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Sharkbok

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Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 14:27:23

 

Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref



 

Top New Zealand referee Chris Pollock has called on the lawmakers in the game to “clean up the rule book” so as to take pressure off referees and ensure a more free-flowing and understandable game.

Pollock’s comments, which were published in the New Zealand Herald hours before Sanzar referees boss Lyndon Bray confirmed he was stood down from the list of names for the playoff rounds, are a plea from a top ref for lawmakers to once again look at the game’s rules.

It is the first time a referee has asked for the lawbook to be cleaned up, and also shows a different side of the story, whereas players and coaches are usually in the spotlight for their comments on referees.

"You are damned if you do and damned if you don't and the bottom line is if our law book was tidied up and simpler it would make everyone's life easier,” Pollock said after coming under fire for red-carding Kane Barrett during the Blues-Chiefs game on the weekend, a decision that robbed the game of being a spectacle.

"We cop it because we have to enforce the lawbook but it does not mean we enjoy that."

Pollock said his game wasn’t at its best in recent weeks, and he came under fire in the first test match between Australia and the British and Irish Lions for his decisions.

"I don't think I have been refereering overly well in the last few weeks, last night will probably cost me a playoff game," Pollock said. "You have a gut feeling when you walk off if you got the majority decisions right or wrong but it was not a performance that was my kind of performance.

"You are like a player. You go through patches when you are in form and battling for form and when that's happening you need a bit of luck and sometimes that's not with you.

"On another day when you have luck, he [Kane Barrett] does not make contact with the head or the yellow card, those things, flashpoints do not happen."

After calling for the big-screen review Pollock sent the Blues blindside flanker from the field.

"We are under a pretty strict edict by the IRB that boots on head are an automatic red card," the referee said.

"So watching the big screen I felt that No 6, his boot came into contact with Craig Clarke's head. It is not for me to judge intent, it is for me to judge fact so that's pretty much what we ruled on."

A bit later, Bray told New Zealand television OneSport that Pollock was dropped from the five referees chosen for the playoff rounds of Vodacom Super Rugby and that the incident in the Blues game contributed to that.

"Yes, it did, and Chris is part of five referees that we considered for the finals and will continue to consider," Bray told ONE Sport today.

"Chris has missed out but it's not just Saturday night, but that obviously has a significant part to play in the decision, but I think Chris has had a pretty tough month.

"The form is one aspect to it, as we look at current form and obviously confidence levels, what sort of form you're carrying into big match rugby, like finals.

"And secondly we do also consider the experience, (and) track record of a referee, just as you would with a player in that context.

"We took all of that into account in determining where does he sit against the other four."

"The best thing for Chris is to get over the last month. He had the big Lions experience of course, (going) into this particular game (Blues v Chiefs)," Bray said.

"The job now for us and for Chris is to get him back into a really good space and back into really good form for the rest of this season."

On the drama surrounding Pollock's decision to issue a red card on Saturday night, Bray was remaining tight-lipped.

"Chris ruled on his factual evidence which I think he did entirely appropriately from a referee perspective. The rest of that now has to go to judicial and we can't afford to prejudice that process at all by discussing any of that incident," he said.

"Simple reality, of course Chris could handle any of the matches in the finals series, that in itself is not an issue.

"But we have five quality referees, four of whom we have considered would get ahead of him on the basis of form and performance in recent weeks."

Jaco Peyper will oversee the Crusaders' semifinal qualifier against the Reds on Saturday night, while Kiwi Glen Jackson will have the whistle for the Brumbies' semifinal qualifier against the Cheetahs on Sunday.


Sharkbok

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 14:28:20

 Another conspiracy that is no doubt driven by Mccaw to allow him more lenience at the breakdown?


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 14:38:40

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Sharkbok

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 14:48:16

 Hakwa we all know that Mccaw paid Piet Van Zyl to tackle the referee. 

It was just as the decisions started to favour the Springboks, and surprise surprise the Referee is tackled.

Notice how Mccaw was the first person to see the Piet Van Zyl and shielded him on the ground. 


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 14:51:41

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Spooony

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 16, 2013, 23:03:11

 Hakwa I do not know if you can construct a sentence together or only communicate in pictures but that is pretty strong considering that NZ supporters flew a plane and endangered players lifes by dropping flour bombs on their heads. 


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 17, 2013, 09:40:58

 he could have broken his neck!


clevermike

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 17, 2013, 10:03:06
Hakwa

I think that it is not the laws that is in doubt - it is the interpretation by referees that is problematic. If you look at that kind of the story - you will find remarkable differences on how NH referees interpret the laws compared to SH referees.

My interpretation of the Barrett-Clark incident is that Barrett was a complete idiot and he should know better. On the other hand - I do not think the head - neck incident was really proven in the video replays and - if the head or neck was involved - Clark would have been injured. The total absence of any injury would have been the deciding factor between w red and a yellow card. There was also the possibility for Pollock to ask Clark whether he needs a concussion test - in other words indirectly where he felt he was trampled on. Pollock did neither and he was a bloody fool not to.

In the absence of any sign of bad injury consequences I think a penalty and yellow card would have sufficed - hence my initial extremely critical response. I think it is for similar reasons that Pollock would not be utilized in the remainder of the Super 15 competition - let him cool off and afterwards given a chance to get back his confidence.


Ceradyne

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 17, 2013, 10:04:46

Hey Mr Pollock, what was that story about a good tradesman never blaming his tools again................?


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 17, 2013, 10:19:59

come on boys! Let us not beat around the bush - the ONLY reason why we are discussing the incident is because the Bulls lost to the Stormers giving up the lead to the Chiefs who just needed to beat the Blues to win! So all you Safer boys need to get mad with the bulls and go easy on our World Class NZ refs!

 


Spooony

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 10:02:42

and SANZAR dropped Pollock


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 12:29:08

 we don't care who is reffing Spoony as long as you play clean, hard rugby NOT the dirty cheap shots we have come to EXPECT


Buzz

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 12:36:44

So Hakwa are you trying to have us believe that its only South Africans that take cheap shots ? And Rugby in New Zealand is clean and unblemished by fools.

your example above , is this not the same guy who was dropped from the boks as a form of punishment and probably told he will never see Green again. Unlike the All Black that spear tackles on a regular basis, Nonu.


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 12:41:07

 

Matfield bad high shot on Dan Carter

 

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 12:53:11

hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 12:29:08


 we don't care who is reffing Spoony as long as you play clean, hard rugby NOT the dirty cheap shots we have come to EXPECT

 

 

I agree.

 

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All Black Adam Thomson's boot on Alasdair Strokosch's head

 

 


hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 14:11:24

Brad Thorne almost broke his back carrying Smit in the air and then letting him down VERY GENTLY LIKE THE BIG BABY HE WAS!

Nothing like "Cannibal" Johan le Roux biting Sean Fitzpatrick's ear! I always wondered where Mike Tyson learnt it from - NOW you know!

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Ceradyne

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 14:33:45

hakwa

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 18, 2013, 14:11:24


Brad Thorne almost broke his back carrying Smit in the air and then letting him down

 

Yeah right. "If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, you try and baffle them with bullshit", I suppose.


Sharkbok

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 19, 2013, 00:14:23
Credit where credit due. Actually picking up the Blubber of John Smit is some feat indeed


carpetmuncher

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RE: Revamp rugby lawbook - NZ ref
July 19, 2013, 13:58:52

there is no lawbook for nz refs and teams that is the thing


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