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Sharkbok

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jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 27, 2013, 14:04:15

Not only does he have issues with his positioning on defence, his actual tackling technique is not great either.

In the past he has admitted issues with his defensive alignment, but claims to have overcome the issue.

 

On Saterday he let in an easy try from his opposite number- he had to make the tackle. 

He actually blocks Jannie the prop from making the cover tackle

 

Click here to view the move where he misses

 

 

Also in minute 2:42

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 27, 2013, 19:39:38

Twatbok, I'm surprised that that was not yet another copy and paste, well it is to a certain extent.

 

Show us some rugby insight by providing a reason why you think JJ might have missed that tackle.......I'll drop a few clues, Jannie, inside step, right shoulder.......take your time wise man......may I suggest you ask DomMike and Clean[removed] for some help!!


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 27, 2013, 19:39:39

Twatbok, I'm surprised that that was not yet another copy and paste, well it is to a certain extent.

 

Show us some rugby insight by providing a reason why you think JJ might have missed that tackle.......I'll drop a few clues, Jannie, inside step, right shoulder.......take your time wise man......may I suggest you ask DomMike and Clean[removed] for some help!!


Sharkbok

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 27, 2013, 19:44:27

Ha Ha [removed], one of your favourites can do no wrong. 

Let me guess it was Jannies fault that JJ missed the tackle on his opposite number.

It was a poor tackle attempt FACT


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 13:21:51
Just as I thought - your ignorance shines bright.......let me guess you reckon Bosch was JJ's man because he had 13 on his back??

Jannie was the inside defender, so yes Bosch was his man - FACT

It was a poor tackle attempt, in fact he hardly laid a hand on him........why, because JJ was covering out wide expecting the man on his inside to tackle Bosch.......by the time he registers its Jannie, its too late. He has to go high and the slight step by Bosch takes him off balance.......hence not getting much of a hand on him.

My guess is your knowledge of the game leads you to miss this very fact and reach the naïve conclusion that JJ simply missed Bosch. Ah well, its not like I expected you to deliver here now did I?


mozart

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 13:57:40
He expected the man on his inside to tackle Jannie?


The_Truth

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 14:45:25

Both are to blame.

 

Jannie too slow, JJ rushed early! Plus communication!

 

 


CleanCut

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 14:53:29

 

Either way ... his inabiity to do his job is confusing all those around him ... causing chaos.

 

It would correct ittself the moment he's dropped.

 

 


Sharkbok

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 15:34:36

 The replay clearly shows that Bosch is running to the outside of JJ (that is between JJ and the wing).

That means it is either JJ or the wing that must make the tackle. Given that JJ is the closest and it is his oppositive number, it is his man to tackle.

 

At the last moment Bosch sidesteps and slightly cuts back in. He is still right beside JJ who makes a lame tackle attempt and completely slips off him. 

Jannie a prop of all people tries to make the cover tackle by running behind the tackle area, but it blocked by a swinging JJ who turns 360 degrees. 

It is a [removed] tackle and it was JJ's man, not the missing inside center or the cover tackle, in this instance Jannie the prop.

 

It is surprising that Bosch did not cut in earlier to take on the gap that was closing by the covering defender, but then again JJ would not have been able to tackle him in a phone booth- given how close he was when he stepped JJ on his inside.

 

At one point JJ has his arms around Bosch, come on- all he had to do was hang on.

 

 

You "gave" us JJ Engelbrecht, it was not actually Hieneken Meyer who invited him to the Bulls and suggested he move from wing to outside center. 

 

Hell [removed] you "gave us" Eztebeth and Jan Serfontein- you indentified them playing for the under21 boks. 

Without you these players would have never have become Springbok greats.

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 22:29:07

Twatbok now you are just lying. Bosch is heading between Jannie and JJ, the inside man is Jannie who is expected to make the tackle given defensive structures. JJ realises its Jannie and takes the decision to try stop Bosch, by which time its too late and Bosch's outside step is the nail in the coffin. JJ was going wide, tries to change direction to take Bosch but is only in a position to go high, the step takes him off balance and he ends up hardly getting a hand on him - FACT - your version is a complete lie, surprise, surprise.......It was a miss by JJ but not a measure of his defeinsive abilities as he has been a sound defender all season.

 

I called for JJ in the Bok side long before Meyer invited him to join and while you ignorant twats kept telling me how crap he was. Same can be said of Taute.

 

I identified Etzebeth, Steph du Toit and Serfontein long before they made it and have said the same about Jacques du Plessis at least a year ago.


mozart

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 23:21:14
Oh come now Dave...JJ is better than Taute. So far JJ has had a hand in two RC tries scored by the Bargies. The last of which was pretty obvious. But Taute was the author of in 3 NZ tries in one game! Nobody is saying JJ is that bad.


Sharkbok

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 23:33:30

Jannie and Jean Devilliers look allot alike, I can see how the confusion happened.

 

At the last moment JJ realised he had a fat prop on his inside, so he had to tackle his opposite number running on his outside.

 

When Bosch cut inside (one step) it should actually have been Jean to make the tackle. 

 

JJ and Jean usually align one foot away from each other defence, so really it was Jean who should have made the tackle.  

 

Even though Bosch ran for the outside, just because he took one step on his inside this makes JJ no longer reponsibale for tackling his opposite number, as well as being the closest tackler to a player close to crossing the tryline. 

 

If Jean was their, then JJ should have actually continued to run wide and just let Bosch take one step inside to have an open run to the tryline. 

 

Its all starting to make sense now. 

 

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 23:34:29

Nonsense Moz, Taute had half a hand in one NZ try and JJ has had half a hand in one Bargie try.

 

JJ is by far our best prospect at 13, in fact the best I have seen since Gerber. Taute is a quality player and if JJ was not available, Taute would be my option at 13.

 

I am hoping that some of the other young 13 prospects come through like Pat Howard, Dries Swanepoel, Tyler Fisher and Stokkies Hanekom. Players like de Allende, Rohan Janse v/Rensburg and 19 year old Esterhuizen of the Sharks might also better be suited to 13 as they are all currently employed at 12.


mozart

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 28, 2013, 23:37:06
I'll take anybody who isn't faked out by a tackling dummy...JJ and Taute might just be stepped by Voortrekker monument


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 29, 2013, 00:05:51

Cir[removed]stances dictated that miss by JJ, he does not miss one on one tackles in structured backline play.

 

In broken play when structures are exposed, players miss tackles when they fail to commit through a lack of trusting players around them........like having a prop on your inside.

 

I see no issue with JJ's defence at all much like there has never been an issue with Taute's defence. 

 

Some players have issues with defence like Basson and Rhule. Rhule is gifted with ball in hand but he has to sort out his defence if he is to be taken seriously.

 

None of our current S15 centres have issues defensively

 

 


mozart

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 29, 2013, 03:04:42

Dave seriously, JJ does have defensive issues . He gets very confused when things go off script. You can almost sense him trying to remember his instructions. There are several examples I could produce where he goes backwards off the line instead of closing with his opponent....the Bargie try in RSA for example.

 

But this isn't the only problem. When he is actually tackling he almost always goes high, and isn't very decisive. So he does a lot of flapping at the ball carrier. In combination these  two issues are likely to become problematic.

 

The fact is JJ is a superb runner. But so is Basson...and his defence is seen as a deal breaker. JJ is next unless he really fixes his problem.  He should decide to go low, and go forward, not wait for the runner back on his heels. Somebody needs to instill some defensive aggression in the lad. Perhaps he should be given some de Wet Barry tapes.


JJ is probably as fast or perhaps faster than Andre Snyman, and unlike Snyman he has a step. But if he doesn't sort out his tackling and his role in defence, it will all be for nothing. I never thought Fury was a very secure tackler, but he wasn't frozen by the role. JJ is...he needs to get way more aggressive.


clevermike

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 29, 2013, 03:43:55
Mozart

For once I agree with you - but Engelbrecht needs to get proper defence coaching and he will not get it from Meyer and his collection of the brainless .


Saffex

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
August 29, 2013, 13:48:16
Have to disagree Moz, in structured backline play JJ executes good low tackles like anyone, his technique is good.

The only time he has gone high is in broken play when defensive lines have been exposed. When a player is faced with a 3 on 1 as he was in that first test against the Argies, that 3 on 1 for obvious reasons casts doubts in the defenders mind as to who to commit to. Given this fact, the usual practise is to go high in an attempt to effect a smother tackle. JJ chose to stick with the player with ball in hand and took him down, not before the offload though.......3 on 1 creates doubt, doubt creates time.....its the art of attack and hardly straight forward to defend against.

Same with the try on Sat, doubt was created by JJ being flanked by a prop. You always see backs target tightforwards in broken play.......this is what happened, JJ was covering out wide and then realised they were in [removed] with Jannie on his inside, by the time he tried to adjust and with Bosch's step he was done.

The problem with all this is that no context is taken into account and everyone ignorantly declares that JJ has a defensive issue when he does not. Players are beaten in broken play by mismatches created by numbers or who is defending against who.

You never see JJ missing regulation tackles in structured play and this is where he has to be judged. Everyone misses tackles, hell de Jongh missed a regulation one on the weekend. JJ has missed one tackle in 6 tests, but cir[removed]stances dictated that one.

Basson is a completely different case, he is physically not up to test rugby. Players run straight through him


Sharkbok

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RE: jj engelbrecht poor tackling resurfaces
November 12, 2013, 03:12:07
 This is an older thread where numerous posters have again tried to explain 
to poor [removed] the problems with JJ's high tackling technique


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