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blackwolf

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Red(political)Tape
May 24, 2013, 18:27:42
We have to wonder what exactly is going on at the table when the Springbok selectors sit down to decide who's who in South-African rugby. No one that we see as suitable eve gets selected and those that we as joe public would have never looked at seems to be center stage.The like of Jantjies and Ver Maak. I think rugby is almost certainly like any other job.Its not about how good you are anymore but if your a likable person. Also South-Africa is plagued by the money virus.I think its easy to say that those with the money and political sway ultimately decide who wears what shirt. A perfect team would be made up of ultimately ever player that is currently in form,but the dynamics go far beyond that. I am sure that Lambie will play a few games at 10,then Morne,then Jantjies and then we will rotate as is the same ofr the number 9. One thing that is clear is that it will take some time for new legends to come forth in the likes of Fourie,Matfield,Smith,Botha,Du Randt,J Fourie and J Smit.~They brought an exstra something that is missing at times in the Bok camp these days.


Beeno1

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RE: Red(political)Tape
May 24, 2013, 21:27:07

Welcome black wolf! Folk will never ever agree about selection but often there is a large degree of consensus around the really bad selections. 

Personlly I think Morne will start as he has been the best thus far. But there is still time for Lambie and Catrikillis to put their hands up. If lambie shines on attack he might just get the nod. he has been to quiet on attack so far.

Money rules and hence the problems the Cheetahs have keeping their players.Merit is not always the criteria unfortunately.

The new legends are ready to step in. meyer has huge talent coming through. Boks getting ready to rule world rugby.


mozart

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RE: Red(political)Tape
May 25, 2013, 03:57:45

Personally I think we have less talent than in 2004. Lots of very good players.....but few potentially great new players. My list of last year is down to a single player.....Etzebeth.

 

Btw Hasbeen, how can you welcome back a poster who has zero posts?


clevermike

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RE: Red(political)Tape
May 25, 2013, 06:05:10

The past aways looked good - but hankering to the past is no answer to the present situation.   There geerally is a problem and that is that people do not adjust to present cir[removed]stances - this is especially true insofar as Springbok team selections are concerned.

I am all for selection players that shows constant form in Super 15 and opposed to players being selected on reputation.   The norm - Once a Springbok - always a Springbok - normally leads to disaster.   There is also a tendency to argue against team renewal based on performances and also a tendency to allow players to perform poorly over a number of tests without any remedial measures.

The situation last year was chaotic in the extreme.   Meyer's first attempt was to get the golden oldies back - when that failed his next move was to include virtually every member of the Blue Bulls team in the Springbok squad - making the selection process looks like a revolving door.   When all failed he fell back onto players without form - but creited with one-incident players.

The result was a below-par test record last year - and it looked like a siilar scenario this year when Meyer announced his first training camp for the year.   More than half of the players named -

*   had an atrocious performance record this year in Super 15, or

*   due to injury never played a single match this year or had extremely limited exposure in match situations.

The second camp showed some improvement in player identification - but there are still some players with poor form -  in fact some players were disastrous this year in virtually all matches they played in.   There is also the tendency for players to look good in some rare instances in Super 15 and then go sour in the subsequent test series.That is also what I call - bad news.

It is too early to say what Meyer will come up wth in the forthcoming tests.   He called up all of 38 players for the second camp - and has to eliminate 12 of those to get doewn to a squad of 26 players from which the selections are utimately to be named.   It may even be down to 15 or more players to be elminated if he decides to use his foreign favoured players to the squad of 26.   What I do know - is that Meyer will be controversial and select players with virtually no form to represent SA in the tests this year and that - I believe - would be disastrous insofar as test outcomes are concerned.       


mozart

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RE: Red(political)Tape
May 25, 2013, 06:19:20

No doubt you were a Destroyli fan Oom. He also got mezmerized by S15 form and we had a plethora of new Boks....guys like Jorrie Muller. Disaster followed. It took Jake to restore the notion that a bok jersey has to be earned....and that the team isn't just a collection of form players, but a carefully selected entity with complimentary strengths. Woodward and Henry followed exactly the same recipe.


Beeno1

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RE: Red(political)Tape
May 25, 2013, 12:01:56

 Eh Dr Mozzzzzz I said welcome black wolf NOT welcome back . 

It is of concern that Habana , JP and bekker are gone and Frans is nowhere and ditto hougie . Injuries may also have hav erobbed us of vermuelen and a few other contenders.  However there is some rich talent coming through but my thought that 2014 will be the year still is the most realistic. 

Meyer is still in a building phase but I expect a performance.

Always remember had Morne kicked normally we would only have lost one match last year - FACT. Nobody can argue with that

Morne is back on song and Cat and Lambie are kicking very well. 

Just hope meyeerr doesnt pick players who obvioulsy cant make it and of course NO quota players. Add those t otogether and you really sell yourself short.


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