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redsman

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Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 05:35:23
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11112877 Rugby: Wobbly Wallabies are no longer the threat they once were By Gregor Paul

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No one wants to be arrogant or complacent about these things but Australia are not the foe they once were. Not even close, really, and it's almost reached the point where it is bordering on generosity of spirit that the All Blacks take them as seriously as they do.

Of the big four nations - Australia, South Africa, France and England - the Wallabies have become in recent times the veritable "gimme" for the All Blacks. New Zealand have won 16 of their last 20 tests against the Wallabies and drawn one. They have the same record against France over the same period, while they have won 15 against England and drawn one, and beaten South Africa 13 times in their last 20 meetings.

Australia are in danger of becoming the new Wales - competent, lively and occasionally capable of getting really close. They can rattle the All Blacks for periods, push them to the line in some tests and occasionally even win - but that's not the basis for a classic rivalry.

1 day to Bledisloe II Tony Woodcock - 100 not out Painful lessons and plenty of history in capital clashes Skills mean young Tom Taylor made for the job

The edge that was there throughout the late 1980s, all of the 90s and early part of the new millennium, has gone.

The Wallabies have not held the Bledisloe Cup since 2002 and that's too long for serious questions not to be asked. The games against Australia are tough in so much that all tests against the top-ranked nations are tough. But perhaps now the pre-match trepidation is routine - more for form's sake rather than reflecting a genuine sense of anxiety.

Objective analysis leads the All Blacks to believe that if they get their preparation right and execute their plan well on game day, they will most likely win. Australia seem to have lost their capacity to surprise: they are not a side that strikes fear into All Blacks' hearts the way they once did when players such as David Campese, Nick Farr-Jones, John Eales, Tim Horan, Jason Little, George Gregan and Stephen Larkham were around.

They are still a good side, they still pose threats, especially through Will Genia, but the All Blacks know they are better.

The Wallabies can't lose as much as they have and retain their status as the All Blacks' most fearsome modern rival. That honour needs to be earned and, statistically at least, England are a more credible danger.

Last December, England were everything the Wallabies haven't been for more than a decade. The All Blacks were edged - and that is being kind - physically by the English pack. They could barely hold their own at the scrum, struggled to deal with the volume and power of the ball carriers and were, most surprisingly, ripped apart by a backline that moved well and created space.

When was the last time the Wallabies did so much damage to the All Blacks? When was the last time the Wallabies outplayed the All Blacks across the field? Probably the answer to that is 2008 and Robbie Deans' first game in charge and yet, even then, the All Blacks were the chief architects of their self-destruction.

And that's been the story of the last decade - the Wallabies have needed the All Blacks to be off their best to get the result which explains why Australia have won only three of the last 20 encounters; why they have only won five of the last 30. Nothing illustrates the gulf between the two sides better than the fact the All Blacks are down to their fourth and fifth-choice first-fives and yet there hasn't been a dramatic shift in popular opinion about tomorrow's outcome. That's partly to do with the class of player the All Blacks have been able to call in, but it's more about what was plain in Sydney: New Zealand are a better all-round rugby side with too many competent ball handlers, natural athletes and experienced old dogs to be greatly weakened by a change in one position.

There's also now a self-perpetuating mental edge that exists within the All Blacks: the longer they are dominant over the Wallabies, the more they want it to stay that way.

"Here in New Zealand, rugby is quite high up and if you lose it is the end of the world," said fullback Israel Dagg in regard to what motivates the All Blacks to keep winning. "I hate losing and for everyone here [All Blacks] the Bledisloe means so much to us and I guess it means so much for Australia that's why it's a big contest, so you don't want to be that team that loses. Each week is new but I guess we do have the confidence that we did do the job [last week] but you don't want to be over-confident

As I've called for many times - if the kiwis are so dominant v Australia and everyone else....

then why don't they have an Island of Origin competition vs themselves and establish their dominion that way.?

Australia does this in RL - BECAUSE Aussies are so far in advanced to everyone else in this code.... anyway you cant un-cat a cat and obviously kiwis too cattish in this regard or would bring on the challenge of IOO comp................


redsman

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 05:39:44
re kiwi journo - the smugness is unbelievable to state they Australian aren't worthy of the rivalry.... THE FACT IS WE ARENT!!! NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE CARE you self-important small minded imbecile.

Here are a list of sports that kiwis cant compete with Australia in: *Cricket *tennis *Golf *Swimming *Rugby League *Soccer *Surfing * * * I'm too bored to go on.......................... As are most Aussies with rugby..............................................


Wardad

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 05:52:36

 Well it just shows stupid journos arent just confined to england and Oz , theres only 2 teams I worry about and the Poms arent one of them !

And that list of "sports" would bore anyone ! Maybe Combat Croche' would be more suitable .

As for RL ,who are world champs in the 3 horse RL WC again ?


redsman

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 06:00:15
ah yes wardad - agreed - silly journos and their opinions - but this type of article surely is "Daily Telegraph / Courier Mail ? Rugby League" standard at best....

RL - come on look at the record there I don't even bother watching the ANZAC tests as they just aren't that interesting... SOO is clearly the pinnacle of the sport & you must see that State of Island comp would be great for all - especially as it would probably strengthen rugby in Kiwiland even more....


steinlager1

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 07:48:58

Red you seem to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

How many times do we have to remind you who's the Rugby League World Champions.

Not Australia is it?

In fact Kiwis have got all the rugby codes covered when you include the Sevens.

 

But to you all the sports we're better at are boring anyway which is hilarious epecially when you mention golf. Funny az also how your inaccurate little list is just that .

Perhaps Australia was superior in the past after the USSR collapsed and OZ harvested all the drug cheats from eastern bloc countries but recent drug testing put an end to most of that putting alot of your athletes out of action.

The last Olympics is testament to that where Australia failed badly.

 

Same again when you keep saying we should have a state of origin style rugby competition.

But tell me this Red coz it seems a little fishy and may be the answer to your own question.

 

Why has'nt Australia got a State of Origin Rugby competition ?


poi-e

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:08:13

Red is a tad confused, he bemoans a journo for what he's been spouting off in here ad nauseam...no one cares about rugby in Oz, somehow that's the All Blacks fault...

 

 

Don't get bitter, get better.  Most of Oz sport is shithouse at the moment.


redsman

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:11:57
@Steinlager - simple answer - no one is really passionate enough about rugby anymore AND the tahs are made up of ~33% queenslanders.

I just think its a bit rich that a kiwi journo needs to reinforce his arrogance by claiming 'Aussies are worth the rivalry' when most aussies just don't care.... the sample in my office is a good example... 8/9 don't watch the bledisloe at all and couldn't care - I am the only one. Re SOO 9/9 people watch it and are well aware of the game......

Im trying to assist kiwi rugby here -

re Rugby League - mate its just a non-argument.... so theres no point me even bothering...


redsman

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:12:01
@Steinlager - simple answer - no one is really passionate enough about rugby anymore AND the tahs are made up of ~33% queenslanders.

I just think its a bit rich that a kiwi journo needs to reinforce his arrogance by claiming 'Aussies are worth the rivalry' when most aussies just don't care.... the sample in my office is a good example... 8/9 don't watch the bledisloe at all and couldn't care - I am the only one. Re SOO 9/9 people watch it and are well aware of the game......

Im trying to assist kiwi rugby here -

re Rugby League - mate its just a non-argument.... so theres no point me even bothering...


Beeno1

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:19:50

 Take away bent down under refs and we would be leading the wee abs very comfortably and wondering if it could be called a rivalry.

The part of that article making the most sense was how the poms (who we beat 3 times last year and drew once due to Morne having a bad day with the boot) gave the wee abs a severe rugby lesson and humilated their forwads as we did at Dunedin.

The abs and their fans are puffed up and arrogant and ripe for a fall.

Stay humble ab fans as your come uppence is on its way. 


Beeno1

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:22:18

 pooooie lest not even begin to compare Oz sporting prowress with nz. Its a no contest as to who is better.

Thanks


steinlager1

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:26:21

Red Good idea keep it zipped until you get the RL WC trophy in the cupboard.

Shouldn't be a problem in October should it ?

How about going back to your Green and Gold website fora bit more cut and paste. That's where you'll find plenty of passionate Aussies.


steinlager1

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:31:37

Bweeno given your IQ i think you'd make a good Aussie.


poi-e

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 08:50:54

 You're right StormingEd, might be embarassing for Oz at the moment, then again with SA's Olympic performances I'd STFU if I was you.


Just_win

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 09:47:45

 @redsman:Mozart and the rest of us have written OZ rugby off. Your constant drivel about how no one cares about rugby in Oz has finally had effect, lol

Oz is merely a warm up game for Boks & ABs. Oz should focus on Argies as being a possible draw & with luck maybe a win.  Oz players are soft & flashy not the real me of old. Please schedule the international knitting competition directly after the rugby games so the grannys that watch both don't have to change the channel.

Seems us Kiwis have to act like asses to get the tired lazy ozzies to pay any attention to rugby. Even your press is to tired and lazy to write the usual drivel, we have to do this for you too?


Just_win

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 10:30:20

Now we have that our of the way :) see NZ  herald & mccaw's comments. He says they ignore all oz mind games & focus on improving their own game. 

 


Cloudy

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 11:31:37

Did you say soccer?  Lol even our team got further than your socceroos  in the last WC I wouldn't crow too much about them.


Cloudy

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 11:54:01

 @justwin I suspect that's redsman might be wallaroo he's singing the same tune even the words are the same.

Rugby is the 6th sport in Oz blah blah blah 


Cloudy

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 12:16:25

 Of course they care reds that's BS saying they don't.......getting the Bledisloe cup back is all you have been raving on about for that last 11 years and what about the WC?  When you guys lose its a sport that nobody watches (what a lot of crud) and when you win aka Hong Kong 2010 when Stephen Donald gifted you that game, then it's like euphoria like there's no other game paaahleeese we are not THAT stupid.


Just_win

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 12:47:38

Cloudy: I also thought he was wallaroo but wallaroo also had the constant refrain of say oh ABs were expected to win by 100+ points & anything less would be a loss , lol 

so I am not so sure now. I liked wallaroo he was a good guy who locked to stir things I a bit once & a while,lol


Cloudy

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 13:26:25

He was ok justwin when he was taking his meds lol

Thinking about tomorrow nights game and I'm getting more than a little edgy.  If wallies win then its all on they will fancy their chances in Dunedin and we could vey well lose the Bledisloe cup........

BUT then reason prevails hahaha ...that will give some food for the vultures!!!


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 20:32:17

its another typical example of just how stupid redsneck is, the title of the thread is "Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves" yet not once in the article is it suggested or even implied that the kiwis should be playing by themselves, o_O

but i cant help but feel for that dingo raised inbred hick redsneck, he loves his wallabies and the reality is as the article mentions, the All Blacks are a much better side.

he also cant grasp the concept that australia can put in an origin series, cos league is non existent outside of eng, OZ and NZ, im not surprised at how difficult that is for him toi understand, after all his idea of reading involves crayola crayons.

i do love this change attitude now from redsneck, after bleating like there was no tomorrow that mackenzie was needed to save the wallabies, he seems to have chnaged his tune somewhat. glad to see that the wallabies werent the only one to learn their lesson after the sydney test.

for me there are only 4 teams we need to watch out for, the wallys, Boks, french and eng, IMO were better then all those teams, but if we dont front up and they do, it becomes a nerve wracking 80mins which can end in a loss.


polyboy

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RE: Smug Kiwi article proving that they should really compete against themselves
August 23, 2013, 23:12:08
Redsman As much as I don't agree with much of what you write, this article was disturbing and HUGELY disrespectful to a traditional rival. It was a dickheadish piece of journalism, hopefully it doesn't come back to bite the AB's in the arse.


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