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ntanga

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We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 09:26:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29yZBtJnd0g&feature=player_detailpage

I've just been watching this video and thought, man this guy is a machine. Internationally recognised and highly rated; except by the Bok coaching staff.

Now that's shocking


ntanga

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 09:44:03
problems with my system guys, can't seem to get the right Video, or even edit anything!

the video is called Brussow VS Waratahs


Beeno1

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 09:52:31

 It is pleasing to know Louw is Meyers man. The next best 6 is Deon Fourie. Thereafter we have the possibility of Burger returing and then we could just play a Botha at 7.

Before ou snaspter has another fit i would point out to him that his hot pick Kolisi is no fetcher. Arno Botha is better than Kolisi so think before you post snapster. 

 Brussouw is a pipe dream right now and there is something strong in the pipe Ntanga. If you must have a small fetcher number 6 look no further than Deon Fourie a far better athlete than Brussouw.


ntanga

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 10:17:15
Beeno, I agree with that Louw was incredible last year, I'm not sure if Meyer will give him a call this year though, it looks like he's sticking with home based players this time around. Burger is a great player and there is no doubt about it; however I don't think he'll be ready to assume his duties on an international level this year coming from such a long spell.

Arno is an up coming young star with great potential, he needs to prove that he deserve in the Bok squad.

No comment on Deon Fourie yet.

I disagree with you on Kolisi though, that's just pure talent mate, the guy takes no prisoners, his work rate is absolutely sublime, still young and has the potential to become one of our best number 6.

The Boks will enjoy more turn overs at the breakdown with Brussow in the mix, that guy is a tackling machine IMO


Beeno1

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 11:10:14

 When I compare Brussouw to Deon it is difficult to find one area where brussouw is better. Deon edges him on the ground. He appears better over the ball and is considerably quicker - so fast in fact he could play in the backline with no problem. I really do think we missed a trick here. He is smart and drives the ball up better than Brussouw as well. Where exactly is brussouw better. Deon is also a very good linking player and is a good captain.

Louw will be playing if Meyer can get him - he was brilliant last year and changed our fortunes. I dont think Burger will be ready until the year end tour possibly. Meyer will want him back.

Kolisi is a kid and needs a season or so to be ready. He does nothing on the gound as yet but that is not fatal to his prospects as the fetcher role is up for debate and he could improve on the ground. He is not a big lad right now just over 100 kg - like Deon. Deon however is more compact and punchy he is also faster and smarter. 

It is in fact a huge pity that Allistair has not had the nous to see the gem at 6 he has in Deon who right now is in the prime of his rugby life. 

I am also very impressed with Arno Botha who against a very physical warts pack deliverd big time and was going full stick at the ned of the game. Lubbers is very good in a less physical way as a moblile loosie. Big talent.

We have an astute coach and great talent. Morne being back on song will make a huge difference. Think of the tests lost or drawn last year that would have been won through reasonable goal kicking.

Dont be fooled by the fact we dont play nz netball rugby. Our attack will improve but we will I belierve not under meyer throw the baby out with the bath water and will pick uncompromising power packs that hold the whip hand and deliver great go forward ball. Some world class players are emmerging to suplelment the experienced Boks

Lastly some are questioning Goosen as being brittle. Goosen played a number of games - too many as an under 19 with out being injured for quite a long run. This year he is still under 20!! Let him work hard on conditioning and he should be fine. Man the boy is a Free Stater!

 


Saffex

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 11:15:39

Ntanga, you have to excuse Beenkop, rugby is not a strength of his. Anyone not rating Matfield raises serious questions about their rugby knowledge - case closed as they say.

 

To say that Fourie is better than Brussouw and Kolisi is not only ingnorant, its actually insulting to rugby followers - but we have come to expect this ignorant crap from Beenkop.

 

Meyer is a complete idiot for leaving Brussouw out, I'm surprised he has got it right with Kolisi. Our Bok 6 has to be Brussouw or Kolisi, we dont need a retreaded 2 at 6 or a player who should be 7 or 8 like Louw, playing 6


redsman

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 11:55:14

 Brussow is A+ quality I can't believe u Saffas don't rate him... I guess it's the preoccupation with having to be 110kg or u don't get a spot in boks... Anyway how's that going for the boks...? I think last time u guys won anything was when u had brussow in the team.... Anyway have to strongly disagree with my mate Beeno here brussow and mayfield were world class pLayers the former still capable of mixing it with any othe fetcher in the game...


clevermike

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 12:27:57

A girl

Kolisi is no doubt a aveage to good player - but more than he delivers is required from an openside flank.   He has not the ability to effect turnovers in possession (in 6 games thus far this year he actually made 2 turnovers) - and that is a crucial element in the play of an open-sider.   He is also no factor in line-outs.  

The question is how strong is his ball-carryig capacity and defence - that being his two strong points?    If you [removed]yse his ball-carrying capacity and tackle stats it is statistically as follows:-

    *    6  Games played   -   Carried he ball 42 times - Distance gained - 100 meters - average carry 2,9 meters

    *    Tackles made  69    -     Tackles missed   -   15

The above reflects a hardworking player and it is certainly to his credit.   However, the missed tackles situation is rather disquieting.    Based on performance throughout the series he is not the best around and is certainly not Springbok material at this stage of his career.   Has a lot of development to do to qualify without question marks for Springbok selection.   If he can improve on turnovers and improve his tackle ratio - h couldbecome a candidate.

To put the above in perspective - Labuschagne as a number 7 has the highest tackles number in the whole of Super 15 - he is 30% higher in making tackles and 30% lower in missed tackles.  He has made 5 times the number of turnovers affected by Kolisis and took many line out  throw ins.  If a number 7 can do that why can't a number 6 do better - a number 6 being in a better position to be effective than a 7?  


hakwa

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 13:48:34

 unfortunately Boks selectors favour size and height in that position


ntanga

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 14:10:33
That's the problem right there Hakwa, quality and talent gets overlooked because of that, its frustrating. I bet Brussow wouldn't have had that issue if he wasn't South African, even when coming back from injury mate.


Saffex

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 14:24:49

 Bull[removed], Kolisi has been our best 6 to date this S15, closely followed by Brussouw. His strength is ball in hand and defence, he also plays a big part in slowing down the breakdown - the role of a 6. 


clevermike

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 14:37:59

A girl

I ccept your comments with a smile - since you only see 50% of games and ignore the rest - especially if it may reflect negatively on your favoured players.


Sharkbok

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 15:32:35

 Has Kolisi ever made a turnover?

When exactly does he slow down opposition ball?

Kolisi is a small number 7 playing in the number 6 position. 

Deon Fourie is a far better allround player, and also has the specialist capabilty of making turnovers and properly slowing the ball down.

Brussow at his best was excellant but his body seems to be past its best at this stage.

Deon Fourie is a better carrier and Fetcher than both of these other candidates, and his form last year showed this. 


Saffex

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 17:42:55

 Mike given you know stuff all about rugby I take your usual ignorant [removed] with a pinch of salt, you stupid [removed].

 

Bokshark, stop speaking crap.....Fourie better than Kolisi and Brussouw at 6, do you know anything about rugby......if that was the case Fourie would be playing 6 for the Stormers right now.

 

What he does to slow down the breakdown - are you serious? I tell you what get DomMike to explain that one to you


Saffex

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 17:42:55

 Mike given you know stuff all about rugby I take your usual ignorant [removed] with a pinch of salt, you stupid [removed].

 

Bokshark, stop speaking crap.....Fourie better than Kolisi and Brussouw at 6, do you know anything about rugby......if that was the case Fourie would be playing 6 for the Stormers right now.

 

What he does to slow down the breakdown - are you serious? I tell you what get DomMike to explain that one to you


clevermike

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 18:15:09

A girl

I never wonder about you - you are the one that calls everyone stupid the minute they disagree with you and your loony assessment of players.   I call it loony - because you apparently look at 50% of games and forget about anything else that may not tie in with  your opinion.

That makes you see certain things in players and lose objectivity completely.   When I mentioned the information and data on Kolisi you again went on the rampage because it contradicted your own assessment of him being a strong ball carrier and defender.   He is neither particularly strong in ball-carrying and in tackles - so the pure facts relating to the actual situation leads to a personal attack.

Then Sharkbok asked you an honest question and you went bananas - is it that impossible to substantiate your comments on slowinng down balls - in fact that is a contravention of the rules of the game and leads to penalties.  Capice?    

Try and defend your statements by not becoming abusive - that is the center of any reasonable debate.   By becoming abusive you show that you cannot prove your point logiically and that you have to revert to such a negative and fruitless approach.


Saffex

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 18:22:18

 I called you a stupid [removed] which you are for insulting me telling me I only watch 50% of the games - last thing I need is an ignorant twat telling me what I do or dont see in a rugby match.

 

You are so bloody stupid and quote these pathetic stats all the time, clearly confirming the fact that you know stuff all about rugby and have to rely on stats that provide no context to make a point.

 

Why the hell has Kolisi made the S15 side a few times this year already if he is that average you stupid dunce?

 

Do us all a favour and go talk another sport somewhere else for your rugby ignorance irritates me

 


Beeno1

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RE: We'll surely miss Brussow
May 01, 2013, 19:39:27

 Thank you Sharkbok and Mike. Sharkbok your take on Fourie is I think spot on. However I fear he will never make it as firstly his dom coach cant see he is a brilliant 6 and Meyer hasnt twigged. Mike what you say about Kolisi are the facts ou snapster with his head in the sand denies.

Since Kolisi is not a fetcher why play him. You may as well play Arno or lappies  -superior players. If you want a fetcher its Louw and Fourie. Fourie outstrips brussouw in every department. 

Snapster gets a bee in his big bonnet and cant see the wood from the trees. Bwahahahaha Meyer will play Louw. In all likelihood if Louw gets injured he still wont play Kolisi and will pick Arno or someone  else and we wll have another Mujati situation.

I am not writing off Kolisi. He has talent but 2013 is NOT the year he should be playing for the Boks.

Brussouw if he is to get in as a fetcher better start upping his games and effecting the streals not getting knocked off the ball. Note though how the stronger Louw is able to stand over the ball and efFect the steal.

Snapster boet monie k#k praat asseblief. Matfield was the pappest lock ever to play for the Boks. Name me any locks who were more pap than him. Prepare me a list - you will have great difficulty

ALWAYS REMEMBER THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF THAT ALL TIME GREAT LOCK WHO CARRIED MATFIELD FOR YEARS -Victor doesnt always play in the backline said Bakkies. Bwahahahhaahhahahahahahaha - my sympathies to all those wee victoria conned! A 106 kg lock the best ever - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HILARIOUS STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I look forward to the Boks getting in two real locks like Du Toit and Etzebeth and Meyer building a traditional Bok pack to set ab weak knees trembling. So away with stringbean "locks" Away with all show ponies and lets get in the warriors and hardmen to do the job.

Does Meyer understand this. Well with his selection of Louw, Vermulen and Alberts one would say yes. However he did pick Juandre Kruger, a better lock than wee matfield but still not what a real top lock is about.  Hopefully the days of one enforcer and one stringbean lock are over. Du Toit will I believe trash that stupid, stupid theory.


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