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Bok -Bef$K

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"Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 10:00:57

So Samoa once again lived up to their number 1 ranking of the most dirtiest team.

1) Grabbing a player by his testicales! - I wonder if the rest of the Samoa team were a bit wary of the coward Solialo when it came to shower time?

 

2) Stiff arm tackle to JDV's chin - Well done to JDV for getting up.

 

3) Kicking Coenie - Well done to Coenie for keeping his cool.

 

But I think there is more to it, maybe the wee Ab's asks Samoa to do them these favour because they can't do it themselve's? Unless your Andrew Hore who can only take cheap shots hitting  player from the back. Same favour they asked Bryce Lawrence?

Why do NZ and Samoa also never play against each other????


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 11:05:41

Bokbe I have just asked the question as to whether we have had Samoa in our pool in every world cup we have played.

There does appear to be a strong connecrtion. I visited some Polynesian rugby websites some years ago and one comment was the abs were the best polynesian team in the world. They regard themselves as part of ab rugby and will do what they can t o ensure the abs win. Possibly why they are still  rugby colonies of nz? Hence their consistent attempt to injure the Boks at the WC via cheap shots.

Note something else as well. The Samoans in my view did not play dirty against either Italy or Scotland. I had hoped they were on a new path.

No, as Moz says, something has to be done.  The IRB needs to have a serious talk to the oaks and tell them to clean up their act or face the consequences. SARFU should enquire as to how it is we always get these oaks in our pool.

That Solialo got away with this is total nonsense. The still arm deseved a years ban at least. Red card is not enough. Still message needs to be sent out.Jean could have ended in a wheel chair.

As for the abs I do believe that despite some poor discipline while on tour in the NH (and their loutish fans as well!!) the abs are  a cleaner side today than in the past.  They are more subtle about the dark arts these days. Its all about getting away with it by whatever means possible. We hope too that here the  IRB keeps a close watch on proceeedings via ref stats and performances etc. Perhaps they should appoint that beacon of virtue Bob Dywer to assist in rooting out corruption?


moolaa

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 11:18:30

 Bok-Bef...  The last time the Abs played Samoa (2008), we beat them 101-14. We've only ever played them 5 times to the Boks' 8. A bit disgraceful seeing they're in our part of the world!

Whilst the Boks get Samoa in just about every WC, we get to play Tonga who in my view play even more recklessly than the Samoans!


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 12:42:00

Moooo  la the Tongans I agree can be as bad. We have had both Samao and Tonga both in our WC pool.

At least we have rare agreement as to the problem. 


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 17:12:14


carpetmuncher

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 24, 2013, 17:13:38

NZ conned there way to the RWC 2011 so why would this not surprize you ????


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 00:00:04
carpetmuncher you lay out myth laden crap then when suzy and the 95 RWC is bought up SA fans become all indignant. You guys trying to paint SA rugby as above reproach is laughable, yeah Bob bef$K the Bok players have never hit anyone from behind have they....the friggen hypocrisy by some posters stinks so much no toilet bowl can contain it.


clevermike

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 01:04:43
Hell - what a load of rubbish can we get ourseleves into. As I understand the situation as to WC requirements - there are 4 Groups in each WC. The top four ranked teams are assigned to top the list of countries in each group. The next process is to take teams ranked 5 to 8 and draw lots to determine which groups they go into. Once that has been done - the same process is repeated for teams ranked 9 to 12, etc

No individual country has any say as to the result of the process and to say that it is manipulated is nonsense. Fact is Samoa - if they remain rank 7 will be in the first draw of the teams to be allocated next WC and could end up with any of the four groups.

What is more interesting is next years Under 20 WC. Because of their fourth position this year - the three groups the teams are divided into will be headed by England (Group A), Wales (Group B) and South Africa (Group C) - and the same process would be followed as described above. New Zealand can hence end up in the same group as SA as the second-ranked team in that group. There is however a two out of three chance that they would be in another group - so lets wait and see what happens.

SA has a 25% chance to draw Samoa in the next WC and that will not be determined by anything else than the actual draw process. In view of our past record against them - I think it would be lucky for us to draw them as the second ranked tea in our group.

Where I do have a problem with new Zealand is that they are not doing enough to promote rugby as a world wide sport. South Africa does a lot to promote rugby as a sport in Africa and in South America. One would assume the New Zealanders should do the same in East Asia and the Pacific Islands - but they do zilch in that regard. Australia has problems in promoting rugby in Australia itself - and they are indeed trying much to achieve that - so their role in other countries cannot produce much. Come on - now New Zeland - you are not doing your duty in that regard. Why not for instance get the national teams of Japan, and the Pacific Islands to play in the ITM?


steinlager1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 02:44:25

Yeah we got Samoa on the hotline.

Hello Samoa you there ?

NZ here .

Can you go to South Africa and smash some yarpies for us?

Jolly good. We'll send you some taro and corned beef.


Sharkbok

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 03:09:18

steinlager it is another conspiracy- Samoa tried to pull of Andries Strauss testacles to keep him out of the 4nations. 


Bok -Bef$K

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 09:01:16

sharkbok or maybe trying to prevent Strauss from re-producing so that they don't get smashed in 23 years time. hahahahaha


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 09:45:55

The Samoan connection with nz is huge. I think what gets under their skin is they cant out gun the Boks physically etc.

Here is a list of Samoan players who have played for other sides. Shows they have talent but their thuggery is putting people off. Found this info on Wekipedia.

 

Samoan Players Representing Other International Teams
List of players from the past & present that are Samoan descent or part Samoan descent that were born in Samoa or in foreign countries that have represented and played for other international teams.
Australia (Wallabies)
England[edit]
Fiji (The Flying Fijians)[edit]
Japan (The Brave Blossoms)[edit]
New Zealand (All Blacks)[edit]

·         Bryan Williams
·         Ma'a Nonu
·         Casey Laulala
You can see who has been riding on the shoulders of Samoan talent-- yes Sir the wee abs - who else. But shed no tears for the rugby colonised Samoans as they are very happy to provide rugby players to nz and have no aspirations of their own.
So now one can see why they do what they can to injure Bok players at the WC and whenever we play them. This is way beyond conspiracy theory. We see it happening on the field. We can check their attitutde on Ploynesian rugby sites and we can see it here. Recall what was said when I asked if they were happy to be rugby colonies of Nz. The answer from Poly and the boys was that they were very proud to be abs.
Also bear in mind the list is only Samoans who playe dfor Nz. It does not include samoans who played Super 15 etc but no for NZ!!!! Then add in Tonga and Fiji and you will understand the influence of the Islanders on nz rugby.
Plonesians as I have always said are very talented rugby players but very dirty. Scrap the latter and they will have many fans
Beeno fair and objective as ever.


Bok -Bef$K

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 10:03:50

Thanks Beeno so to summarise the wee Ab's would be crap without all the Samoans. Hahahahaha


clevermike

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 10:07:24
Beno

The point is not descent - but whether the listed players were borne in New Zealand and Australia. The point is that in the modern world you find a lot of economic migrants and even borne in Samoa the parents could have moved to New Zealand when they players were young and they in fact grew up in New Zealand and got their schooling there.

There are hundreds of thousands of SA citizens who left here and ended up all over the world - there are also rugby-playing economic migrants already playing in foreign teams. The children of SA migrants will probably also grew up with rugby and many could end up in years to come and played for the countries where their parents settled and they grew up.

Be it is at may - it would not help to put a list of players on this site as you did - rather find the players imported by New Zealand as economic rugby migrants from Samoa that was lured to NZ as adult rugby players and put that list on this site.


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 11:32:42

Well Mike apparently all these guys were of Samaon decent and borne outside Nz.

Then also we have the guys who didnt become abs but played Super 15. Then we havent listed Tongans or Fijians.

So yes as you say some may have immigrated and been raised in nz. Some may have come latter. Its difficult to know these details.

What is certain however is the close emotional connection to nz and hence Samoan antagonism to the Boks that we continually see on the field of play.


Rooinek

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 12:18:58

"Well Mike apparently all these guys were of Samaon decent and borne outside Nz."

 

My God you're stupid, Baboon-ou!

 

Just how much do you actually know about rugby if you think that All Black legends like Bryan Williams, Michael Jones, Christian Cullen, Sonny Bill Williams and Tana Umaga were born in Samoa or anywhere outside New Zealand?

 

Seriously?

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha! How embarrassing! Stick to your copy and pastes, Baboon-ou!


Rooinek

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 12:37:15

A long and awkward silence followed . . . until finally . . .

 

 

"Duh-uhhh . . . Christian Cullen? Michael Jones? Uuhhh . . . who are these oaks???"

 

LMAO!


ludwig

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 12:49:11

Bean brain you would have to be the stupidest japie Ive come across, I can tell you that at least 90% of that list, which includes bill birtwistle who played 50 years ago, are all NZ born players. That list is of players who have some samoan ethnicity. Christian Cullen has a deceased samoan grandmother.  They were/are all NZ citizens.

What do you identify as Bean brain, a south african or the baboon father that spawned you?

Incidently the all black team that walked all over the bok team at soweto last year had ONE player who had samoan ethnicity, Ma'a Nonu (born in wellington by the way). The rest were of european or maori (sorry are we allowed to pick maori?) descent.

 


Rooinek

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 12:53:54

I can picture Baboon-ou right now . . .

 

 

"Uhhhh . . . what are these Maori that this oak are torking about? Are the ABs stealing from the Maori islands as well?"

 


Ihi

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 12:59:01

this thread is pretty stupid. paranoid much? south africans are no angels either. do you remember schalk gouging a brits eyes? bakkies gouging brendan cannon's eyes? bismarck strangling a SAMOAN in the world cup but yeah we got the red card!! i dont agree with some of the stuff that went on but we arent the dirtiest players in the world and we dont have that kind of connection to new zealand either. how many samoan born players have played for new zealand? i cant think of any off the top of my head but i do know a lot of foreigners have played for south africa. so whats the fucking point anyway?


Rooinek

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 13:16:27

"this thread is pretty stupid. paranoid much?"

 

Ihi, if you hang around this message board for any length of time you'll realize that Baboon is astonishingly stupid and incredibly paranoid.


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 13:28:06
Beeno is just winding everyone up. Have educated him on the Polynesian situation in NZ the info is out there on the internet even Beeno can't be idiotic enough not to check that all those"samoan" players were born outside of NZ could he. And then Bok Bef$k jumps on the Beeno band wagon so he comes across as much of an idiot. Here's the hypocrisy again bitch about AB Polynesian players and yet the Boks have a prop born outside SA playing..."Beast" ring any bells. Didn't he get special treatment in order to play for Boks.


Rooinek

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 25, 2013, 13:40:55
For the record, I don't think Baboon-ou is winding anyone up and I think he really is as stupid as this thread suggests.


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 10:25:50

This is just stupid. Can't believe this is still used or argued? 

 

@Beeno how many of those list of plyers were actually born in Samoa? Think you will find only 13 ever representing NZ was born in Samoa.

 

 Let me make it short for you. The issue wasn't about where they were born. Not at all. The issue really was guys being selected for Samoa then performs internationally then get picked by NZ and Samoa had to go find another player. Irrespective if he was born in Samoa Hong Kong NZ or on the moon. He played for a country and when he performed was suddenly drafted by another country like if Samoa was some development test team to see if they are any good at international level or not.

That is why the ruckus was about Bunce, Irramea, Vandiri etc etc because they chose to play for Samoa and Fiji first. Rockocko and others who played for the Kiwi's first no one really bothers about. Its just when Samoa build a good team or starting to build one their best players got selected for NZ. That was the issue. Which have been fixed with the one country ruling.

 

So why this argument still flares up is beneath me. No wonder Kiwi's think we are stupid cocks. Can't blame them


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 10:56:16

Polly … there’s a big difference between an individual losing his head and a planned assault by one team on another.

 

Let’s face it polly boy, these Polynesians are certainly filthy players and they target the opposition to do them harm.

 

They are probably celebrated as heroes on their return. Both by Samoans and New Zealanders.

 

Disgraceful … they should be removed from all rugby competitions.

 


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:24:49

No Cleancut. You are misinformed

 

That may have been folkloric in the good old days, but which nowadays reflects only crudely on the national sport of New Zealand. That is the very problem: rediscovering core values and yet keeping the image-conscious sponsors and parents and administrators and politicians sweet.  

 

So before you throw accusations get to know the Kiw's first they are not that bad bunch and well what about Bakkies? We still think his old school play are just rugby and make it into folklore ourselves. 


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:39:10
Cleancut thought we were talking about whether the players listed were of Samoan or NZ descent, you seemed to have seized upon the Polynesian thing to use as an excuse to generalize about polynesian players...to satisfy your own agenda. I will say this from personal experience, NO NZ'er that I know of any ethnicity would condone the actions of deliberately going out to injure an opposition player let alone celebrate it.


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:45:39

Spoon

 

Nonsense!!!

 

The Polynesians have been filthy since the beginning of time. They find it far more rewarding taking an opponent’s head off than actually winning a match. That’s probably one of the many reason they’ve never excelled as a nation in the sport.

 

They lack self discipline which is clearly evident by the masses of body fat they carry.

 

Sadly this carries over to their play on the field.

 

Save the lecture on getting to know a kiwi … ok?

 

Whatever you think of Bakkies is your business. Clearly I do not share your opinion of him. It’s irrelevant.


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:51:35

Well of course not polly.

 

To blatantly come out and say it ... well ... is just not done ... is it now??

 

What else could you have said?


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:53:47

And the Irish coming over having a fist fight to keep the score down to 30 - 0? Canadians punching their way through a WC pool match in 95? Le Roux biting Fitzpatricks ear? Greyling on McCaw? Van Zyl attacking the referee? Really say much about our own culture doesn't it?

 

 


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 11:59:53

Spoon - are you saying that the team decided before hand that they would get into a fist fight or that Le Roux was given the go ahead by his team mates, captain and coach to bite Fitzpatricks ear?

 

The action of Greyling on McCaw was planned prior to running onto the pitch and that Van Zyl's attack on the ref was what was put into place before hand by rugby authorities?

 

Wake up man.

 

Your talking horsehit!!!!

 

 

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 12:02:43

Rooitwit you say I must stick to my copy and paste - well rooitwit I did - I copied this from Wiki!! I actually disclosed this as well. Bwahahahahahahhahaha what a hatter.

I also said rooitwit in a reply to Mike that it was difficult to know when these guys came to nz etc. and I am certainly not going to spend hours on the issue. I said what was ceratian was their emotional attachment to nz (Anyone disputing that?) and also that they intentionally try to injure Boks. Their cheap shot approach is evident whenever we play them.  I stand by that.

Sorry oaks if the cap fits wear it.  ab wannabe rooitwit has no concern over ths connection and injury to Boks.

Poly you rwords are nobl ebut please expalin why after some 20 years the situation remains unchanged. Consistent cheap shots as we saw again at loftus where Jean escaped ith his life and was miraculously saved from ending up in a wheel chair.

The Islanders must be told to clean up their act or ship out.

The extent to which nz benefits from the Samoan, Tongan and Fiji player connection is more difficult to pin point unless hours are spent going back into history etc. I am referring to both test and Super Comp level. Those thinking Wiki is wrong please inform them. Where were these players born and if outside New Zealand when did they come to nz etc

Sorry oaks if the cap fits wear it.  Samoan players consistently take cheap shots on Bok players. nz benefits player wise from its Islander connection. The first assertion is bullet proof, the second needs more input to establish only the degree.

End of story!

 

 

 


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 12:07:21

The Irish and Canadians had not much intensions of playing rugby in those game. 

 

Are you saying Samoans go out to rip heads off? No. They been coached to tackle the ball and at times when players move you get it wrong. Not planned just the way they been brought up to tackle thats the chest area. 

 

Have you ever played rugby? If so have you ever been a forward on the bottom of a loose scrum? Players do all kinds of shit there. Just check aat our school laaities punching referees and assaulting each other. No way us can point fingers at a nation who goes out fired up and give a 100 percent for their small nation. Just like we do and players do make mistakes or do get fired up a bit too much. 

 

But look at Brain Lima. You throw a hospital pass to your mate he will cut him in half. Its rugby. 


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 12:29:00

Spoony you are trying to be argumentative. What we see from Samoa does not happen on this scale and with this consistently from any other side.

As Moz said does it take a death to enforce clean play from them. Rugby of course is a physical game but  dirty play takes that to a different level and when a side plays like Samoa does it needs addressing seriously and urgently.

No more nonsense please spoony!

 

 


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 12:31:12

Yes ... that's exactly what I'm saying.

 

A little slow on the uptake, huh?

 

Hitting someone with a stiffarm clothesline is not rugby. Fired up or not!!

 

Grabbing someone by the nuts is not rugby. Fired up or not.

 

It's deliberatly trying to hurt someone.

 

Any way you look it …

 

Any excuse you come up with to condone this kind of behaviour just doesn’t wash!!!

 


nukefreekiwi

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 12:54:55

 Sheesh, no wonder South Africa is widely regarded as an intellectual backwater where those with more than 2 brain cells to rub together quickly make their escape and head to greener pastures (NZ more often than not).  Rooi and Spoony, if you both left SA( if you haven't already) the national IQ level would halve overnight. Mind you, if bean brain emigrated it would instantly double.  


nukefreekiwi

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 13:05:51

Hehehe. Yeah, that's right, Saffas reputation as dirty players is unjust (insert sarcastic snigger).  Of course they would never intentionally set out to maim opposition players ( pfffffft)

 

Anyone remember this?

"I knew that we were going to lose, but I made up my mind to take a few people down with me. I committed some appalling fouls, hitting people in possession and smashing others off the ball.  

Of course, not only was it dangerous play, but also stupid. It only raised England's ire to such an extent that they thrashed us 53-3, the worst beating a Springbok side has ever suffered".

And you can imagine how I felt as the team's captain. You can choose whichever words you wish: humiliation, hurt, pain, anger, resentment, fury; all of them applied to my state of mind that afternoon as we trudged off Twickenham.  

 


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 13:10:35
I'm honoured Cleancut that you wait on my word. Of course if I said it, it must be.and "filthy since the beginning of time" you were there of course. The only thing I get from your post is you don't like Polynesian players, and use generalisations and derogatory statements to justify your stance, if EVERY samoan player is dirty then tell me one dirty act each player from 1 thru 15 did in the Bok tests and how the ref dealt with it. Spoken up enough for you.


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 13:19:59

huh??

 

Well common Polly ... speak up!!!!


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 13:41:04
Beeno of course NZ benefits from the Island connection its normal to use a natural resource. But I'm under the impression that you think that there are no Polynesians in NZ, and the NZ population is predominantly white, which it is, (however census projections see that the % will decrease in future with growth of Asian population and Polynesian pop.) and that the only Polynesians there are imported to play rugby...it that a fair assumption or not? Interestingly now that I mention it the NZRU has come out saying they are to target the growing Asian population for rugby...so I suppose we can expect to hear of "NZ exploiting Asia for rugby players" once they come through to the AB's?


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 13:52:16

Of course Polly … glad to see you’ve managed to catch your breath after that stutter.

 

Was it an emotional  episode you suffered there?  

 

Did I touch a nerve?

 

Your not trying to imply that I’m a racist, are you??

 

Me?? I’m a sweetie … I have the halo to prove it!!!  

 

Aaaaah … I see … as usual, when no suitable response is forth coming … let’s play the race card.

 

Oh common, Polly. Is that honestly the best you can do? I’m disappointed. Waiting in anticipation ... after the stutter … the splutter ... you gathering yourself … calming your pulse rate … and this is it??

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

 

Nut grabbing, stiff arm clotheslining … not enough for you, huh?

Pathetic!!!

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 14:05:25

nuked ya halfwit. if my IQ was zero and I left it would not move the national average - bwahahahahahaha ou nuked kiwi has no mathematical understanding at all!! ROTFL

In summary then, and hopefully in conclusion, the Samoans need to clean up their act.  If not the IRB should  expel them. I think all reasonable folk can agree with that. So no more whining about this unjust criticism and not taking responsibility etc. It is what it is.


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 14:58:59
Cleancut point out in my post where I mentioned that you were a racist, you skip over where I said mention a dirty act 1 thru 15 because you said "the Polynesians were filthy since the beginning of time", so you mention the race card and then you have an amateur attempt at being a backyard psychologists to deflect away from the fact that you have no credible or substansive proof other than a rant against Polynesian players who you obviously dislike intensely. (NOTE: no racial content mentioned). Enjoy being schooled do ya.


clevermike

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 15:18:38
Hell - what an argument about rubbish. No country has the sole right to dirty players. Neither South Africa - nor New Zealand can claim they did not have their share of dirty player - they had and history prove it. I can remember seeing a movie of rugby in the 1950's - when New Zealand picked a heavy weight boxer (I think his surname was Skinner) as a prop. In line-outs he was hitting out at all and sundry like he was in a boxing rink. South Africa had its fair share of dirty players and I will open a can of worms by naming Bakkies and le Roux as examples. Not to be put out - Thorne was not an angel either.

However, it is not so easy anymore - dirty play on camera is a real problem for teams and they get heavily penalized through carding and penalties for that. The problem with the Samoans is that they are guilty of easily seen dangerous play more often than other teams might. So the public is much more aware of the Samoan "danger" .


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 16:12:06

Schooled by ... ??? ..... You????

 

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffwaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

 

That's a hoot.

 

Why should I play your silly little game of "1 thru 15" - you know damn well that the Samoans are a filthy rugby nation. More so than anyone else on the planet. They prove it everytime they run onto the park to "play" a test match. Hence the Rep!!

 

Uh-Duh!!!

 

Pretending that you don't know what I'm speaking of is laughable. I guess it must be a little embarrassing huh!!! You've been so pro Polynesian and now they've been shown up AGAIN as nut grabbing, stiff arming filthy players. 

 

Looks like you have a chip on the shoulder, gov!!! Accussing me of not liking Polynesains seems to be a standard response from you. Especially when you can't think of a proper response.

 

Shame Polly. Try to be a little original will ya!!!

 

The race card is old and tiresome.

 

 


nukefreekiwi

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 16:15:53

 Dear gawd Bean Brain you prized troll. Let me dumb it down for you then. If you had an IQ of minus 50 and your national IQ was plus 50, the national IQ would be raised to plus 100 the moment you left SA'n shores.   I appreciate this is complicated arithmetic for your wee brain and I won't hold it against you seeing you were raised in a third world backwater but please try and keep up. Its charitable moments like these, where I am able to give the educationally deprived some simple schooling, that make my presence here all the more rewarding.  Now run along my little African Einstein, next week I'll try and  give you some lessons in personal hygiene and forum etiquette.  


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 26, 2013, 23:46:53
Cleancut that's not a halo your wearing its a toilet seat. Usually there's crap under a toilet seat. Lets see you use terms like "filthy" to describe them so I suppose that's a term of endearment, the fact that you run your keyboard but can't back up with facts reinforces your stupidity and ignorance. You say I played the race card, when challenged to point out where you conveniently launch into a tireless rant and rave about nothingness, you said Polynesians are dirty players and then couldn't back it up naming 1 thru 15 maybe 15 is too large a number for you, at least you were honest enough to say you couldn't which shoots your arguments down. Look I know your trying to make up for ground lost cause you quit the last time we had a go around but hey no shame in being schooled. By the way you spouted another lie when you said I have always been pro Polynesian. Pro about how they came to play for AB's, but if you check further up I condemned some of their preponderance for dangerous tackles. Another lesson you can savor.


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 27, 2013, 02:41:20

@Nuke

Yeah that was a sad day started going to shit after 5 minutes when Labushagne got a red card. Had to play with 14 men lost badly to a England side who took down NZ, and Australia and they had 15 men! 

 

CleverMike.

 

Yeah but a years earlier Bekker smashed Skinner and Skinner got penalised in that incident. Kiwi's lined up for some payback and we got it. But both countries make folklore out of it but as I said in the modern game that is not acceptable anymore. Let me repeat myself

 

That is the very problem: rediscovering core values and yet keeping the image-conscious sponsors and parents and administrators and politicians sweet.  

 

So Thugby is not good and Sponsors will not line up to sponsor you. 

 

The real problem here is that you say Samoans is playing dirty. Instead of singling out individuals you have basically stamped a whole culture as dirty players. Stereotype. 

 

Same as people run around calling us dirty thugs instead of singling out those players who have stepped over the line. To put into context what you have said and place it to something similiar in SA it would be the same to go out and say Afrikaners are dirty thugs. Would you like that? No. Suddenly you have not just branded rugby players as thugs but the whole culture and tried to damage its image. The same you basically do when Saying Samoans is dirty players or thugs whatever. I can assure you guys like Michael Jones, Bunce and others was far from that.

 

Have a look at the brawls between SA and NZ in modern era or last 10 years. You will see guys like Nonu and Umanga trying to stop it rather than to jump in and throw punches. 


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 27, 2013, 12:37:33

Damn … your like an old woman with a wet panty, harping on and on about the same old thing. Must be hell on wheels at a party.  

 

Tiresome.  Clearly a fool who likes to speak in circles.  

 

Let me “dumb it down” a little for you, boy!!

 

Here goes ... When a person is accused of not liking a particular race … what would you call that … ?

 

Hmmmmm???

 

I know you can do it … just focus a little … CONCENTRATE, MAN!!.

 

Let me help you …. It’s an accusation  … yes!!!! … of??? … let me give you a clue … it starts with a rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

 

Get it now??

 

Oh and just for the record … you calling me a racist doesn’t offend me at all. You are the one with the chip … you are the one making a big issue out of this …

 

Personally I couldn’t give a shit about you and your chip … how you deal with it … or anything else you may have an issue with.  Ok????

 

Not sure about this lost ground you keep referring to.

 

Actually … It’s rather funny … I just realized that you’re struggling against me … your at war … all in an attempt to gain this so called precious “ground” … You’ve taken this personally and that’s why it’s so important to you to win this “ground” …. While I’m merely having a little discussion with you about what’s been seen time and time again at Samoan test rugby matches.

 

The filthy style of Samoan rugby continues …

 

 I noticed in an early post made by Beano that you had a few things to say about … in particular his use of the word “fat” …

 

Is that also an issue polly??

 

Are you a fatty, polly??

 

I wonder if it was wise of me to have mentioned that. For all I know we'll be having a lengthy chat regarding the state of your chubby midsection ...

 

Shame ... you really have a lot of issues that need sorting, huh?

 

 


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 27, 2013, 13:17:34
My, my such personal questions, do you like fatty's, certainly sound like it. God Cleancut your so easy to bait, the more you type the more psychotic you become, listen its not very attractive when woman act like this so go change your tampon, your cycle will be over in a few weeks then you'll feel normal when you enroll back in "polyschool". Remember god doesn't love quitters.


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 27, 2013, 16:02:20

Too much heat here. The Samoans have plenty of talent but need to clean up their game.

Lets leave it at that.

 


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 27, 2013, 20:42:46

Who would've though Beeno the arbitrator, your right though shoud've known better than to get involved in a slanging match which became personal,  will stick to rugby. I have also agreed with your sentimemt regarding dangerous tackles in the past, hopefully in future this will be an improved area in the samoan game. 


Brycy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 01:53:50

Bean Brain we did tell you the Samoans were going to smash you like in 2011 so spare us the squealing little schoolgirl routine.

 Don't invite them to play in SA if yr shit scared of getting hurt. I doubt you'll ever beat them again outside Loftus anyway.

See some are calling for segregating players from Polynesia. Well let me draw alittle picture for those that want to export their apartheid policy to the Pacific.

 

 

As you can see banning players from the Polynesian triangle would effectively rule out the ABs as NZ is the biggest country in Polynesia . Great suggestion that LMAO

 Can see how worried you are about Samoa being in yr pool at the next WC. Fken hilarious stuff.

Can't wait for it as Samoa now have yr measure and you won't have any dodgy yarpy TMos to fabricate tries like that last one.

Bean Brain you guys need to harden up a bit mate as you sounding like pussies. I won't even go into how dirty you yarpies have been over the years compared to Samoa as the Samoans will come off looking like angels in comparison.

Brycy keeping it real educating the cognitively challenged again...


redsman

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 06:18:08
hahah classic STATs Beeno - says it all.....!!!


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 07:55:55

WHAT???????

 

No more comments about racism?????

 

Oopsie!!!! I guess you lost a little "ground" there hey Polly my boy!!!

 

Me simplifying the explanation must have finally penetrated that thick bone covering your brain.

 

Glad to have helped. No need to thank me, Polly my boy!!!

 

So what we’ve established is that you are a fat Samoan, with issues!!! Right??

 

My condolences!!! Sincerely my man!!!

 

I see we’re on to tampons and woman’s menstrual cycles now.  Sorry Polly my boy … but I reckon I’m gonna have to give this important discussion of yours a miss. I’m not as clued up on the subject as you seem to be … I guess you’ve made a little ground on me now … You must be so proud!!!

 

Congratulations!!!

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 08:39:11

Hi there brycy my goo dfirend. I am releived to see you back. I really thought the smashing the Boks gave the Samoans would have been the end of you. Thankfully not but all that the pain and humiliation  - all that mountain of egg.

But lets not dwell on that eh Brycy. As always I need to straighten out your crooked thinking. Firstly, the Boks or their fans are in no ways worried about the Samoans physicality or ability to beat them. This latest thrashing of the Samoans gives further strength to the belief tha the Samoans remain second tier dispite their talent (On ewonders why they dont do better but they do not seem to stand up well when sides come a them). What one is concerned about Brycy about is the cheap shots - you know grabbing  a guy in an indecent fashion, stiff arm or head high tackles , kicking an opponent and so on. You may not know this Brycy but such things are not allowed.

The Bok pack pummelled the fat boys and as Williams their skipper said they returned home humbled. Oh that they would return home and also think about those cheap shots that are so not to their credit.

So there you have it Brycy, as always you get a reliable assessment from me . I have to salute Poly who has acknowleded the Samaons need to stop their nonsense and concentrate on rugby.Clapping Hands

Now secondly, Brycy and please pay close attention here. I am not advocating all poynesian players get banned. I am advocating the banning of the Samoan team if they dont clean up their act. I think you are getting ball confused, unnecessarily so, because I said all bent NZ refs shoud also be banned. So no exporting of apartheid here Brycy!!! More egg lands on my friend. Its all very unfortunate and all because Brycy does not pay close attention. Disappointed 3

Anyhow great to see you back, sincerely ment,  and hope your predictions improve!! For that to happen you need to wise up of course and always take note of what Beeno says!ROTFL


Beeno1

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 08:51:14

Reds as I said thos eguys listed are only Smaoans who palyed test rugby fo rabs. Does not include thsoe who only played Super 15. It also does no tinclude any consideration of Tongans ans Fijians.

All this points to thefact polynesians are talented rugby players.

Another point I wionder about is the role played by nz talent scounts. You often get kiws saying these guys came to nz while young and were developed by NZ andwere not paoched as it were. However I would b every surprised to learn there were no nz talent scounts operating in Samoa, Fiji and Tonga (The Islanders).

However the competition is rising.  Oz is getting in on the act and there ar ea number of Polynesian players now playing in Oz.  I believe they will lift the Wallabys and their Super 15 sides particularly in the backline. Watch out for Oz.

One can't however in the end feel sorry for the Islanders as, if what the kiwis here say is true, they dont want their own show. I have always maintained a combination of the three Island teams would be a regular in the top five. They apparently dont want this and would rather play for nz or, now, even Oz. - difficult to understand but there you have it.

 


allblacknblue

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 09:52:27

Good thread bok bif, it's done well lol. The CC/Poly back n forth is funny as hell.


polyboy

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 13:29:32
Couldn't resist a parting shot before I get back to rugby. CC if me being a fat Samoan turns you on who am I to deny your fantasies young lady. (By the way I'm not), glad to see you finally admitted your a racist (who loves fat Samoans..bit of an oxymoron), Thanhs for congratulations, no shame in quitting or losing, women are afforded some leeway, oh big tampon sale tomorrow, but do stop smoking them once they're used.

Beeno, not all Polynesian players come to nz fresh off the boat to play rugby, many are born in NZ as well, But this topic much like my slanging match is a pointless circle with your view and our view. However as I've pointed out previously because of a growing Asian population the NZRL is targeting them for rugby, so in this respect do you look on this as poaching?


CleanCut

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 28, 2013, 14:02:55

 

Yuck!!!!

 

Disgusting!!!

 

You need help, polly!!!

 

A sad, sad, silly fat man!!!!

 

....................... with a sick, weird fetish!!!!!!

 

 

 

 


Spooony

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RE: "Special Connection" between Samoa and the wee Abs?
June 29, 2013, 02:07:17

Cleancut your a idiot that doesn't know the difference between a culture and a race.

 

Samoan culture is all about respect for elders, being polite, good hygiene and healthy way of living especially their diets. That is why their bodies look in such good condition.

 

This come from a England coach

 

I’ll be honest here: during my time on the England staff, some players had what amounted to a hang-up about South African physicality, to the extent that on one occasion, I saw a key player putting up his hand to be substituted.

When you go up against the Boks, you find yourself facing big, aggressive blokes who really don’t like you. Playing them is a test of manhood, as much as anything: they come out you with a strong kick-chase, a hard tackling game and a vicious clean-out at the ruck. They also come armed with players who understand how to win tight games. 


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