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Beeno1

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Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 09:47:41

Found this on Keo

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SA Foreign XV:

1. Guthro Steenkamp (31)/Heinke vd Merwe (27)/Wian du Preez (30)
2. Schalk Brits (31)/John Smit (35)/Richardt Strauss (27)
3. Brian Mujati (28)/BJ Botha (33)/WP Nel (26)/Eugène van Staden (32)
4. Bakkies Botha (33)/Danie Rossouw (34)/Quinn Roux (22)
5. Johann Muller (33)/Gehard Mostert (28)/Andries Bekker (29)/Jandre Kruger (27)
6. CJ Stander (23)/Pedrie Wannenburg (32)
7. Francois Louw (27)/Ashley Johnson (26)
8. Joe van Niekerk (32)/Ernst Joubert (32)/Jacques Cronje (30)
9. Fourie du Preez (31)/Ruan Pienaar (29)/Niel de Kock (34)/Michael Classens (30)/Dewaldt Duvenage (24)
10. Peter Grant (28)
11. Brian Habana (29)/Danie Poolman (24)
12. Doppies la Grange (31)/Wynand Olivier (29)
13. Jaque Fourie (30)
14. JP Pieterson (26)/Tonderai Chavhanga (29)
15. Brent Russell (33)/Zane Kirchner (28)

Ex WP I would add in Nick Koster, Blauw (went to Scotland I think), where did Pieter Louw go?. 

 

NZ Foreign XV:

1. John Afoa (29)
2.
3. Carl Hayman (33)
4.
5. Paul Tito (34)
6. Jerome Kaino (30)
7.
8. Xavier Rush (35)
9.
10. Nick Evans (32)
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu (31)/ Rico Gear (35)
12. Luke McAlister (29)
13.
14. Joe Rokocoko (29)/Doug Howlett (34)
15. Leon MacDonald (35)

Can anyone help fill in the gaps. Will be interesting to see, but what it looks like to me is SA lose far more players than NZ, and more concerning the SA players are leaving at a much younger age.

Factors?
- Weak Rand
- Crime
- Affirmative Action

 


Ceradyne

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RE: Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 15:02:33

I suspect that that NZ list is not complete.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 15:10:21

pieter louw stop playing rugby....i saw him the other day in the gym in paarl.

 

that list is loooooooooong.....all great names quite sure we could at least have so much depth for the boks if those players were in SA.


Ceradyne

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RE: Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 15:38:50

It is true that there are great names in there, and one would have loved to have seen them still playing in Sa, but at the expense of what? Who would they have been playing for? How many of them would have been warming the benches or playing for "lower" teams, because we are obsessed with every second youngster who shows talent. We want them to be playing Super Rugby the moment that they show promise.

 

I can never agree with that. Many of those promising youngsters end up injured and many of them get discarded again the moment the next promising youngster apears on the horizon.

 

I have seen many of those in that list play in the last few seasons and I can tell you that very few of them would not still make an impact at Super Rugby.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 15:53:40

u need to remember that the NZRU dosent pick players based overseas, so if u want to be an All Black, u gotta be based in NZ, this is why the likes of rangers with three test caps, and fruean a fringe All Blacks and a whole plathorea of others stay as long as they do in NZ.
but heres a few names for that list,,,
1. John Afoa (29), john schwalger (29),
2.
3. Carl Hayman (33), neemia tialata (30)
4. anthony borric (29),
5. Paul Tito (34)
6. Jerome Kaino (30), adam thomson (31)
7. daniel braid (31),
8. Xavier Rush (35)
9. jimmy cowan (31), alby mathewson (27),
10. Nick Evans (32), stephen donald (29)
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu (31)/ Rico Gear (35)
12. Luke McAlister (29), benson stanley (28), sonny bill williams (27),
13. isaia toeava (27), richard kahui (27),
14. Joe Rokocoko (29)/Doug Howlett (34), rudi wulf (29)
15. Leon MacDonald (35), mils muliaina (31)

these are a few former All Blacks that i could come up with of the top of my head, if i was to go as far back as when rico gear first left though it would have been an even bigger All Black list, as gear left not long after not making the 2007 RWC squad which IMO was a huge mistake.
also of note is that i didnt select any non All Black players like sean maitland or thomas waldron, the list would have been even bigger and theres also question marks over rene ranger.
i think the trend in NZ tends to be, when they have done their All Black tour of duty, or if they relaise they will never be an in[removed]bent, then they leave NZ shores to look for richer pastures, otherwise the All black dream keeps them around.

SA definately have way more younger players leaving then NZ, not sure of the reason why, but id think its mental and crazy that saffa orn and bred players like timo sweil and cj stander would rather play for other nations, england in timos case and ireland in cjs case. maybe growing up and watching the All blacks dominate the Boks had a negative effect on the young lads??? o_O
in which case beeno1 aka storminged, i apologise for the All blacks being the most dominant force in the world of rugby, :o)
 


carpetmuncher

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RE: Who is loosing more players SA or NZ
April 25, 2013, 15:58:56

that list is missing quite a few names....i am thinking of players like sowerby in the years gone by and co....it hurst to see players like poolman and stander at the young age of 24 based overseas and a player like josh strauss as well.

 

as i said SARU needs to really consider a move up north....just think of the pool of talent meyer and co would have been able to select if our local unions were in a competition structure much like the super rugby comp and the heineken cup. there would be less travel issues the jet lag would better for us as we are more alligned with europe....much much bigger sponsers would jump on board. the exchange rate would not really be a factor as we are competing on a level footing.

 

super rugby as it stand now does not benefit SA teams at all and the quicker we accept it the quicker we can build SA rugby up. talent was never a issue but we are being caught out by economics


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