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mozart

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Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 29, 2013, 23:46:35
We have heard all season how the Cheetahs loosies are the way forward for Bok rugby. I keep looking for Lappes outside the lineouts but all I saw was Kolisi busting through him for a try. And Brussouw was outplayed handily by Fourie,but he had no help in the tough stuff from the other Cheetahs loosies ....Meyer hasn't got this one wrong.

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I also looked for something special from other mentioned Cheetahs players....the whole front row. They certainly didn't upstage a patchwork Stormers threesome. Oosthuizen's miss of Habana with zero space was unacceptable, even for a prop. And Adriaanse was under the cosh from Kitshoff.

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At lock I also looked for Lood, but all I saw was Etzebeth. Really? The gulf between these players is massive.

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Behind the pack Rhule and Ebersohn were also toothless....as was Willie who looked like a player with test match hangover.

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I hope this ends the Lappies, van der Walt, Ebersohn, Rhule, Adriaanse hype. None of these guys are test match players


Sharkbok

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 00:23:12

Agreed in many areas, although I would not rule out Lappies.

I believe the stats for the competition will show he has been one of the most consistent loose forwards, or perhaps even the best performer in the whole SuperXV.

The Cheetas played badly as a whole today.

The Stormers are a team than when they click they do not allow the oppostion to play. 

When  the Stormers get their attack right they are still one of the best teams in the tournament. 


Shezza

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 00:59:37

I like how you've completely dismissed the Cheetahs win against the Stormers in their first meeting.


mozart

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 01:12:51
Actually the two wins were a little different....the Cheeahs by 2 points and the Stormers by 25. But let's set that little technicality aside. The point I have been making all season is the Cheetahs are playing outstanding team rugby....especially since their players are a level below the Big Three in talent.

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But their success has been interpreted as an affirmation of their talent. So Willie, Rhule, Ebersohn, van Zyl, Coenie, Strauss, Adriaanse, Nyakani, Lood de Jager, Labuschagne, van der Walt and Brussouw are all pushed for Bok spots.

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Only Willie, Strauss and perhaps Coenie convince me....Brussouw is still trying with everything he has, but I fear his time has passed.

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Now you can have a little hissyfit if you like Shezzie. But I suspect that's very close to the view you'd get from the professionals in the Bok camp.


Shezza

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 01:57:30

 I've always thought that Rhule and Adriaanse aren't deserving of the Boks as well as saying there are better options than Van Zyl (rated Reinach higher), Van Der Walt (Botha), Ebersohn (Serfontein) and De Jager (Etzebeth).

Labuschagne, Nyakane, Willie, Coenie and Strauss are all quality.

Please don't share your views and opinions in the same light as the 'professionals'....


mozart

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 02:51:43
Now you've gone and hurt my feelings....oh dear.....I can't share my views in the same light as the "professionals".


JeromeV

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 05:48:11
I've always rated Deon Fourie a class player, its a pity he doesn't get much credibility to be included for the boks. If there is anyone I could choose to bring a sense of speed to the backrow I'd recommend Deon Fourie. Kolisi is on another level of class, if Vermeulen and Bekker was playing it would've been even worse for the Cheetahs. De Allende and Jantjies was the only stand out players in the backline, De Allende knows how to get over the advantage line effectively. If I was the Coach I would put him on the wing for Aplon if De Villiers returns at inside centre. I'm not exactly sure why Le Roux is at fullback for the Cheetahs, he was in top form at wing which is where he belongs. When Le Roux is put under pressure and forced to kick he doesn't kick well enough. Le Roux is a good attacking fullback but he needs to improve on some aspects first. Considering how bad the Kings played I wouldn't be surprised if Stormers get a bonus point next week, Stormers played as a team, good win.


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 10:44:06

 Moz, a 127kg prop missing a world class wing is a given. Coenie was not athletic enough to get to Habana. Coenie had a great game, his charges with ball in hand were a pleasure to watch and at times he really kicked arse in the scrums.

 

Labascagne had a quite game, disagree on Fourie outplaying Brussouw, I preferred Brussouw in a loosing cause. Lood has had a great year at 4 and for once he was quiet.

 

I expected more from the Cheetahs, but it was a good day for the Stormers. de Allende was good again at 13 and the stand out player in the forwards was Kolisi


JeromeV

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 13:32:14
A girl, Lood de Jager was ordinary which was always going to be the case when he is up against Etzebeth. You seem to be the only one in the hype of de Jager when really he hasn't been prominent in his previous matches as well but rather decent. There is a higher standard of class locks that would completely outplay him, but to take into account his age he has a lot of time to develop.


mozart

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 14:43:02
Dave I never saw Coenie put any pressure on Brok Harris. And that missed tackle came bcause he turned inside....Habana had one metre to manouvre, if Coenie simply stood still ini that metre there was no way through. But the tackle attempt was disappointingly clumsy for our supposedly most mobile prop.


kingcorn

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 15:59:57

 This really pisses me off when people on here slag off players that are only in their first or second year of super rugby. I think Kolisi had a great game and he just showed what an attacking threat he is with ball in hand. To me he is our future Liam Messam, exactly the same build and have the skill to match. 

The cheetahs didn't really perform last night and to be honest most of the first 60 mins was a snooze fest, it only got a bit lifely once De Allende start punching wholes in the midfield. 

I have never much paid attention to Lood but this kid is 21!!!! We really have some fantastic youngsters for the future.

For me Kolisi is a must to start for the boks, Marcel Coetzee have been extremely dissapointing this year. Must be going through that second year blip, players know who is now and know how to mark him out of the game. 

For the boks my back three would be

6. Kolisi

7. Louw

8. Vermeulen

Sub Alberts. 


mozart

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 17:05:46
Corn......Eben Etzebeth is 21....is the penny starting to drop?


Spooony

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 19:54:30

Ugm ugm. Considering the teams the Cheetah's had they have always been underperforming. Not to even count the altitude advantage they have.

 

Stormers got cheated last with a dodgy penalty so they decided to give the Blik Ore a free 3 pointer at the start and shut them up for the rest of the game 


Shezza

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 20:06:34

 Spoony, what are you on about? Last time the Cheetahs beat you fair and square, typical Western Province supporter...


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 20:17:51

 Well I saw Coenie kicking Harris's arse a good few times.

 

Lucid you are speaking a load of [removed], Lood has been a huge find for the Cheetahs this year and everyone has commented as much. The lad has made a few S15 sides of the week. Maybe you should catch a wake up.

 

I was actually is little disappointed in Etzebeth, he was good, but only marginally better than Lood.

 

Lood has the potential to be a Bok, of that I have no doubt. He is a better prospect than the likes of Flip and Kruger aged 20


Spooony

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 20:59:55

Shezza if you take that sentece seriously I take it your a Cheaters I mean Cheetah's supporter?

 

Its Stormers playing mate. Different franchise,

 

@A girl

Was that before or after Coenie conceded 3 penalties? 

 


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 21:10:01

 You are living in a dreamworld Spoon, Coienie did not concede 3 penalties.

 

Its about as accurate on your take Kolisi vs Brussouw.......last I checked they both played 6 on Sat - what does that tell you wise man???


Spooony

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 21:16:30

@A girl are you the same one who said Willie had linebreaks?

Dunno but this site is accurate with its stats

http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match21332.html

 

Did you use fantasy rugby to get stats?

  Last time I checked Fourie is the openside who was the jackal and Kolisi the ball carrier performing the blindside's job.

 

In South Africa and France blindside is 7 rest of the world 6 


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 21:22:14

I said nothing about Willie and I dont need stats to tell me how well a player did. I saw Coenie with my own eyes and he was good in the scrums and general play. He missed Habana, I have no issue with a prop missing a wing. Coenie is mobile for a big guy, but that mobility is very relative


Spooony

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 21:51:31

I saw him too and and he gave 3 away.

I agree with you partly with Coenie he is the best we currently got. But we do not have many in the prop cupboard. World class they are not and they lack technique


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 22:09:28

Rubbish we have good young props to burn. Coenie did not give away 3 penalties 

 

Coenie, Nkanyane, Adriaanse, Kitshoff, Malherbe, Beast, Herbst, Frik Kirsten, Mellett, Beast and Marcel v/d Merwe are all quality props


Ceradyne

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 22:45:48

Coenie was penalised three times. www.espn.co.uk/super-rugby-2013/rugby/match/170251.html


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 22:57:03
KAK


Ceradyne

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 23:15:37

I forgot. You do not believe in facts.


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 23:19:55
Make that stats dimwit


Ceradyne

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 23:23:55

Stats....... facts. Same thing poepol.


Saffex

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
June 30, 2013, 23:28:25

Yeah if you are stupid enough to believe that some twit marks down a missed tackle when its clearly not. But best of all stats provide no context at all and only those that lack a real eye for the game swear by them - let me guess stats turn you on


Rugganut

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
July 01, 2013, 05:39:59

A girl only believes in his own deluded opinion and when anybody disagrees or offers an opinion he is an idiot and all the rest. This is the same rhetorc all the time. First class [removed] head who is always offsides.


Spooony

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RE: Cheetah's loosies dominated
July 01, 2013, 19:57:35

Dunno why a guy at age 24 is suddenly converted to a tighthead. He should have been converted long time ago. 

 

He can't get bigger as his BMI is already at 36. He can just add fat which would be unhealthy


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