piutau, 23 r crotty

this time next year, 11 b smith, 14 c jane, 15 i dagg, 23 c piutau

and then theres still the likes of tom marshall, frank halai waiting for their chances, both of whom are worthy All Black contenders, so we dont need gear and NZRU are in a position to send out a strong message, its a shame that they wont though.

@hakwa san & ceradyne,
NH players have been playing with and against SH players in their rugby comps for ages now, but theyre still producing roughly the smae results as they always have.

true the lions beat the wallys, but ranked No 10 pumas almost did the same and the wallys were sytematically destroyed by both the Boks and All blacks in their own backyard.

JWC was won by eng in a final against wales, but that was their first one since the JWC started.

are the signs showing improvemnt for NH??? i still dont think so, consistent performances is the key and consistency is something they still havent shown me.
expect more of the same, a good win here and there like englands first win over the All Blacks in a decade, but all in all SH by which i mean SANZAR will continue with their domination of the north as they always have.


Wardad

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Posts: 1384
RE: Chiefs and Toulon to play 'WC of Clubs'
September 21, 2013, 09:26:07

 This will be most welcome given the dearth of rugby in Feb !


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