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ntanga

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Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 14:19:18
Its fantasy to think that someone like Jake White should take over as Bok coach; and probably ring in some cracking Bok selection.

or look else where, Peter De Villiers or even persevere with the current coach?


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 14:30:31

 No thanks, give me Nick Mallett any day


clevermike

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 14:46:50

Did Mallett not in a question of 17 months managed to destroy the top team he inherited from Du Plessis and through sheer  disruptive selections cost the Springboks demise in the 1999 WC?   Mallett - the great talker and the bad implementer.   White ten times ahead of him.   White is a builder and Mallett a destroyer of teams.


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 16:23:58

There was no RWC competition in 2000......... But yes, Mallett stuffed up big time after THAT test at Twickenham in Dec '98. From then on, it was downwards. After that the best he could manage in the TN was to beat Aus 10-9 and losing all the other TN games. After and including his first defeat at Twickers he lost 11 and won 11 tests before being fired and replaced by Harry Viljoen. His only claim to fame was the winning streak, but that was badly tarnished by what happened when his luck ran out. Ironically the Twickenham test also marked the moment when he knifed White in the back, in favour of Alan Solomons.


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 17:38:07

Mallett had an overall record of 71%, which is better than Jake at 67%. He also took us to 17 or 18 straight wins.

 

He turned Italy into a competitive side and one only needs to listen to the man, he knows his rugby.


Rooinek

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 21:25:34

I think one of Nick Mallett's farts has more rugby knowledge than Joke White.

 

White used to be Mallett's video [removed]yst (apparently against Mallett's wishes, because he quite rightly thought Joke White was a bit of an idiot) and Joke would be lucky to have any kind of job under Nick Mallett, who is by far our best coach of the modern era.

 

Mallett only made two mistakes . . . firstly he stuck with Jannie de Beer in the 1999 RWC semifinal when Henry Honiball was fit and ready to play, and, secondly, he bought into all that ridiculous Cape Town hype around the hopelessy overrated Bob Skinstad and dumped the great Gary Teichmann. Two pretty big blunders admittedly but otherwise Mallett was a brilliant coach and I'd take him back in a heartbeat!

 

 


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 21:53:13

 Rooi am with you on Mallett over Jake - no contest. Disagree on your take on Skinstad, the man was an awesome player. Can't say I rated Teichman that highly. I can see why Mallett went for Skinstad......I certainly would have.

 

Honnibal over de Beer is a no brainer


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 23:45:17

The only thing that has Mallett's winning % that high was the first run of 17 wins with Carel du Plessis' horses. The moment he lost his first test, everything went pear shaped and he dropped to 11 losses from 22 games from then onwards. As I said earlier, his wins dried up when he got rid of Jake White. I am not saying that it was because he got rid of Jake, but then again............. it does not mean that it had nothing to do with his "change of fortune".


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 01, 2013, 23:58:13

One would swear Carel did a good job and that Mallett had inherited something special. What was Jake's record in one of his years - a big fat 25%.

 

Mallett is without doubt a better coach than Jake......his overall record proves that


clevermike

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 00:10:50

Ceradyne

Which 17 wins are you talking about?  The first two wins in that series of 17 wins was against the Lions and the Wallabies whilst Du Plessis was coach - then followed 15 wins under Mallett.   You can check that out if you wish.   Both the first two wins were record breaking  wins for the Springboks and the records remain.    Mallett took that selfsame teaam and they won everything afterwards until the Twickenham test a at the end of 1998.   

Mallett had 26 wins and 11 losses - that is is record.

I want to quote from the Wikepedia about what Mallettt did - and that may indicate why his house of cards collapsed:-

"The relationship between Mallet and Gary Teichmann, arguably South Africa's most successful captain ever, began to sour and Teichman was controversially excluded from the 1999 Rugby World Cup squad. Mallet looked for a new captain, first turning to Corné Krige then Rassie Erasmus, Joost van der Westhuizen and André Vos for a solution. In the end the internal instability in the squad seemed to harm their performance as the squad suffered four consecutive defeats and were finally knocked out of the championship in the semi-final by eventual winners Australia. Despite his team's poor shape in 1999 they still managed to break more records, beating Italy 101–0 and England in the quarter-final 44–21, with Jannie de Beer kicking a world-record five drop goals in that game."

Mallett also tried to get Skinstad in as captain - but Skinstad was injured and could not take over.   Floundering around - like indicated above -  was a serious indication of gross incompetence in player management.    His fight with Teichmann came about because of the foul lanuage he used during practice sessions.   Teichmann - an utter gentleman - took him to task about it and the relationship between the two of them broke down completely.   Being sneaky - he informed the press about his decision to drop Teichmann as captain and squad member - he was not man enough to plone Teichmann about it.

The reason for his outburst against ticket prices was obvious.  He knew he was about to be fired because his win-loss record was down to 50 : 50 and used that as an excuse to try and get sympathy from the public - end of story.


Sharkbok

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 00:13:40

 After Malett Retired, or even just before he retired the boks went into the worst phase ever. 

It was a combination of coaches but also the player Personnel. 

The likes of Louis Koen and Braam Van Straaten at 10 was the worst curse ever.

I remember one game against Wales I think, when Koen was playing 10 and Braam at 12. This really was the dark ages. 

Jake White was a good coach, but he also played with a good generation of Rugby players who were just starting to get out of their young years who went onto be Springbok greats. 

Mallett was also fortunate for much of his era with some top quality boks. 

The personnel around 2001- 2002 were either young or just poor. Remember Jorrie Kruger?


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 10:27:15

Mike, I can ask you the same. What are you talking about, or have you not read what I wrote. I have no issue with his 17 wins in a row. I am talking about he let things fall apart the moment he lost and when he had to start "doing things" to get back on track. He just couldn't do that and made the one mistake after the other, as you yourself have pointed out. That was when the wheels started coming off. In addition, he also allienated himself from the supporters, at one stage, by saying that they are dof and know nothing about rugby. You have to remember what the state of the Bok management was in when Carel du Plessis took over. Let me state at this point that I am no fan of Carel du Plessis either but he was thrown into the deep end, TBH. He had virtually no coaching experience and he came in on the back of the controversy with Andre Markgraaff being fired. In addition, the Boks did not have a great record under Markgraaff either. Markgraaff also inherrited a team of RWC champions like PDV and stiffed it up. He won his first test against Fiji and then had the following results: Aus in Sydney. Lost by 5 NZ in Christchurch. Lost by 4 Oz in Bloem. Won by 6 NZ in CT. Lost by 11 NZ in Durb. Lost by 4 NZ in Pta. Lost by 7 NZ in Jhb. Won by 10. He then went on to beat Arg (X2), France (X2) and Wales and then he was fired early the next year to be replaced by CdP. So, CdP's record was no worse than that of Markgraaff. The only difference was that CdP did not get to win o few games on an EOYT like Markgraaff. He was fired the moment that he got it right. Bear in mind that Markgraaff was a "seasoned " coach as was Mallett. Then Nick Mallett stepped in and claimed the fame. As far as Mallett is concerned, bear in mind that out of those 17 wins, only four were against NZ and OZ. The rest were agianst the likes of Italy, France (X2), England (X2), Scotland (X2), Ireland (X3) and Wales. In fact, I have checked on two stats sites and I can only find 16 consecutive wins, in which Mallett was the coach. I seem to think that it is true that he led them to 17 consecutive wins, but he was the coach in only 16 of the 17. As I have said, he started off with a bang and the winning streak and then his ego took over. He fired Jake White, he fired Teichman, he took an injured Skinstadt to the RWC, called the Bok supporters ignorant, etc, etc, etc. What has he really achieved with Italy? In his last two seasons he only won one single 4N test.

 

@Sharkbok, it is true that Jake White played with a good generation of players, but he was the one who identified those players and set their foundations for their future international careers. Jake White was the one who changed James Dalton from a flanker to a hooker, and John Smit from a tighthead to a hooker as well. The players were there but the underlying issues within Bok rugby was also there. Remember that Jake White was not really SARU's main choice. He only got the job by default after, first Andre Markgraaff (whose sins of the past were forgiven at that stage) pulled out and then Heyneke Meyer pulled out as well, leaving only White and Chester Williams. White never really had the support from SARU that he deserved.

 

The fact that our rugby was in a shambles between 2000 and 2003 lies squarly on the shoulders of SARU/SARFU. I would go as far as saying that our rugby was a balls-up since 1996 up to the end of 2003, despite the 17 win streak in Mallett's era. Because things were only really going well during that winning streak, thereafter it fell apart again, even in the biggest part of Mallett's reign. I am talking about the time when he lost 11 out of 22 games.


Denny

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 13:21:09

Well said, Vlag....for once we agree. ...White by the country mile was our best coach, Mallett our best talker.


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 13:50:12

You only had to look at our exit from RWC99 to see how little Mallet innovated. After de Beer had literally won the QF against England, the answer was not to drop him for a recovering Honibal as some idiot on the string suggested. The obvious tactic was to exploit the Aussies paranoia about Jannie's drop kick. The moment de Beer lined up two or three Aussies would charge him, ideal for a set move to another back. You saw none of that....we just kept repeating what had worked for us against the Poms.

 

Then there was Mallett's morale destroying comment that our backs couldn't match the Fijian, Samoan and Maori backs available to Oz and NZ.

 

The fact is he ended on a low. Why would you bring back somebody who was losing when they left?

 

White by contrast ended on a high. And has simply continued that with his brilliant coaching of the Brumbies. It's pathetic really, but every fan who is anti White was also massively pro Watson. There's your causal link.


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:00:19

 Disagree, Mallett had a better overall record than Jake and that is the true measure. I have never rated Jake as a coach, his run up to the WC was very poor with a 25% win record for the year. He should have been sacked. Eddie Jones and a good Bok squad saved him.

 

While I was a fan of Watson as a player, his off field antics did not merit him being selected for the Boks. However, the way Jake handled Watson, was poor.

 

Any coach would select a fit again Honnibal over Koen, as would you Skinstad over Teichman.

 

Mallet was better than Jake


clevermike

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:12:58

A girl

You must in a sense be admired - you always support coaches and players that buggered up completely.   Mallett Inherited a top good squad of players from Du Plessis and managed to destroy most of it in 16 months time.   Thereafter he was pathetically poor - because he had no idea about player management.     The issues raised in Wikipedia as quoted above was typical.   His poor relationship with his players was also clear.   

But then for some reason you did not like White - probably because he did not select player you were punting.   That is nothing wrong with that - your support of under-performing players is legendary.  If you get one in six right - it is a miracle.    


Rooinek

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:19:52

Dave, please note, you're debating this issue with someone who thinks that Louis Koen played in the 1999 RWC QF. Just have a laugh and move on.


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:30:27

Dave, ever wonder why Mallett ended up coaching Italy? What top notch coach would take on a certain loser? Answer, a coach with no better alternatives. His peers clearly never rated him. White, Henry and Deans were all given opportunities....Mallett got the graveyard.


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:33:43

The "hopelessy" overrated Bob Skinstad....hahahaha. Your spell check on the blink RooiAAS?


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:40:50

Moz, the obvious reason Mallett took on Italy was because there were no other international vacancies at the time.

 

Taking on Italy and turning them into a competitive side was a challenge he fulfilled.


Beeno1

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:43:03

Windpomp I was always very annoyed when Carel was dropped as Bok coach. His last match against Oz was brillaint. He lost the test series against the lions 2-1 but his goal kickers imploded. We out scored the lions 9 tries to 3 or two I believe. You could see the team improving all the time. Didnt deserve the chop.

As for Mallet he has gained a lot of experience since coaching the Boks - In France and of course Italy. Surely he is a bette rcoach for all that additional experience. I cant beleieve he cant add  value. His thinking on the game looks to be sound. Is he not good enough to coach a SA Super 15 side?

Jake has proved his metal and only the most obstinate and most biased one eyed of obervers can deny that. At which point we arrive at ou rooitwit!  ROTFL

Moz I wouldnt say coaching Italy was inferior to coaching the Brumbies. Mallet may well have laid a foundation there. Italy had some good matches under Mallet. 


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 14:47:39

Of course you would disagree Saff. In fact I would have been surprised if you were to agree, TBH. It does not suit you to agree, because that would mean that you would have had to agree that Jake White is not the toffee that you are trying to make us believe he is. You cannot discard the way that things fell flat under his reign. His overall success rate is boosted by his winning streak, but when he was exepected to be innovative and creative after the Twickenham test, there was nothing. He failed misarably after that test and he ran out of ideas, and he could not fall back on his video-man, because he fired him.

 

You choose to keep on hammering on Jake White's record leading up to the RWC and you choose to ignore his RWC tests. With Mallett you keep on including his best results in his full record.

 

What is more. Mallett's record against Aus and NZ is also interseting, compared to that of Jake White.  Their performances are as follows:

White against NZ 27% (won 3/9 times) and against Aus 54.5%(won 6/11 times).

Mallett against NZ 57% (won 4/7 times) and against Aus 37% (won 3/8 times) .

 

How did Jake White handle Watson poor? He did not rate him. Finish. The team did not want him and they made no secret of it. What should he have done? Select him in any case? Honniball over Koen, yes. Teichman over a broken Skinstadt? No ways.

 


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:07:16

I dont judge a coach on how many WC's he wins, I judge him by his overall record. I would rather us have an 85% win record and no WC's, than a 65% record and a WC. A WC is a few games every 4 years.

 

Damn right I disgaree, Jake's record speaks for itself, 67% is poor and there is no getting away from that. In the year leading up to the WC, Jake was pathetic and he to ran out of ideas. Eddie Jones saved him.

 

Skinstadt over Teichman anyday, I am with him there. Hell under Jake we had to endure the likes of Adi Jacobs and the return of Johan Ackerman was it not......there was even Snyman on the wing and who could forget Albert v/d Bergh.

 

As a professional coach, Jake should have worked with Luke and tried to win him around. The fact that he did not rate him as a player speaks volumes - the man was clueless


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:07:44

Beeno, Mallett did [removed]ol at Italy. He was their worst coach since 2000 and only marginally as well.

Italy's coaches since 2000:

Brad Johnstone (Feb 200 - Jun 2002). Played 26. Won 4. Win ratio 15.4%

John Kirwan (Jun 2002-Jun2005). Played 32. Won 10. Win ratio 31.3%

Pierre Berbizier (Jun 2005 - Sep 2007) .Played 31. Won 13. Win ratio 41.9%

Nick Mallett ( Jan 2008 - Oct 2011). Played 42. Won 9. Win ratio 21.4%

 

Italy's current coach is also doing better:

Jacques Brunnel: Played 16. Won 6. Win ratio 37.5%

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:10:24

Dave, do you agree that a coach should be forced to select a player who he does not rate? Yes or no?


Rooinek

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:19:47

There seems to be some startling revisionism on this thread and anyone reading this would think that Nick Mallett was a huge fan of Louis Koen. In actual fact, Mallett only ever selected Koen for one test in 2000 when Braam van Straaten was injured and Louis Koen wasn't even in the Springbok squad at RWC 1999, never mind the starting flyhalf in the QF or SF.

 

I know the board clown started this Louis Koen nonsense (and then quickly edited his hilarious blunder without any acknowledgement that he'd stuffed up again) but now everyone seems to be talking about Louis Koen as if he was a regular in Nick Mallet's teams. He wasn't.

 

As for Skinstad over Teichmann, well, I won't argue that Skinstad was a far more skilful player, he was definitely faster and probably stronger than Teichmann, but it comes down to personal preference . . . do you pick the showpony who doesn't really give a toss about his team mates or the team cause and who is more concerned with personal glory and posing for the cameras; or do you pick the passionate and honest grafter who would bust his gut for any team he represents and who performs his primary tasks rather than swanning around among the backs trying not to get his shorts dirty? I know which one I'd go for!


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:20:02

No, he should not have to select a player he does not rate. The issue with Jake is that like so many others, he never looked at Watson as a player, he looked beyond that. No coach in the right mind would ignore the credentials of a player named player of the hear and say that they did not rate him.

 

Watson at stages of his career, was the best open side flanker in SA by some distance. The fact that he was a [removed] is beside the point.


Ceradyne

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:32:46

Do you also reckon then  that White should have ignored the rest of the team and their attitude towards Watson? Fact is that he was a bad apple in the basket and that was no secret. How do you know that he dod not look at him as a player. Maybe it was exactly because he looked at him as a total package that he did not rate him. Apart from that, if he reckoned that Watson did not fit into his thinking about the way forward, then so be it.

 

Thing is, Saff, that you (and a few others on this board for that matter) has the attitude that if you figure that a player is a certainty for a spot in the Bok team, then that is that and if anybody disagrees then that person is a stupid idiot. And the coach who disagrees with you is an even bigger [removed] who knows [removed]ol about the game of rugby.


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:42:13

RooiAAS I know you always use the term "showpony" (sic) when talking about Skinstad. But there really is no such word. It's "show pony". I hope that helps. I mean I'm sure you have used this  on your blog, leaving the better educated readers rolling in the aisles. I attach the full Oxford, just in case you are "strugging" (sic) with this.

 

Definition of show pony

noun

British informal
  • a stylish or flamboyant person, especially a performer, who enjoys being in the limelight.

 


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 15:53:46

I'll defend Mallett on the de Beer decision. He was brought in after 4 straight losses in the TN with Gaffie mostly at 10. De Beer then led the Boks to five straight wins. Including the win against England where he drop kicked them into smithereens.

 

Jannie did not have a bad QF. He kicked 6 penalties and a drop. I was there that day and the almost blizzard conditions that prevailed when he made his kick to take us into extra time, make that one of the greatest kicks ever.

 

Honiball meantime hadn't played a game for the Boks since their loss to the Poms a year before. What coach would have dropped Jannie after his performance against the Poms and winning streak, for Honiball. Who would have been our kicker?  Answer.....no coach would have done that. None!


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 16:07:42

Well Vlag until these coaches prove me wrong with the selection of their players of choice and start winning 85% of their tests like the AB's do, I'll concede that I was wrong and that these coaches have it right in terms of their selections.

 

Sadly many of the selections these coaches make are glaring errors and it pisses me off that they are so short sighted in some of their choices. It begs the question as to how on earth they got to that level of coaching in the first place, when they cant even get the basics right like recognising who the best players are and selecting them accordingly.

 

How as a national coach do you select players like Guthro Steenkamp and CJ v/d Linde for your Bok side - its pathetic 


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 16:11:03

But we did beat England and Gurthro did pop the Old King Cole bubble. CJ would also have been fine, but his old problem of injuries did him in. Selecting two experienced Boks with NH playing time made sense vs starting rookies, who arguably still aren't ready..


Beeno1

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 16:50:40

Not so fast windpomp didnt Mallet win the French club championship. Why ignore that!

His record for Italy is difficult to guage unless one can see the opponents and compare with the other coaches. Certainly he makes an excellent rugby [removed]yst on TV. 

Mallet has moved on since his Bok coaching dys but this is not recognised. 


Saffex

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 17:08:33

Disagree Moz, Guthro and CJ were awful. Guthro was fat, had been playing off the bench all season as he is doing this year. he used to always be a solid prop, not one that popped quality tightheads like Cole though......I dont recall that. I do recall him looking out of shape and struggling. Not to forget the inclusion of Heinke v/d Merwe as well

 

They were shocking selections by Meyer and it could have got worse as he was after Johan Muller and Marco Wentzel as lock options on that tour as well.

 

Meyer seems to not know what he has at his disposal - there is far too much reliance on past players - he does not want to move on. He has failed to impress with all these old boys, one would think he has learnt from this error now, but that first training squad says otherwise.

 

I had high hopes for the man, we are due an inspirational coach, he sold us short in year 1. I hope by some miracle we see an improvement this year, but I have my doubts


clevermike

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 18:22:32

Mozart

Still harping on the failure of Van der Linde and the half-average performances of Steenkamp.   The latter was poor against the Scotds and average against the English.   In Scotland he lasted 15 minutes and then started retreating in scrums - at least in Engaland he llasted longer.    Van der Linde was really a disgrace caving in and giving penalty after pnalty - is that your idea of a good prop.   Come now its pat tense - but Meyer made some other poor selections throughout the year and yopped it off with the two menntioned herein.

A girl

Meyer will never ever select players showing early talent.   He will only select them once their natural talent has been coached out of them.   The must play his game plan - whatever that may be.   One component is evident - th backline must be s dead as a dodo.


mozart

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 02, 2013, 20:54:48

There you are Oom Maaik, whining and lying, your favourite activities. Here's what the Rugby 365 panel said about Steenkamp vs England:

 

1 Gurthrö Steenkamp
A standout on defence. He led the front row charge in this regard with several high impact hits and was solid in the set-piece.
7/10

So why did your coal coloured glasses see it differently? Because when your thick brain gets set it never changes. Frans, Steenkamp and de Jongh have never let their country down....except in your imagination.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Maybe Jake White should come back!
May 03, 2013, 13:49:50

for all those harpies that like to utter winning %'s ext lets take mallets coaching career in proper context. carel du plessis blooded alot of new talent and build a core of players that mallet in effect took over from...in those days coach were hired and fired as the seasons change...had carel had a decent run of if like lets say 4 odd years then we would have taken the 1999 RWC...mallet is the king overseller. since that short burst he has done nothing since. lets be frank.

 

carel du plessis is a rugby guro of note and if there is a bloke that in my view needs to get a rerun at the bok job than it is him. in terms of jake take took over from rudolf the rednose scrummer and harry "if i am confused the opposiing team should also be confused" viljoen....and jake build a infrastructure that filtered through to our local teams....people tend to forget that our local teams were a lot more competitve under mallet than under mallet. developement of players cant just happend at international level but at union level as well.

 

i would not mind jake in back but there needs to be a clear directive the type of rugby that we want. up tempo expansive attack minded rugby is what we need. the brand of the 2007 RWC is the TRUE BOK STYLE....not this [removed] we saw last year. with oversized pack trying to bash the opposing team senseless...that tactics worked int he 70 when there was about 10 tests spread over a year...now that pattern only leaves our injury lists as long as the nile and us behind in terms of player selection and progession in terms of playing style.


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