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polyboy

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Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 14:28:17
NZ Herald reported that Bok Legend Joost Van de westhuizen was near death. I know F Du Preez is lauded by the rugby press but he has Joost to thank as the modern day benchmark for halfbacks. One of the truly great halfbacks who all NZ fans respected for his match winning ability, I wish all the best for Joost and his family.


mozart

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 14:34:11
Nice one poly. A great rugby player with some failings that make him human, like the rest of us. He has handled this horrible disease with magnificent dignity.


clevermike

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 14:41:48
Very bad news indeed and one can only think of his family and him during these trying times - may the Lord be with them now and in future.


CleanCut

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 15:44:07

 

Tragic ... amazing how aggressive this disease is ... never seen the likes before ...


carpetmuncher

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 17:23:07

great rugby person and its sad to see this i must admit.


Cloudy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 18:43:04

Absolutely one of the best.  YT has some wonderful interviews I have enjoyed watching.  Has endured this horrible disease with grace and dignity.  God be with him and his family especially his children.  


Saffex

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RE: Joost the legend
August 22, 2013, 23:28:08

 Best 9 to ever play the game - very sad what has become of the legend


polyboy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 00:35:17
Note to Beeno, in Joost's era it wasn't the big men the AB's feared it was the smallest man on the paddock, that's how much he was respected and admired.


Sharkbok

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 00:39:42

Joost tackles on Lomu during the world cup 

 


Sharkbok

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 00:42:15

A tribut to our most inspirational player 

 

 


nukefreekiwi

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 06:41:42

Motor neurone disease has to be the cruelest of all possible ailments to affect such an active, ebullient and vital sportsman like Joost.  How Professor Hawking has managed to survive,endure and thrive as he has, for as long as he has, is a genuine miracle as far as im concerned. It must be the epitome of the living nightmare to be completely locked in a bodily fortress, a decaying carcass at war with a mind which is still lucid, active and cognisant of every waking minute.  A swift end would be the most merciful outcome for him now. I just hope he is adequately sedated and made as comfortable as possible.  

 

My heartfelt condolences to Joost's family and friends and sincerest respect, admiration and thanks to Joost for some unforgettable sporting memories.  I'd also like to thank the above posters for publishing those poignant tributes to one of rugbys greatest players.  


hakwa

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 08:15:09

one of the best halfbacks in the world! Joost, my prayers are with you - may our GOD continue to be with you and family at this very difficult time!


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 08:31:42

 Yes Joost at his peak was the greatest scrummie I ever saw and completely fearless.

This all is too terrible for words. May God bless and support all his family and heal Joost. We are all like the grass of the fields and are here for but a brief moment.

Wonderful to read all these tributes and condolences.

Polyboy please, scrummies have to be small - its the one position where there is the least issue with size.

 

 


CleanCut

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 10:38:22

 

Beano ... don't you think it's time you pull your head out the sand??? How much longer before you face things squarely?

 

Huh??

 

I know you've been indoctrinated with garbage, brainwashed into believing everything you read and everything you've been told, about this tyrant ... that having your own opinion on any subject matter has always been a little difficult for you ... but surely there must come a time when enough stupidity is enough.

 

No??

 

At the risk of coming across as insensitive ...

 

God doesn't heal ... just cause you've been told that by some pastor doesn't mean it's true. Wake up man. He just wants your money. It's your weekly and monthly tighs he's after. That and for you to believe the horse[removed] he's selling so you'll come back next week to sooth your guilty conscience and make an additional down payment on his mercedez benz.

 

God inflicts us with diseases. He's not a healer. There are no such things as miracles.

 

He is the author of it all. He manipulates everything and everyone to suit his cause. We all saw how he dealt with the Egyptian pharoah back in the days of Moses ... or how about Job ... or Jonah??   

 

Joost has this cause god gave it to him

 

Haven't you figured that out yet??

 

Why on earth would we go to the very person who inflicted the man with this awful cruel ailment in the first place? 

 

Have you lost your mind?

 

Wake up man!!!!!!

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 11:30:43

 Sorry CC but I have been healed three times instantaneously when prayed for in Jesus name.

CC the sorrow and trouble in the world unhinges many folk.  But what you might want to think about is that folk who are intelligent etc etc still believe in a loving and wise God. You should ponder the Cross if you think God doesnt care. Mankind chose to serve another master and reap his bitter wages - sin and death entered the world. 

The day you meet with Christ is the day you will alter your views completely. Much like the raging Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus to inprison Christians etc. He had an encountered with the risen Christ and did an instaneous about turn. He is alive and can reveal himself to you so seek him in earnest is my very best advice to you. Dont attribute the works of Satan to God. Evil is clearly present yes but you can know that God also is there and he loves you. 

We pray Gods richest blessing and comfort on Joost and his family. I have also known folk healed of cancer and on deaths door. Nothing is impossible but we do not call the shots. 

 

 


polyboy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 12:39:52
Beeno, my comment was in jest and to illustrate the respect a player like Joost earned around the paddock and the rugby world.


polyboy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 12:39:53
Beeno, my comment was in jest and to illustrate the respect a player like Joost earned around the paddock and the rugby world.


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 12:43:54

 No problem with your comment at all Poly. It is a very difficult thing this.


CleanCut

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 14:25:49

 

Beano … You are talking nonsense now and you know it.

 

Taking antibiotics for flu does not constitute a divine healing ... you do know that ... right??

 

I thought you guys weren’t supposed to lie??

 

What has he healed you of?

 

I am willing to bet that there’s no one on this board or anywhere else that has ever witnessed a healing miracle. Not one.Not even you.

 

Just like Ruben Kruger put all his faith into receiving the divine touch … then declared to the world he was healed … only to die of brain cancer years later.

 

You’ve been healed 3 x???

 

You’re a liar!!

 

How far are you prepared to go to draw suckers (make disciples of all nations) to this god of your? Is lying part of the package? Do you get extra brownie points for leading someone to him ... no matter the method used? Even lying? Do you think you'll receive salvation because of it? 

 

Do you know what hell is, Beano? Any idea??

 

It is written ... "beware of him who can seperate the spirit from the soul" ... He will throw your soul into hell and have your spirit wonder endlessly in a state of unrest. There in the darkness where you'll hear a weeping and a gnashing of teeth. Your own ... in anguish.

 

Let's quit pretending, Beano.

 

His day is at hand and hypocrits like you will be the first to run for cover. Don't be surprised when you hear him say ... "get away from me ... I do not know you ... !!!!"

 

 


Rooinek

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 14:52:51

Here's an account of an experiment that tested for the benefits of prayer:

 

Harvard professor Herbert Benson performed a "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)" in 2006. The STEP, commonly called the "Templeton Foundation prayer study or "Great Prayer Experiment", used 1,802 coronary artery bypass surgery patients at six hospitals.

 

Using double-blind protocols, patients were randomized into three random groups, but without measuring individual prayer receptiveness. The experimental and control Groups 1 and 2 were informed they may or may not receive prayers, and only Group 1 received them. Group 3, which tested for possible psychosomatic effects, was informed they would receive prayers and subsequently did. Unlike some other studies, STEP attempted to standardize the prayer method. Only first names and last initial for patients were provided and no photographs were supplied. The congregations of three Christian churches who prayed for the patients "were allowed to pray in their own manner, but they were instructed to include the following phrase in their prayers: 'for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications'.”

 

Major complications and thirty-day mortality occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3). Some prayed-for patients fared worse than those who did not receive prayers.

 

Looks like prayer does more harm than good! That study certainly puts Baboon-ou's naive and child-like claims into some kind of perspective.


JeromeV

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 16:12:02

Nice tribute, thanks for sharing Sharkbok. Definitely one of the best half backs of all time as well as Gareth Edwards of course. Its unfortunate news, I hope he gets well.


mozart

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 17:29:21
Those Joost tackles on Lomu were brilliant, especially the first one.....total commitment, no fear. They should broadcast these tapes before the Bargie game.....tell the man we think he's great while it can still give him a bit of pleasure.


oimatey

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 17:46:51

 What a legend. In rugby, in life and now in his last days. You have my utmost respect Joost, always have:

 

""I realise every day could be my last," the South African rugby hero said. "It's been a rollercoaster from day one and I know I'm on a deathbed from now on,"

"I've had my highs and I have had my lows, but no more. I'm a firm believer that there's a bigger purpose in my life and I am very positive, very happy," 

"I led my life at a hundred miles an hour. I've learned that there are too many things that we take for granted in life and it's only when you lose them that you realise what it is all about," 

"I can now talk openly about the mistakes I made because I know my faith won't give up and it won't diminish," he said.

 

"It's only when you go through what I am going through that you understand that life is generous."


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 23, 2013, 21:13:42

CC because you may not have experienced something dont be to sure it doesnt happen. 

Its like the argument if nothing didnt create the universe who did. Are you convinced nothing did. 

Beeno getting back to basics

However this is a tribute to Joost - may God bless him richly. Absent from the body present with the Lord. Wonderful.


becs

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 02:47:59

I think this was another of those slight scare stories...he isn't at " death's door ".....I had a round robin message from him on Thurs evening saying he was at home, was ok and was on his way to bed !! I think that, because his condition has deteriorated yet again, as is to be expected really, there has been some nasty scaremongering about how sick he actually is.

Obviously, he is dying. The nature of the disease is such that there is no cure and it is a rapidly progressive neurological disorder. But, he's still here now and that's what counts !

 

The difference between his condition and Stephen Hawking's is that they are different types of MND. He has ALS, which is a rapidly progressive and agressive type of MND. It lasts between 2 to 5 years usually.

Hawking has the much slower degenerative type whereby many sufferers live for 20 years with no real problem. He has bucked the trend, I know. Although he is a very sick man. But it is still a different strain of the disease and not so agressive.

 

And yes, Joost was a fantastic player....one of my absolute favourites of all time in any position of any nationality. A true great.


Wardad

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 03:49:54

 Damn shame that , he is coping in a strong and dignified manner which is what I would expect of him .Best wishes to him and his family.


KalaedFreddie

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 08:15:30

 Joost was one of the great scrummies - just ask Justin Marshall.  Go in peace brother and may the force be with you.

 

Beeno, you have it all wrong, some of the best scrummies in the world are or were bigger guys.  Joost, Justin marchal, Robert du preeze,  Mike Phillips (Wales) he is 6'3" - not a small guy nê.

@Rooinek

Praying - whether it works or not, what ever ticles your fancy.  I just find it funny that people who have stated that they are athiests all of a sudden start praying when the kak hits the fan. A case in point our government..when it suits them (and individuals)..LOL


hakwa

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 14:27:15

 

I'm with you on this one Beeno 100% and totally agree with you! 


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 15:18:26

 I totally agree you dont hsave to be small to be a grat scrummie but its the one psotion where you get away with being on the small side.

Thanks Kalaed Fred and Hakwa.

One truly hopes CC and Rooitwit find the WAY. Right now they must be in a lot of confusion given the Universe had a begining and nothing cant have created it. Very puzzling for them and as they can't explain it and neither can Hawking as we saw, it just might get them thinking - something they have not really done. The overwhelming evidence points to design as Scientists today have been forced to admit. They to must admit thsi - what other ourse is there.

Anyhow right now its all of us wishing Joost the very best


Cloudy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 15:32:08

Atheism is the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.  Makes perfect sense.  I always knew McCaw wasn't made from nothing lol


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 24, 2013, 15:58:59

Well said Cloudy!!! Mcaaaw is the exception that proves the rule. rolling laughter (#10)

Its astonishing we have to even debate this. However lets leave this thread as a tribute to Joost lest it gets hijacked. CC and ou rooitwit will particulary appreciate this. 


Arthur John

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RE: Joost the legend
August 25, 2013, 18:37:05

I was honoured to see Jooste play and proud to see him in the Green and Gold.

One of the best all time scrumhalves of all time.

But also human like the rest of us.

 

I trust that he has set up his children for what will eventually take place.

 

I can only hope and pray that he does not suffer or become a burden on his family.

A few months ago I asked about a foundation that I heard was set up in his name...can anyone forward me the details if possible.

 

email to acshaw4@gmail.com.


Cloudy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 26, 2013, 02:34:06

@arthur it's the J9 ffoundation www.joost.co.za


Brycy

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RE: Joost the legend
August 26, 2013, 03:21:10

Devastating illness he has that you would'nt wish on yr worst enemy and there's no question about his fighting spirit as his Bok career attests to .

But also looks like as with Mandela that the media vultures are circling and maybe overstating things...

Read an interesting post which mentioned he was going on holiday... hopefully to get away from the media vultures who can't seem to bury Joost or Mandela fast enough.

Where there is life there is always hope....Given the accelerated rate they are finding cures for some of these terminal illnesses we can only but hope for a breakthrough soon.

 

Die oud-Springbok-skrumskakel Joost van der Westhuizen is nié op sy sterfbed soos die media gister berig het nie. Sy vervreemde vrou, Amor Vittone, het aan sarie gesê dat Joost, wat aan motorneuronsiekte ly, eintlik goed genoeg voel dat hy hierdie naweek saam met haar en hul twee kinders op vakansie oorsee vertrek.

“Joost is regtig nie op sy sterfbed nie. Hy is nie bedlêend nie. Hy’s nie op life support nie. Hy is wel in ‘n rolstoel. Maar hy is oukei en positief,” sê Amor. “Joost was onlangs in ‘n kliniek vir detoksbehandeling, maar hy bly steeds in sy eie huis om die draai van myne hier in Dainfern.”

Dit maak haar vies dat die media woorde verdraai en mense gerugte versprei wat nie waar is nie, sê sy. Dít volg nadat die BBC gister ná ‘n telefoniese onderhoud met Joost berig het dat hy glo gesê het hy is op sy sterfbed. “Dis beslis nie waar nie,” sê Amor.

Volgens haar is sy daarna oorval met boodskappe van besorgde aanhangers op Facebook en Twitter. Daarom het sy dadelik gereageer deur ‘n paar keer self te twiet dat Joost “oukei en positief” is, al is hy “in ‘n rolstoel” en “sukkel hy om sy hande te gebruik”. Sy het mense ook gerus gestel dat gerugte oor Joost wat in die hospitaal is, onwaar is. Sy het die Twitter-gemeenskap aangeraai om die gerugte liefs te ignoreer


blobbok

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RE: Joost the legend
August 26, 2013, 04:14:09

For the benefit of our foreign brigade a brief translation that Joost, although facing death from this devastating disease, is getting on with life & is going overseas this weekend on holiday with his ex-missis & two kids . He was recently in a detox clinic but continues to live in his own house in Dainfern. His ex, Amor Vittone blames the media for distorting the facts . Joost gets around in a wheelchair & has trouble using his hands, but he's ok & positive.

J9, have a bakgat holiday.


Beeno1

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RE: Joost the legend
August 26, 2013, 08:38:05

 Thanks Bobbok that is very good news. Also great to see him reconciling with his ex wife! 


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