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sasuke uchiha

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April 25, 2013, 05:31:18

Rugby Rebels with an 'Afrikaners only' cause

The Orania Rebels, a rugby team from the unofficial Afrikaner state in the Northern Cape, is not a whites only team but an Afrikaners only team.

 

"It is an insult to call this a white team – it's an Afrikaner team," Quintin Diederichs, the executive head of the Orania Rebels told the Mail & Guardian.

 

The Rapport reported this weekend that the "non-transformed xv" was admitted to and will play in the Griquas' club rugby league.

 

They will make their debut after no other clubs in the region objected to their inclusion and will go up against clubs from around the province.

 

"There are only Afrikaners in our team in the same way that there are only Irish people in the Ireland rugby team."

 

Orania is located in the Karoo along the Orange River and was founded in 1990 when about 40 Afrikaner families bought the former construction camp that was used for builders of the Vanderkloof Dam.

 

The purchase was led by Carel Boshoff, the son-in-law of former apartheid-era prime minister Hendrik Verwoerd.

 

It is unique in that the population is almost entirely Afrikaner. The town was founded with the aim of creating a stronghold for Afrikaans and the Afrikaner.

 

It courted controversy in the 1990s as many saw the formation of the Afrikaner enclave as a last ditch attempt to preserve apartheid.

 

But this was discounted by Boshoff and other Orania residents, who claim anyone who identifies with Afrikaner ethnicity is welcome in the town.

 

Afrikaner values and principles
Diederichs also said black people would not be excluded from the side if they if they conformed to Afrikaner values and principles.

 

"If, for example, a black guy rocks up and conforms to the Afrikaner culture and heritage his race would not come into question and he would be allowed in the team," he added.

 

"It would be very good for people to start accepting people for who they are – it's what we believe in Orania – driving your own culture while accepting others."

 

Griquas rugby union – under which the team is governed – said the rebels should be given a fair chance.

 

"Let's see what happens. They are prepared to play against everyone and any team can come to Orania and play them," Griquas president Hennie van der Merwe told Rapport.

 

"I haven't received any complaints about this. In any case, how many other white teams are there?"

 

The South African Rugby Union conceded that many club rugby teams nationwide continue to be racially compromised due to the segregated communities in which they occur.

 

But, the national rugby union said it does not support any practice that promotes club segregation.

 

"It would be contrary to our constitution which specifically talks about non racialism," Saru president Regan Hoskins told the M&G.

 

"The provincial unions – who are responsible for administering club rugby in their areas – would have cause to intervene at any such club if a complaint was laid alleging discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, creed or gender."


sasuke uchiha

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 05:32:51





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Beeno1

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 09:07:18

saSUE if you have something to say please have the courage to say it.

In my view no problem at all. 


Ceradyne

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 10:12:13

Sasuke, I have posted an article recently about the state of things in NZ, and I did it purely because there is forever a NZ'er who posts something to try and provoke reaction by posting shit about steroids, the political situation in SA, corrupt football officials, etc. While I make no secret that I enjoy your rugby related posts and threads, this article, once again, was posted purely with the intention to provoke an argument.

 

Be that as it may. So what if these guys have a club for Afrikaners? It is an Afrikaans community and whether you or me or whoever agree with their views or not, they are there as a community and they are bothering nobody and they are also harming nobody. There club is a closed club for the community and that is it. Now let me give you another example of a rugby club in SA. I do not know if they still exist but they certainly did the last time that I was involved in club rugby in SA in 2007/8. There is a power station near a town called Kriel in Mpumalanga. The surrounding power stations all had rugby clubs and any employee was free to join the clubs. The blacks at Matla power station refused to play with the whites and they formed a club called Matal Tigers. The club was for blacks only, right from the top. They refused to accept any white player. Nobody ever shed a tear about that. What would your views be on that? What are they different from the rugby club in Orania? Let me tell you how they differ. Orania is a white Afrikaner settlement. There are no other people from other language/culture groups. At Matla they are excluding whites who form part of the local community.

 

That is one of the issues in SA. Blacks are allowed to exclude whites bit not vise versa. We have Black Management Forums and Black Editors Forums and Black this and Black that, but don't you dare start any White this that and the other forum or organisation.


Beeno1

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April 25, 2013, 12:06:11

windpomp ou saSUE is only a beginner when it somes to stirring. He is doing his best but is not a professional shit stirrer - like someon I know claims to be. ROTFL

 


Sharkbok

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 12:25:33

 Apartheid is about having seperate areas to develop along seperate lines. If the wealth and resources were historically distributed more evenly - it would not really have been much of an issue. 

If many places around the world this process happens naturally. How many cities have a Chinatown, Jewish areas, Irish etc etc. It is not just econmic factors that creates communities, but also shared social beliefs and identities.

It is common knowledge that in countries around the world where their is no one single dominant mainstream culture that their is more conflict- checkout the middle east.

Personally I would not mind segregating part of South Africa where there is a non black majority.

Say 100 Square miles of the coastline from Durban to Capetown where their is a non black majority. 

Then being able to elect policticians and community leaders who serve the public and not the other way around. African political structures have a long way to progress before they can thrive like other continents.

I am not saying having only one culture or race, but having a mainstream culture in the various areas in South Africa where individuals from other communities can have the same freedoms to the locals.

If some areas prosper more than others, then it can be down to the economic and polictical structures they choose to implement within that cultural area that allows the economy to grow.

Much like how America has developed historically with different states


poi-e

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:01:20

Whoops Sas, forum rules, if you're not a Saffa you can't post any articles that may be paint SA in a negative light, doubly so if the article involves rugby, otherwise posters like Ceradickface will interpret it as trolling and gets a whole heap of sand in his fanny...

 

 

 

I don't have an issue with this so much - you can't really if you endorse the NZ Maori team.


Beeno1

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:10:08

Well well well!  Poooie actually talking some sense (not about criting SA though as you know very well you kiwis delight in that).

Hahhahahhahaha poor windpomp getting it. 

 


carpetmuncher

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:24:39

under our constition minoritys are allowed freedom of expression.....as a afrikaner myself i have no issues with other cultures expressing there own....

 

its the differences that makes us all unique. if veryone spoke the same looked the same was the same then this world would be a very boring place to live in....anyone is welcome but he must be afrikaans....i have not issues with it what so ever.


poi-e

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:29:01

 Quick question though CM - what does it mean to be 'Afrikaans'?  Can you be 'Afrikaans' without being of a particular heritage? 


carpetmuncher

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:35:02

read the article and it explains itself...if you speak the "taal" your afrikaans if you dont your not.....and please dont try to race bate the conversation...i can see where your going with this


mozart

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:42:37

Waaaahahahaha....you have to love these chaps. They just want to be alone, and pretty soon one of them will invent the wheel!


poi-e

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:48:24

Shit sorry if you're offended by the question, again - just an honest question - from the outside looking in most Kiwi's associate 'Afrikaans' as someone being of Dutch extract - if that's not the case and it's a cultural thing then it becomes even easier to justify this team as members aren't excluded on the colour of their skin or their heritage, and I don't see why this article or more to the point the team would be regarded as being so inflammatory...that's the point I was trying to get to without you getting sand in your box also...mission failed.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 14:55:07

LMAO, :oD

wowsers, what strong reactions to a simple article i posted with my only comment till now being a simple smoticom, :oP
creadyne is on the right track with his comment, i wasnt trying to start an argument, but throwing something out there i happened to stumnble acorss. like creadyne responding to the kiwi who was egging on the saafa brus with all those steroid arguments, i noticed a ton of threads about NZ rugby players being thugs and what have u so i posted this article and wiat for the inevitable reponses, :o)

come on beeno1 aka storminged, i wasnt trying to stir, ctrl v & ctrl c + and emoticon is not trying, and if this is a response when im not trying, LOrd have mercy when i do. but no need to fear my bru, theres enough rugby and fantasy rugby topics to keep me occupied 99% of the time, :oP


carpetmuncher

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 25, 2013, 15:01:07

i understand but the subject always gets high jacked to promote personal agendas....i am not offended at all but merly stating a fact. its the same concept in NZ that only those with moari decent can be chosen to play....there is nothing wrong with it as its part of the national history...one must not run away from it one should embrace cultures i believe


blobbok

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 26, 2013, 07:41:13

C'mon you sensitive oaks, all suzuki did was give us a Rapport story about a strange wee community . Thanks, appreciated .


Beeno1

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RE: rugby rebels with an "Afrikaners Only" cause,,,
April 26, 2013, 09:15:17

Bobok a very generous assessment of the villain saSU's amateurish attempt to stir. I have my beady eye on ou saSUE and I can assure you he will get away with nothing.

Send greeting to ou dorkie dumbo - tell him please to stop balling his eyes out together with baas barlee - its very unseemly. My condolences also to the forgettable taipansy whose team has been largely forgotten. Hahhahahahahaha


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