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mozart

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You have to like James O Connor
May 20, 2013, 22:52:34

This kid has confidence. There is the whole Quaalude hissyfit and he calmly steps up and says he is qualified and wants the job. And anybody who doubts he has  the guts to do it need only remember that pressure cooker kick he put over to eliminate the Boks in RWC11. Man I wish this guy was still available to the land of his birth.


Saffex

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 20, 2013, 22:56:46
Is he SA born, bloody hell I did not know that. He is an awesome player


Saffex

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 20, 2013, 23:01:28
Moz he was born in Oz, his parents are Kiwi's, his grandparents SAn's. He was eligible to play for all three countries


oimatey

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 20, 2013, 23:40:26

Yea, seems like a classy player.

 


mozart

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 21, 2013, 01:38:22

 Apologies, you're right Dave. I thought he had spent time in Durbs.


clevermike

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 21, 2013, 02:15:05

A girl

Are you sure about O'Connor's mother.  I read somewhere that his mother was a South African?    I think she probably married a Kiwi - but as far as I know she was from SA.   Something similar to  Roger Federer.  However, Roger spend a lot of time in Knysna - where he is likely to live after retiring from tennis.  

However, whilst Roger has relatives in SA - I am not sure whether there are any relatives of O'Connor left here. 


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 21, 2013, 07:34:35

And to think IF he looked kiwi (aka samoan, tongan, fijian, maori) the kiwis would be moaning and whingin some more and then victimising him.........

he went to TSS (Gold Coast private school) lived in the area since a kid.

 


oimatey

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 21, 2013, 19:19:56

 Very good article. Makes me reconsider my choice at flyhalf for the Wallabies

 

Defensive stats back Robbie Deans on James O'Connor

WALLABIES coach Robbie Deans' intention to play James O'Connor at five-eighth against the British and Irish Lions ahead of Quade Cooper has been endorsed by defensive statistics from this year's Super Rugby competition.

Deans said after the initial 25-man squad was announced last Sunday that he wanted to see Cooper assert himself physically in both attack and defence.

Queensland Reds director of coaching, Ewen McKenzie, has leapt to Cooper's defence, arguing he is no more of a defensive concern than O'Connor.

You could certainly understand a Super Rugby coach supporting one of his players, but the statistics support Deans.

Any head-to-head comparison between O'Connor and Cooper has to be viewed in the context of O'Connor having played 265 minutes less than Cooper this season, which is the equivalent of 3 1/3 games.

According to numbers supplied by Verusco Sports Statistics, O'Connor has attempted 73 tackles, making 65 and missing eight, for a tackle accuracy of 89.04 per cent, which is the highest of all the regular Australian five-eighths.

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Cooper has attempted two fewer tackles, making 59 and missing 12, for a tackle accuracy of 83.10 per cent, which is the lowest of the regular Australian No 10s.

On top of this, O'Connor's error rate (17) is also the lowest of the pivots, while Cooper's (29) is the highest.

There has been some discussion about O'Connor being bumped off by powerful Blues centre Rene Ranger in the New Zealand team's 36-32 win over the Melbourne Rebels in Auckland two weeks ago. However, O'Connor had already sustained a sternoclavicular joint injury before he collided with Ranger and showed a lot of courage to attempt the tackle when he should have been off the field.

While Deans is confident of O'Connor's ability to defend the No 10 channel, he is also looking to him to ignite the attack.

This is an area in which the Reds - "quarterbacked" by Cooper - are struggling.

The Reds dominated possession (58 per cent) and territory (59 per cent) against the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein last Sunday morning but still lost 27-13, outscored two tries to one. Yes, the Reds were twice denied tries after television replays, but they should have produced more in attack given the efficiency of their forwards at the breakdown.

 

On average the Reds recycled the ball at the breakdown two seconds faster than the Cheetahs (4.3 seconds), which was a significant difference given that a few decimal points is usually all it takes to advantage the attacking side.

There have also been suggestions Deans has cold-shouldered Cooper as punishment for claiming the Australian rugby environment was "toxic" last year.

The reality is Deans started grooming O'Connor as the Wallabies' five-eighth immediately after Cooper's poor performance at the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand. O'Connor played five-eighth in the win over Wales in Cardiff at the end of 2011 and he would have been the No 10 if not for injury last year.

While Deans introduced O'Connor to Test rugby in the back three, he always maintained he would end up in the front-line at five-eighth or inside centre.

It is well do[removed]ented that Deans has to beat the Lions and/or the All Blacks this year to retain his job as coach.

Regardless of what Deans thinks of Cooper personally, it is unlikely he would sabotage his own career by omitting a player he thought could help him win.

 


clevermike

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 21, 2013, 21:44:49
oii-matey

Interesting article - the above one. I believe that Deans is probably taking into performance data in selection as well. In that respect he is way ahead of our dead head coach - who does apparently lose sight of trivialities like sustained performance in team selection


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 22, 2013, 06:04:00

What you stat people always miss is CONTEXT - stats can be manipulated anyway you like.

QCs team is winning and beaten the cheifs @ home along with many strong teams this year. You dont do that in modern rugby with a crap 5/8.

Additionally - JOC hasnt played all season @ 10 and his team is more crap so probably needs him to defend more.

Most telling though is that they dont have stat there that shows how many tries / plays that QC has created through his amazing skills.

This knob of a reporter obviously doesnt like QLD or the Reds which is something fairly common among NSW / ACT based journos......

 


Rooinek

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 22, 2013, 08:20:07

"Additionally - JOC hasnt played all season @ 10"

 

 

How much rugby do you actually watch, Redsman? I only ask because your statement above is nearly as ignorant as the one where we had in the original post where some idiot was wishing that JOC could play for his country of birth! Wehe!

 

It's good for a laugh though!


wfunston

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 22, 2013, 09:27:49

"JOC hasnt played all season @ 10 and his team is more crap so probably needs him to defend more" ~ redsman

 

You're right. He hasn't had all season to play himself in at 10. You're also right about his team (forward pack) not being as good as the Reds hence a LOT more pressure through his channel. And finally you're right about him having to defend more as he is not withdrawn from any defensive line do to lack of confidence in his abilities. 

 


wfunston

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 22, 2013, 09:33:21

 Sorry reds but those all seem like legitimate reasons to pick JOC over Quade.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 23, 2013, 11:41:09

very smart of deans to realise the defensive liability of cooper, something that NZ has always known. i will never forget how the wallabies and especially cooper were completely destroyed by a methodical All Blacks team in that RWC semifinal. cooper was relentlessly peppered with kicks and defensively hounded into submission, great stuff, & its that same predictable yellow bellied defence which deans wants no part of.

its flyhalves like cooper which is why the reds havent beaten the force in two attempts this year, thats just pathetic by any stretch of the imagination.


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 06:30:58

JOC is a capable player no doubt - I would have no issues with him firing @ 10 this year after all its the wallabies here we're talking about - but QC has the x-factor that wins games.

@Sucker the kiwi team have been the reds [removed]es all year and if they know QC is so weak why havent they beaten them...?

DEans is a tossa the general public of Australia don like him he has to go home....


sasuke uchiha

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 07:21:54

uh-oh, someone call the police, redsneck is raging cos no one likes cooper and that he was solely to blame for the reds not being able to beat the useless western force twice???, o_O
OMG how pathetic was cooper, deano has ensured the wallabies are in good hands be making 'cant tackle to save his life' cooper sweat it out like he has. million dollar question is will cooper make the final 6??? bet cooper hasnt sweat so much since stealing that poor dudes laptop, o_o

and please folks, nobody tell redsneck that cooper was born in NZ cos his special education has him convinced otherwise.

and i know u hate stats redsneck, seing as how u can only count as high as ur 10 fingers and 11 toes combined will let u, but the wallabies stats  vs the All Blacks for the last decades is as follows, 30 tests All Blacks 23, wallabies 6, draw 1, ur yellow bellied wallabies are our [removed]es, so never forget that and dont forget to thank cooper for his contribution to all those All Black victories, his pathetic defence which forces coaches to hide him out back was valuable for the All Blacks.

OMG how embarssing is it that u have to hide a player out inthe back so he dosnet have to tackle. its probably why cooper is only rated by his fat pig of a coach mackenzie. after all, none of the other OZ spXV coaches thought he should play in the wallabies, o_O

cooper consoled by horne after anothe of his [removed] ups gifted the All Blacks a try and win.



cooper trying so hard but fails to stop his man who offloads to nonu for a try.


 cooper walking of shellshocked after being targated by the All Blacks for being so [removed].

thanks cooper, for being such an easy target, lets hope deans selects u for the bledisloe tests, that way it can be guranteed to stay in NZ for another year, :o)


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 08:11:25

Mate - no wonder kiwis like you have a bad name in this country. Listen to yourself. You're deadset wanker - must be genetic.

You live here and come up with this kind of comments like a typical small-minded, cheat - guess thats in your DNA too.

Anyway your life - obviously a sad one that you need to belittle the country that feeds you whilst spending so much time on an SA rugby forum.... laughable really. 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 08:56:28

oh poor redsneck cant read so has to make [removed] up again, i would have thought that special [removed] school of urs would have at least told u what a country was, that way u could tell when i do belittle australia, would expect nothing more from an inbred yokel whose convinced cooper was born in australia and that the chch earthquakes was a joke. yet more reason why u shouldnt drink XXXX.

and please do explain how it is im a cheat??? LMAO, poor stupid redsneck thinks anyone who counts higher then 10 without taking of their shoes is a cheat, LMFAO, :oD
 

the reds reactions after hearing redsneck is their biggest supporter.


Rooinek

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 09:15:14

Redsman can count to 20 if he takes his shoes and socks off . . . and if he takes his pants off as well then he can count to 20 and a half.


CleanCut

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 09:46:22

Yup ... and that's with a hardon!!

 

Should be up to 20 and a smidge!!

 

Poor dear!!


Beeno1

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 09:56:41

Redsman Cooper could still be the flyhalf as Genia wants him and there is a lot of support for him in Oz and clearly he is a stand out player. Harkening back to a match played years ago is feeble as Quade has matured since then.

Redsman please ignore rootwits vulgar obsession with his wee [removed] which is clearly half size - he always tends to judge others by himself!!


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 11:39:38

@sucka at least I have an identity u though are a typical wanker kiwi who leaves his country rants on about how good it is and then wants jump on the bandwagon with any Australian updates. Sad pathetic little tosser kiwi without an identity what sad life yours is.....

now back to rugby QC won't get in because of deans pathetic kiwi wends shares that with all the kiwi wankers on here... They just don't see that they really are so embarrassingly uptight and self righteous all the time thinking they're smarter because they can come to a welcoming country and earn  more money than their pathetic little pissant struggle backward backwater uncivilised country can pay them....

its pity it can't be about rugby but as the sole Aussie I don't think I can be bothered putting up with their small minded lack of identity issues 


allblacknblue

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 12:08:40

O'cs more rounded game is better suited to test matches, it's like comparing carter to cruden. Red your just an idiot, go back to school ffs. Kiwi's are taking your jobs and woman because we are better at said jobs and are better breeders. There isn't much you can do about it at this point so build a bridge, chances are your sister will marry a kiwi so get over it maaate! lolz!


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 12:34:06

Kiwis time comin don't worry bout that. And I cannot wait just like deans everyone's gonna see how pathetically small minded u all are and then DEPORTATION


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 12:37:20

Yep take jobs cause working class anyway.... So simple minded u kiwis no class at all


redsman

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 12:42:05

Mate says a lot about ur kiwi loud mouthed butch fatass cows... Aka ur mothers....


CleanCut

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 12:49:13

Redsman ... don't get so emotional about Cooper exclusion?

 

He's a liability to Oz rugby. Surely you can see that?

 

You should be thanking Deans for getting rid of this chump.

 

On top of that, he's a cheap shot coward.

 

Surely you wouldn't want that kind of person representing Oz??

 

Or are you guys all the same. Snivelling, whimpering, cheap shot,  shackle dragging cowards ... ??

 

Hmmmmmmmm??


Beeno1

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 13:52:21

Reds dont worry too much about Cooper. Deans has set him a challenge on defence. If he does the job he will be in. Then Genia will talk Deans into playing Quade.  Oz have a good side and probably over 50% chance of winning this.

As for Deans his been in the job a long time and possibly there will be a change regardless?  Lose and he is gone.


allblacknblue

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 24, 2013, 14:08:12

Hook, line and sinker!!! You beauty! got me a RED fish hehe!!!

Hmm such an emotional reply from you red... Must be some truth in what i was saying... A kiwi didn't take your gf by any chance? Oh sorry my mistake you've never had a gf eh red! It's all banter red and thank your lucky stars your not on an english forum those guys can be quite cutting.

I've had my fun. I'll leave you alone now.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: You have to like James O Connor
May 25, 2013, 09:38:57

@redsneck,

sniff sniff, poor redsneck, :o(.

u really should save ur tears for someone who cares, maybe u should drink more XXXX, that way ur not so intimidated by my ability to count to 11 without having to take of mys shoes.

now hush little inbreeder and go to sleep and snuggle up to ur blow up quade doll, just make sure u hide ur laptop before dozing off, -_o


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