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Brycy

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Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 02:19:25

 

Nelson Mandela's deteriorating condition could have a major impact on the business end of the Super Rugby season.

Blues coach Sir John Kirwan says they've been informed that if Mr Mandela dies, there'll be a 10 day mourning period in the republic, during which there won't be any sport.

The Blues are preparing to face the Sharks in Durban this weekend.

Sir John says it's difficult to find out what will happen in the event Mr Mandela dies.

He says officials simply don't want to talk about that possibility.


Sharkbok

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 02:31:40

I would expect this will be considered a goodwill forfeit by any SA teams.

 

This means opposition teams from foreign countries will by default be given 4 points as a win.

SA teams playing against each other would probably be given a draw of 2 points if they both forfeit.

 

It will be upto SANZAR of course to decide, but given the worldwide status of Mandela on the Psyche on our culture, something shall be worked out to prioritize. It is only a Sports game afterall.  


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 03:48:28

should no sport be played in SA due to the death of Nelson Mandela, then SANZAR will more then likely name it a draw for all teams involved. the crusaders v hurricanes match in 2011 ended up being a no contest after the christchurch earthquake and both teams walked away with two points.

the real crazy thing is the possibilty of the 10 day no sport period effecting a possible two rounds in SA, that has huge ramifications for the cheetahs and blues who are in finals contention.

should madeba pass away, it would prob be a good thing for nonSA teams to not play the saffas, cos motivation outside the norm would be on the saffas side by the truck load.


clevermike

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 07:34:09
As far as the general public knows Mandela is on life support at this stage and there are conflicting reports on his condition from day to day. President Obama is due here today and even his staff do not know what is going to happen in the event of the death of Madiba. Obama is accompanied by nearly a 1000 business men and other interest groups and that would also be a serious problem for them as well.

I do not think that Madiba's death would have any real political significance - he has been keeping out of poltics since his retirement as President in 1998 and has not been seen in public since 2010, but the moral impact will be massive. One must realize he will be 95 years old on 18 July 2013 and that he is already a very weak old man with lung problems - so it is with pity that most people accept that he is not likely to survive - even though we all pray he does.


bluebok

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 10:07:07
I have endless respect for Mandela and what he did for South Africans of all races. Many South Africans don't appreciate just how massive the worldwide respect is for him. He will go down in history with the likes of Ghandi. He is not just the leader of a South African revolution, he is an international icon.

Having said all that, should he die, I can't see why the whole of South Africa should grind to a halt for 10 days. Life must go on and we should celebrate his life, not stop everything and sit around feeling sorry for ourselves. Super rugby and all other sports should go ahead as planned.


Spooony

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 11:27:40

Which part you were referring to? The part where he bombed woman and children or the part where he got a 20 percent stake of De Beers and pretend to care?


CleanCut

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 11:56:37

You mean to say he’s not your messiah, Spoon??

 

That's a surprise!!!

 

He prevented a bloodbath in this country and deserves respect for it.

 

He's old and tired. Has had an amazing life that most of us will never realize.

 

It's time for him to move on now!!

 

 


bluebok

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 13:13:29
In short...what Clean said! Mandela did some horrible things, but that is part of a revolution. Peaceful protests were not effective against the Apartheid state. The only action was aggressive action. As Clean said, the end result is they achieved what they set out to achieve, and Mandela leadership ensured a peaceful transition. Is he a saint, hell no, did he do some terrible things, yes, but he was fighting for an ideal, and he was not vengeful once he achieved it, as most leaders in his position would be. He forgave, and looked forward.


Saffex

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 13:39:53
Spoon you are a complete insensitive prick. Let me guess, if you were black would you have been happy being supressed for most of your life. More than anything, I respect Madiba for putting aside the fact that he wasted 27 years of his life in prison as a result of fighting for justice and equality, harboured no grudges against those bigots who put him away and embraced all SA'ns in his time as president.

He is a better man than the lot of us put together. One of the greatest human beings to walk this earth.


Beeno1

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 14:08:26

Mandeal is a media myth that SA needs as they strive to find a role model tha tthe ycan say mandela wouldnt hav edone that etc

Historians in future years  will find him out. He has been involved in unsavoury matters and his silence on government corruption has been deafening. The myth will disolve as the facts become better know.

Having lived in two African countries besides SA and travelled into others I am always surprised at the fact that it is consider entirely the fault of the white population that blacks in SA are not first world beaters. It amazes me that the analysis is so superficial that everything negative here is blamed on apartheid. More so as our black population is beter off than in any country in Africa.

To much herd mentality and and knee jerk reactions which will be exposed as folly in due course.


bluebok

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 14:49:18
Mandela is far from a perfect man, but his leadership cannot be questioned. As for his silence on corruption, so what, he has retired from politics, and has therefore been silent on all matters, good and bad.

Beans you strike me as part of an ignorant group that can't see the wood for the tree. He forgave all that was done to him and millions of others by the white minority. He should be forgiven for what he did while fighting that very same minority. Nobody thinks he was an angel, but they admire what he did when he took power. Forgiveness is the key word. As a strong Christian I would expect you to see that.


Saffex

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 15:00:25
Beenkop you are a twat, I have lost all respect for you, not that I had much of it in the first place. I now know why


Rooinek

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 15:39:38

Mandela is a media myth you say, Baboon-ou? A media-myth who will be "found out" by historians in future years?

 

Sounds like you know about as much about history and politics as you do about rugby . . . or the origins of the universe! Wehe!


Saffex

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 17:14:40
My guess is Beenkop is a racist


canrugby

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 19:00:13
Spoony, and Beeno. My mom taught me "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all".

I think you should take that advice while the man is dying. Leave it alone.


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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 21:00:09

Haha RooiAas ....let's see last time you mentioned history you thought you were quoting Camus, turned out it was Santayana. Perhaps you should just leave history alone. That way you won't look like a pompous moron.


Beeno1

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 22:56:39

 Bwahahahahaha his leadership cannot be questioned. Bluebok your first calamtious mistake. No wonder you have sucked up all the media hype.

Look if folk want to believe in the tooth fairy and St Mandela myth please feel free. However there is no doubt in decades to come when serious history is written the vedict will be different.

Of course he is a flawed character but stating that has ou rooitwit and snapster in tears. Grow up boys!! my saying it is not being nasty but being realistic. But again cling to madiba majic and all that rubbish if you for some reason find it helpful.

While Tutu and others have condemed corruption Mandela has not said a word. Of course today he should be left out of it but for years he could have said something and given his status it would have ment a lot. He said zip. The anc was more important than SA. It has been said that he was fiully aware of the murders taking place in the anc death camps but did zip. He has also been linked to corruption. What is the truth will eventually come out. 

I heard a speech of his to the anc and it was a completely different character to his media persona.

No count me out I do not like being led by the nose. No evolution fairy tale, no automatically sucking up the global warming story.  It seems one can criticise Jake or any coach player perosn but not the media St mandela. What a laugh. Or maybe its not so funny seeing how folk can be so sadly brainwashed.

As for your comments snapster, really why would I care even a little as to your opinion of me!. The old racist card - Yaaaaawn. Clutching at straws because I support Louw ahead of Kolisi? Bwahahahahahhahaha

I will leave the the Mandela groupies to their delusions. Snapster do you still think matfield weighed 115 kg. Hahahahahhahahaha 

 

 


Rooinek

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 23:02:26

Agree, Canrugby. There's a time to slag someone off but that time is not when the person is on their deathbed.

 

This thread is about the possibility of Super Rugby games being cancelled or even forfeited if and when Madiba passes away. The Mandela-bashers should ask themselves who else would command that kind of national respect? Do you think Super Rugby games would be postponed or cancelled if Jacob Zuma or Julia Gillard was run over by a bus? I somehow doubt it.


Saffex

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 23:47:17
Beenkop you are a fucking disgrace and an insult to SA. You are scum


mozart

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 28, 2013, 23:57:34
Steady on there Dave, that's not the Mandela spirit. I don't for one moment think Hasbeen is a racist and he is entitled to his point of view. So is everybody else. But I agree with Canrugby, this is not the moment or even the place to opine.


Saffex

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 01:18:09

Those insensitive comments just pissed me off, the man has a history of this.......Kiwi earthquackes spring to mind.

 

Beenkop is a wanker

 

 


David.Searle

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 01:24:51

 Allmost as much a wanker as me who has given up on SouthAfrica

and sitting in England providing an outlook like a pommie 

 

FACT -anyone that leaves SA is a wanker, especialliy me. 

I believe in the multi-cultural South Africa with the utmost faith, although I am a hypocrite because I live elsewhere/

 


Denny

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 04:12:54

"I respect Madiba for putting aside the fact that he wasted 27 years of his life in prison as a result of fighting for justice and equality, harboured no grudges against those bigots who put him away and embraced all SA'ns in his time as president."

 

Well said, Dave. That act alone shows his greatness, he set the tone upon his release, there was no bitterness, no respite nor vindictiveness. A very hard act to follow and in that he saved the country...you can take it from me that there were many who today still would like to exact revenge.

 

Dave, Your take has won my respect .


Spooony

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 06:02:24

@Saffex

 

Call me whatever the fuck you want at least I am honeest and do not pretend with stupid ass kissing posts. You have no backbone. I can see why you ran. Good stay there. 

 

And O I am colored myself live in a place called Vahalla Park in Cape Flats. Google it up. They say perception is the mother of all F ups.

 

@Polyboy

 

You must really understand what happened in SA. And I am not talking about the shit the media showed to the international community. They showed only what they wanted to show to turn the Afrikaner in to the public enemy no 1 in the worlds eyes and are still being slapped with being racist and oppressors etc etc.

 

The animosity between the Xhosas and the Zulus goes back hundreds of years. The Zulu tyrant, Shaka, at the time was committing genocide against other tribes. Wiping out an estimated 2 million people in what is now known as the Defecane (great scattering). The Swazis and the Ndebeles fled back north in the direction of central Africa where they migrated from. The Sotho?s fled into the mountains of what is today, Lesotho. The rest of the smaller tribes huddled together trying to find strength in coalescing.

Shaka?s terror was so great that Mzilikazi, the chief of the Matabeles fled back north...in the direction where Zimbabwe is today.

 

In between this ruckus the Europeans arrived. Shaka was killed by his half brother Dingaan and he was in power and the new king. So he went out and murdered other tribes, europeans and whoever they ran into.

 

Europeans thought back and with the help of other  tribes manage to defeat the Zulu's. Did they kick em off their land? Oh wait owning property is a european concept.

 

But still they moved on and went and try to settle on a area where no tribe set foot on or would have tried to set foot on it cause it hot, dry and veldt where nothing basically would grow.  The african tribes were scattered in the places where the best rainfall and land were. Europenas did not go and take anything. They tried to buy some land and were murdered. So they defended themselves and moved on to land where no one wanted to live. The largest part of South Africa is called the Karoo. It is a semi dessert comparable to Arizona or Nevada in the USA. The Europeans went and set up camp on it and and turned it into one of the worlds best meat producers. Just go and have a look of SA rainfall and compare it to the homelands.  You will note its most fertile ground in the whole country.

 

But then Gold was discovered in that shithole piece of land. The British eyes lid up and in the end  they got hold of the minerals with the Scorched Earth Policy” whixh was  burning their farms to the ground, killing their livestock and interning their women and children in horrific concentration camps where 27,000 women and children died...there was no “Bailout” or “Marshal Plan” to rebuild South Africa.


 

Then take into account that the mines were under British control. So here you sit with your farms destroyed. Lost 27000 woman and children plus your riches is under forreign control. Then add South Africa has nine official Black languages, with 23 sub categories and innumerable dialects plus you sit with hundreds of tribes who have just met civilization and most of them trying to kill of the other. How do you put them all into one country and please everyone?

 

Well the Briitish kicked off procedings. The Selbourne memorandum said that there were more differences between the people of Ireland or Canada than there were between the Boers and the British of South Africa. Basically, the idea before the Unification of South Africa in 1910 was to unite the two white tribes and separate them from the blacks.

 

Lionel Curtis and Patrick Duncan confided in each other, “The fact is that we have all been moving steadily from the Cape idea of mixing up white, brown and black and developing the different grades of colour strictly on the lines of European civilisation, to the very opposite conception of encouraging as far as possible the black man to separate from the white and to develop a civilisation, as he is beginning to do in Basutoland, on his own lines.” (Patrick Duncan Papers BC294C23.3.8, University of Cape Town, Manuscripts and Archives, Curtis to Duncan, 26 Nov 1907).

 

Also there was a agreement that each of the tribes were going to get their own homelands. Where they would be independant countries. The homelands were as follows

Transkei –Xhosa

Ciskei – Xhosa

Venda – Venda

Bophuthatswana – Tswana

Gazankulu – Tsonga/Shangaan

KaNgwane – Swazi

KwaNdebele – Ndebele

KwaZulu – Zulu

Lebowa – Pedi (Northern Sotho)

QwaQwa – Sotho

Note how some tribes got TWO or even THREE countries of their own. The Xhosas got both Ciskei and Transkei. The Tswanas who have their own country called Botswana, also got Bophuthatswana

 

So you see it wan't racial segregration but in fact seperated by culutures who was deem not to be iincompatiible with each other. 

 

When daimonds was discovered in Botswana the Britsh suddenly took Botswana under its potection. But more on that a bit later

So you can see the segregation started of in 1907 in fact and not 1949. Furthermore the mines in British control and Gen Smuts being Brittians guy doing it their way while Smuts made the Boers believe (he founded the RAF).

 

In fact the Afrikaners were being setup. In the 1920's white mineworkers went on strike and Smuts use then airforce to bomb the shit out of them. They then opened the mines for all races. Doing this meant Rhodes and Oppenheimer were guarenteed cheap labour for the next 70 years. They just must make sure that they keep the fires burning. between both sides.

Now there was no border controll between the homelands and South Africa. In fact people could come from anyhwere in Africa and just walk into a mine job cause they are the ones that is easily exploited and will work for peanuts.

 

So between 1915 and 1936 the African population grew from 4 million to 36 million. 32 Million in that short space of time? You can look around Africans do not have 20 children per household. That number was mainly thanks to no border control.

  Also SA have helped the homelands by inviting investors to start businesses there where employment was created. Casino's were build there and all types of business and as soon as they were self relient SA gave them independance. They voted for their own leaders. Had their own country but their citizens lost their SA citizenship.  

So as things went on and De Beers was making billlions building a mining monopoly as well as a daimond cartell and a place which was intended for hostels of mineworkers turned into one of the biggest townships. SA governement tried to place systems to establish who is from where by introducing passes and who is a citzen. (ID BOOK called today). 

 

But again the mining bosses got clever. Get leaders in the african communtiy to control the african communties and to make sure that they stir up trouble and the SA goverment place stricter laws in place. Less rights mean cheap labour. So the leaders they educated was called into action with the burning of the passes. Imagine USA had not border control for 20 years. How would USA make up be?

 

Now when you look at SA during certain periods ignore media reports that was shown but look what was happening in the world that same time.

 

Around the 50's the Cold War broke out. USA, Australia and others banned all parties affiliated to any communist parties and had the right to cease their property and assets. SA followed suite and banned any party affiliated to communist parties or activities. THe ANC off course was back by Russia and others from the Eastern block. So they were not banned cause they were a black party but because they were affiliated with COMMUNIST. 

 

Verwoerd almost destroyed the SACP and the ANC. Now Russia's interest was daimonds. As they had to sell under the De Beers cartell and if they went outside it De Beers who at the time had enough daimonds to flood the markett with it and produce a country who was struggling financly basically to nothing. So the race began for  controll of the daimonds in Africa. De Beers had SA and Botswana ("thanks to it being under British Protection"). Communists took Angola and wanted to grab Namibia as well.

 

The ANC then started the no education before liberation campaign. If you want to controll the masses the best is to keep them uneducated so they cannot see through you. Like Buthelezi did. He saw right through them. Steve Biko went to a university and was educated there. SA goverment build schools universities and education was offered for free. It wasn't lesser education. It might have seemed that way but European kids had a headstart and you could not use the same level for tribes who were speaking languages that wasn't written down and had only words for common used words in everyday life. Like windows, knife etc etc.

 

A lot of words from african languages were taken from English and Afrikaans. In 1976 the Soweto riot were started due to part of education being in either afrikaans or english. Not to opress but because there were no word to explain Einstein theory of relativity in Xhosa or Zulu or any other language. THose words were not invented yet in those languages. So how are you going to educate them? In languages that have those words that was English or Afrikaans.

 

Have you ever wonder why police were patrolling inside townships trying to keep peace rather than just blocking it off and let the people kill each other? Well because black and black murders voilence made up most of the numbers of the people killed in apartheid. Any person who did agree with the ANC or supported them were tortured and killed. Google necklace murders. Mandela's wife was a expert in it. 

 

ANC and IFP clashed and the ANC do what they been doing since the 70's was killing of the opposition by the masses.  Bophuthatswana have the biggest Platinum reserves in the world. They did not want to intregrate with SA in 94 so they ANC do a thing they designed called mass action. Sent in guys and torched the place killing opposition supporters. The leader of it were saved by a bunch of right wingers from getting slaughtered. It was intergrated by force and thus putting the platinum riches back  under the mine giants controll.

 

ANC leaders never went to protests where people were killed. Why? Cause they set it up by sending in woman and children with a few shit stirrers in the middle where the police will open fire when they were threathen. Sharpeville. The media failed to mention the 6 policeman who were black, white and from indian decent who where brutaly murdered a week before. They were beaten to death and cut to pieces. Basically they were lured into a what they were thinking was a drunkedn brawl. They were ambushed chased down and hacked to death beyond recognition.

 

Then after that they arrange hundreds of protestors to march down at the Police station. The organizer of it was sitting miles away in a tavern having a beer while he sent in his own supporters with the knowledge they will be mowed down. You can imagine why the police fired. It was for the struggle? Really? Sending in innocent people who you purpossely kept uneducated to die to forward your own enrichment schemes are not idols or heroes. They are cowards.

 

After 1995 the ANC took 20 percent of De Beers. The money went into their own pockets while the people they said they thought for live in even harser conditions than they did in apartheid. More people died in police detention in 2 years then the combined total of ppeople who died in detention in Apartheid.

 

SA were starting from 1950 onwards startin to relax the apartheid laws. Only laws that were stepped up where laws against terrorism which nowhere stated skin color. It stated person and no matter the color who go out and bomb churches, schools and innocent people or suspected of it can be held in detention without being charged for a long period, Incidently the US got that exact same law today! Why it was protecting its citizens. Which includes all colors. If they did not stop the people from gettin educated Apartheid would have been over by 1987 even earlier with huge amounts of employment rates and businessmen of all colors.

 

Also ask yourself the question why would the UN bang on SA when 200 000 to 300 000 people got murdered in Rwanda, Idi Amin deported thousands of indians out of Uganda?

 

South Afirca richest country in the world when one considers the mineral wealth beneath its soil. Who gives a shit when 4 million Rwanda's get muedered in retaliation to the 200 000 that murdered? Oh wait does Rwanda have rich minerals? No so fuck them. No money there.

 

South Africa possesses 93% of the world?s Manganese, 83% of the Platinum, 61% of the world?s Vanadium, 63% of the Gold, 29% of all the diamonds, amongst many others

 

He did not go sit 27 years in prison for the struggle. He planted bombs and killed people. No hero in my books. Same as branding Barend Strydom aka the Witwolf as hero, Murderer as well. Would never respect them no matter how many World Cups or baby's he kissed. I still have my common principles and respect for a murderer I will never have.

 

Oh on Botswana. When it got independance. It had 12 km of paved road and 20 percent of its people unemployed. They were left with nothing. They went to the "Boer" and asked for help. They got it and  look at Botswana now. One of the fastest growing economies in the world. On a dust bowl they created farms to provide food. They look after their farmers like hospital babies. And most are white farmers.

 

Bush war with Cubans and Angolans who used guerrilla warfare. Same tactic that kicked the French and US out of Vietnam. Here we sent in soldiers of all colors to help other black to kick out foreign invaders. And we did not go Napalm villages or raped woman to do it. We manage to win a guerilla warfare by educating the soldiers how to react with locals and how to treat them with dignity and respect. Tje locals turned on the guerilla fighters and suddenly they had nowhere to hide.

 

And SA did it with sanctions against them. Fuel embargo? No problem. Turn coal into fuel SASOL created. 

Arms embargo? No problem. Build our own KRYGKOR was born. Also go check the date when SA pulled out of the commonwealth and the date the ANC took up arms. Dates are very close to each other. 

 

It seems the only crime that South Africans were guilty of was to allow foreigners into their country to earn an income they can live off. The idea of every nationality 'each to his own' has failed

 

Why are there not Germans in the UK parliament ?

Why are there not Mexicans in the US parliament ?

Why are there not Palistinians in the Israeli parliament ?

Then why are there people of other nationalities in my coutry's parliament ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 10:07:40

 Spoony thanks for all the effort re your long and very interesting post.I am copying it and will read it carefully as I have only speed read it for now.

Whilst the struggle was on Mandy and the ANC were given sainthood status in the world media. Nothing they did could be wrong and certainly no mention could be made of it. Suckers like ou snapster simply sucked it up and were completely taken in9 Just as he was taken in re the big matfield media statements!!)

Since taking power the anc's reputation has nose dived due to unprecedented looting of state coffers, corruption and inefficiecy and their attachments to dictators like Castro, Gadaffi and Mugabe -strange friends for a saint one would think.  Indeed a guy like Julius Malema is simply the outcome of being a child in the anc and growing up in that toxic environment developed by the leadership of the anc.

With mandy you have to seach a bit to find the dark side. At the moment SA desparately needs a role model so its of benefit to have a saint to refer to and benchmark behaviour even if that saint is no saint at all. Now is not the time to present the truth re st mandy I am not referring to his impending death.

What mandy did and was invloved in will come out in future decades as historians get into historical documents as they become available. When that happens poor dopes like ou snapster and rooitwit (who still believes matfield weighed 115kg -d ispite matfield himself saying he weighed at his best between 106 and 108 kg!! - again totally delusional from the oak - hahahahhahahaha) will be left dismayed and in tears. Darn thet will say that astute beeno was right aagain after all. How does he do it they will ponder. Hahahahahaha. Could Beeno also be right about there being no tooth fairy. Beeno shouldnt be calling my mum a liar - how insensitive can the twit get!!!! No decency at all a real scum bag sob, sob and sob!

Snapster re the Christchurch incident for which I was banned - I offered sincere condolences to the people of Christchurch regarding their tragdedy, I mean what srt of erson would not be moved by a diater like that! I also said I hoped the abs would be quaking in their boots the next time they faced the abs. These two remarks were made in two separate posts close in time. I make no apology for the abs quacking and see no reason to ever do so - standard fare for a Bok fan. I was reinstated to the forum, as it was realised how daft the banning had been.

Now as to being insensitive. Other than some brainwashed dopes who of the mandy family or relatives are posting here. Hands up please. Secondly I find it extremely funny that you of all people speak of sensitivity. Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha - sorry snapster (sic) having posted with you all these years I had no idea how sensitive you are (it has been so deeply hidden -bwahahahaha)  or how deep your immature and uniformed hero worship of mandy was. And what would st mandy think of your calling me scum - I am sure he would firmly rebuke you and tell you are unworthy to be a follower!! Hilarious really. Beeno insensitive opines ou snapster of all people. Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha - this is a classic - many thanks for the laugh snapster brilliant comedy!!!

Any enough heat oaks if you suffer from st mandy delusions you are welcome to them but dont imagine all think the same way and have to remain silent while genuflect and you worship your idol and marvel at the power of madiba magic etc etc. You are free to hold to your rediculous opinion and I to mine which will without any doubt at all be proved correct because of evidence that has already come to light.

 

 


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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
June 29, 2013, 10:23:51

 I heard an amazing testimony recently about a former anc member. He and a goup of terorrists and I use the term deliberately were ordered to go to a church and blow up the congregation. The preacher wa preaching the gospel and the leader of the group responded and got saved. He never gave his team the signal to blow the place up. anc command were furious and he was taken to the bush to be burnt alive. The guy thought he was finished. He asked God to help. Immediately a massive storm blew up. So violent was it that it blew the can of petol away and his captors were so terrified they ran off. He was left alone to marvel at Gods intervention and walked away unharmed.

A friend of mine was at St James church when some terrorists came in and stated shooting bravely with automatic weapons at the folk there that morning. Amazingly someone had a pistol and shop back. The brave terrorists fled immediately so only a few died. 

Bluebok I cant think of any big christians only those who believe and those or dont.  

Enough said on to the rugby. 


Rugganut

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 01, 2013, 06:11:25

Spoony. Thanks for the insight and one i am certainly going to research, which may take years but might provide a lot of enrichment.

Madiba, you have blessed our nation and baught a lot of intternational attention to all South Africans which has in some cases allowed us to play on the international stage. You have launched the platform that hopefully one day a government will be elected for 'good governance' and not along racial lines.


bluebok

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 01, 2013, 14:14:29
Nice post Spooony, you present some good points. In principle I agree with what you have said, but there is another side to the story as well. The apartheid government were also party to plenty of atrocities. My point still remains though, what Mandela did AFTER he took power is what defined him. What he did before I don't defend, but sometimes it is necessary to fight fire with fire. Beans, we can only make assumptions based on the information at hand, anything beyond that is uneducated speculation.


Blikkies

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 01, 2013, 15:49:31
I have huge respect and admiration for what he did post 1994. He succeeded in unifying sport in this country and thus contribute towards nation building. Is he a saint and should we be grateful for his forgiveness? No, not at all but his years in prison changed his outlook. Many posters of this board are either too young or forgot why he spent all those years in jail and I urge you to have a look at this video to get some perpective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKO7MmJ60zY


mozart

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 01, 2013, 18:10:01

 I remember watching that clip before Blikkies. The more you see in life, the more you realize it's not the truth, but somebody's interpretation of the truth that prevails. Most of the stuff we read is  undoubtedly filled with fiction.

There is good and bad in this story, as in most things human. 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 02, 2013, 12:41:07

oh perrrrlease, as a kiwi living in OZ who has almost watched all of invictus which by beeno logic makes me an expert on all things madeba i have to say that madiba is a great man indeed.
my favourite part in invictus was when the saffa pilot was about to do a 9/11 and ram that being 747 on the rugby grounds, apparently he didnt get the memo that the All Blacks had been posioned after reading one of beenos posts, but then madiba sttod up and stared the plane down and shouted "u shall not pass", and the boeing 747 ran away with its tail between its legs, easily my favourite part in that doco, :oP

but on a serious note, its disappointing to read that mandelas got a lot of haters, hes respected in nearly every corner of the earth and for great reason too,
SA owe him a huge debt of grattitude for no one did more to unite SA then the great Nelson Mandela.

praying for ur comfort madiba and all of Gods blessings madiba, :o)


mozart

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RE: Mandela's condition could impact on Super rugby
July 03, 2013, 00:22:02
And comfort for the grandmother who died holding hands with her grandaughter, who was disfigured for life.


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