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mozart

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Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 14:20:05
Seems Elton wont be starting again this weekend. Perhaps there are reasons other than on the field performance for this. But the truth is this guy's star has plummeted in the last year. Being relieved of goal kicking duties at the Stormers was a big part of this....his record as a fine kicker was one solid thing to hang his hat on.

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But with goal kicking now a question mark, one is left with his "vision", chip kicks and unexpected passes. Willie has demonstrated how to make the chip kick a weapon, not just a quick way of getting rid of the ball and it's hard to really appreciate another man's vision, unless it leads to good things. Then there is the defence. To Elton's credit he tries, but as a small chap he is no Aplon, no Juan de Jong.....each tackle is an adventure.

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There seems to be some sort of concensus that centres need some heft, particularly inside centres. So why tiny flyhalves would be fine and without issues, is hard to fathom. I'm afraid Jantjies has basically met Newton.


CleanCut

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 14:24:23

 

YES ... YESSS ... YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

 

Next ... hopefully ... left back in the change room ... poimanently.

 

Sorry for the poor contribution . Just needed to get that out!!

 

 


mozart

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 14:29:40
I can't say I feel that strongly, but I hope he isn't around to bugger up another Stormers campaign. Having an exposed nerve end on the field affects everybody else.


clevermike

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 17:06:50
Mozart

My comments on this one was posted just before this item was posted. I sympathise with Jantjies as a person - but he has proved time and time again that he is not a Super 15 level flyhalf and that there seems to be doubts about him on CC level as well.

To my mind he did show some promise when he played in Under 20 games - but that promise was never carried through to his games on higher level. Saffex no doubt will disagree with the latter statement.

If the Lions do not regard him as a frontline (starting) flyhalf - he is bound to get a comparatively poor offer - after the Stormers paid him a reputed R2 500 000 for the six month stint for the 2013 Super 15 series.


Saffex

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 22:58:15

 Strange call given Jantjies had his best game of the year last weekend. Ackerman has no idea given how poor the Namibian selected at 15 is. Botha is useless. Would have made more sense retaining Boshoff at 15 and Jantjies at 10.

 

Jantjies made the CC side of the week at 10 and Ackerman drops him......what a stupid plank


Boklogic

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 23:44:05

Crap player. Defence is dismal, attack is a lottery and usually never pays off. He is never going to be good. In fact, he is actually managing to get worse. Lets move on and not waste anymore time.

 

I feel his mind is stuck on WP and Stormers rugby. Its much "cooler" to be part of WP/Stormers than the Lions and Jantjies wants that image. Lions dont win shit and Jantjies so badly wants to be a winner but doesn't realise that he was a big part of the "loser Lions!" He played shit for Stormers and I would be helluva surprised if management let Coetzee sign him. Get Catrakilis back in there and let him go. Jantjies has had long enough to prove himself and he is a flop. Move on!

 

Zeilinga for the Sharks is a much better player too. I would like to see Bok rugby working with Goosen, Lambie, Catrakilis and Zeilinga. More than enough there and all better players right now than Jantjies will ever be!


Saffex

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 22, 2013, 23:47:26

 Ignorance is bliss


clevermike

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 23, 2013, 00:16:20
Saffex

I do think that Jantjies spoiled his copybook badly in Super 15 and rarely deliver anything of value to the Stormers.- they really did not get real value in terms of the money they paid to get him. Even thpough he promised a lot as a junior years he did not really develop further and in 2012 there were signs that he was deficient in performance p but still some hope that he would nature into a good player. 2013 proved that he really failed in most aspects of the game and that he really is not a player that can perform on Super 15 level and in some respects also not on CC level.

It does not look like the Stormers is keen to sign him up again - and now it appears as if the Lions would not sign him up for any substantial amount of money either. A pity - but this guy is not meeting requirements - even on CC level


Boklogic

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 23, 2013, 02:21:30

Saff, I know you like the kid but lets be real. He is a hit and miss player and hit and miss players dont win world cups or anything for that matter.

Jantjies does have some brilliance about him at times but its all to few and far inbetween. His little touches hardly ever come off anymore. I dont know when last I have seen him have a solid 80mins. He is no better than some flyhalves in SA that are stuck in the club system. I can promise you that.

 

A guy like Zeilinga was a superstar at school and has proven to carry on that form through age group. With the right coaching and training, he will be a really good player in the next 3 to 5 years. We dont need Jantjies as long as we have Goosen, Lambie and Catrikilis in the wings. I exclude Morne as he is obviously not the future at his age.

 

Can you honestly say you would like Jantjies to be on that field for the Boks in the Rugby Championship? He adds absolutely nothing.

What we need is a Honiball or a Butch James of 2007 not a Jantjies! AB's lick their lips at the sound of him.

Quade Cooper and Jantjies are alike. Both can be really good and both can be flops. Unlucky for both, they are both flopping in the last few years. I believe it is because defences are on to them now and they have no plan B. They take ridiculous options that would have worked when it was "the element of surprise" but now, it has become expected from them and the defences are wise to this. No plan B. Now they got nothing! There is a reason both of them are out of favour!

 

When last did we see Quade or Jantjies slight of hand fool anyone? These players know about them now. They have gone from being really talented footballers to nothing more than small players that cant tackle. Cant have that in international line ups or if you wana win a super 15.


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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 23, 2013, 09:36:36

 Jantjes has got head problems. One wonders what will happen. Hopefully he will stay at the lions but ou alistair being a very small oak loves small oaks like himself. 

Lions need to play Jantjes and see if he can settle down. In and out the side is not good.


CleanCut

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RE: Jantjies benched again...is it the beginning of the end?
August 23, 2013, 10:05:52

 

Well, well, well ... who would have though Stupid would have come to Jantjies rescue.

 

With comments like ... "he had his best match" ... I just never saw that one coming.

 

I mean "HouGat's had his best season thus far" ... and "Jantjies is a world beater" ...

 

Perhaps the two of them should be called up for Bok service.

 

 


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