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Ek

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a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 15:01:07

I doubt Beeno would think so but this is the build of a number 5 lock, not a number 4. Wake up WP sign the kid.

 www.sarugbymag.co.za

FUTURE STAR: JD SCHICKERLING

At 2.03m and 107kg, Paarl Gym lock JD Schickerling is one of the tallest and strongest South African schoolboy rugby players.

In his debut 1st XV season in 2012, Schickerling was a star performer for Paarl Gym, who won 15 and drew one of their 18 fixtures. He made his provincial debut for Western Province at the U18 Craven Week in Port Elizabeth, and did enough to earn SA Schools selection. The second rower started in all three U18 international wins over England, Wales and France.

‘I was very happy with what I achieved last year,’ says Schickerling. ‘I had never played provincial age-group rugby before, so I learned so much during my time with Western Province and SA Schools. Now I know what it takes to get into those teams and how to excel at higher levels.’

Schickerling was born in Calvinia in the Northern Cape and moved to Villiersdorp with his family at a young age. He attended De Villiers Graaff Primary School before enrolling at Paarl Gym.

Paarl Gym 1st XV coach Christoff Lötter says Shickerling will be a key member of his squad this season.

‘He makes such a big difference on the field. He’s big, strong and a very good leader. He’s the decision-maker at the lineouts and carries the ball really well. In terms of conditioning and size, he’s ready to play at higher levels. There isn’t much he’ll need to work on when he continues his rugby career after school. I believe he’ll only get better with experience.’

SA Schools coach Chris October says the 18-year-old’s athletic ability makes him a special talent.

‘JD showed huge promise last season,’ says October. ‘I don’t think he’s reached his true potential yet, but I’m confident he’ll do much better with the lessons he’s learned after playing junior provincial and international rugby.

‘His knowledge of lineout play impressed me and he does the basics really well. What makes him different to your average lock is that he’s a strong ball-carrier, who can break defences regularly.’

Schickerling hopes to play professional rugby after school, but at the time of writing, he hadn’t received an offer from Western Province.

‘I want to play Craven Week and make the SA Schools team again this year. Then I want to continue my rugby career after school,’ says Schickerling. ‘Western Province would definitely be my first choice; the Cape is home for me after all. I also want to study mechanical engineering.’

By Gareth Duncan


Beeno1

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 15:41:31

By the time he is 20 he will be 120 kgs plus so he is looking good given his mobility and rugby brain.

By the time ou alistair wakes up the bulle or sharks will sign him. We need Alistair's email address!


Ek

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 15:54:43

Wow beeno and there i thought you would say no, he only weighs 107 ;)


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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 16:01:44

Even Beenkop must realise that at aged 16, 107kg is pretty impressive.

 

I have a kid in my club side, now with the England U16 side, who play USA and Scotland this weekend, who stands at 6'8 and weighs 111kg. He is a pretty handy opening bowler as well.


Beeno1

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 16:21:29

Benchmark for a lock - 120kg and rising!!!! Of course I realised that but Ekou didnt!

Snapster your kids no doubt look down on you! Hence why all the fuss about being 6ft - that is a bit short in any case. Oops forget I mentioned it! Hehehhe


Saffex

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 16:33:06

These kids are huge these days. My centres last year were my height. My tighthead prop weighed 115kg last year at U15 level and he is not fat. He shot puts for England and has been in the Northampton Saints age group sides for years. His dad coaches with me and is not a big man....I'm guessing my height and about 95kg. One lock is 6'8 (size 14 shoe), the other is 6'5 and they are U16.

 

Hell my son is one of the younger ones in the squad, is still 15 and he is nearly my height and weighs 83kg. They all spend plenty of time in the gym, its the modern way. 


Beeno1

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 16:51:28

A comparison of the size of your boys with a Bok side of say 20 or 30 years ago may yeild some surprising results. Those guys are massive for their age.  

Its perhaps a  reason why the mucher cant quite grasp the size issue today and its importance.


Saffex

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 10, 2013, 17:52:14

Yes and its not like our boys are the exception. We come up against sides that have some massive boys on board. We are lucky in that we have plenty of depth with about 60 boys in our U16 squad, we run three sides and many of these kids are involved in rugby most days of the week.

 

Half the boys are at private schools which play rugby, so many play for their school on Sat and for club on Sunday. Those that make the county side and Northampton Saints side end up having to attend training with these squads during the week as well. 

 

Some of them just play too much rugby and its a tough task trying to strike a balance. Their priority is first and foremost school, where they train 3 days a week, with matches on Sat. They have all been part of clubs since aged 5, so giving up on that is a no brainer. Club training is one evening a week and matches on Sunday. Add representitive rugby to this equation which is what all kids aspire to and you can see why the week is taken up with rugby.

 

My son has one day a week where he is not involved in rugby.

 

 


Ek

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 08:58:26

 Saf with the amount of time those kids spend in a Gym at that age, It can't be healthy and balanced. 

On another point, a bit related to the size of kids these days. I thinnk there should be some serious investigation into drug use. Dammit genetics and Gym work cannot lead to the sizes you guys are ramming off alone.


Saffex

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 10:41:09

Ek the old theory that kids in their mid to late teens should not be working out in the gym is way out of date. So all these kids are working out under the instruction of those in the know.

 

No, these kids are not involved in drug use as they know there is no escaping the testing. If they play representitive rugby, they are tested from U16 level onwards. They do use legal mass builders etc, but ultimately the reason for the change in size of the kids these days, is the fact that these kids are effectively replicating the professional rugby players daily regime of exercise, training and diets.

 

Some kids take it too far, I have a few in my squad that are very serious about their rugby and want to become professional players. Its our job to stress that there is more to life than rugby and that they should not hinge all their bets on the game as its a cut throat business with only a small percentage making the grade.


Ek

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 11:03:52

Saf I see it this way because mostly I believe sport at that age is supposed to be there for Development of social skills as well as physically keeping fit. Firstly above all a kid at that age should be academic, therefor sport is a secondary tool to the child's development. After schools, there are way too many children coming out of school that can't even read or write decently. Universities have to offer extra gap years for children to catch up. Parents also loose the focus, they believe that a child's education then becomes secondary to his sport, in this case rugby.

This is sad but true. So yes I watch the schools rugby festivals and enjoy them I also keep my eyes on the schools rankings, however this will never ever be a measurement for me to pick a school for my child. Balance will be my measurement. A school that uses it's sport to develop social aspects of the children with a foundation in academics.

Totally sports driven schools don't produce a balanced product and they put too much pressure on children who still need to be children. Some Parents loose that focus as well, the only thing that produces a balanced child is a lot of love and the freedom to be himself. Once too much pressure is put on these kids they expect that to be the norm and then that pressure creaste these kids that push it too far. Performance enhaning drugs, Personalities that are nastily competitive, these things start to pop up man, very unhealthy. That is mostly what i see as unhealthy, not neceserly just the Gyming at such a young age.


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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 11:25:46

I think we tend to lose sight of a couple of issue here.   Peope over te past five centuries have grown bigger every centrury.   I once went to a Museum in Graz in Austria and saw a huge army outfit collection of the 16 th century.  What was amazing to me was the size of the armour.   The strong and grown soldiers was somewhere around 5'1" tall and weighed in at about 35 kgs.  The aristocratic generals were generally quite a lot bigger.

The real answer to growth factor in humans can be traced back to two things - better nutritian and improved medical facilities.  The latter aspect became more pertinent in the 20th century, when medical practice advanced at a very high "speed"  and the diet of people improved drastically as well.   I can remember that the tallest guy in the 1938 Springbok team was 6'1" tall and he was considered a giant by both the SA team and the opposing All Blacks.

Take another example for instance - Piet Spiere duToit - was 6'1"  tall and weiged 96 kgs.  His granson is 6"8" and weighs 118 kgs - all that in just two generations.

Insofar as sport is concerned - the competitiveness of sport in the professional era brought on other changes as well.  Top sportemen around the world are instant millionaires and accumulates fortunes.   It is therefore a dream of many youngsters to have brilliant sporting careers.  They take specially-designed diets and nutrients to achieve better results.   However - there is a attraction to use drugs like steroids in the process as well and his is indeed a major negative - it can destroy their health in later life.   

In the end though we must accept that as long as medical and dietary advances continue - humans will naturally grow bigger and heavier every generation.        


Saffex

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 12:06:14

Yes Mike, its all about striking a balance between academics, sport and a social life. The school my kids go to is sports driven, in particular rugby and cricket. They actively seek out rugby players and offer 50% scholarships to kids and have the odd Saffa or Kiwi in their side.

 

I am a rugby man, so am more than happy with this as its the best rugby school in the area by some distance and the boys have to travel to get good opposition. I wanted my boys to experience the same kind of school environment I had in SA and in England you have to pay for that privilege for the state schools here are a laugh, where sport is mostly ignored and discipline is non existent.

 

Some parents and kids take the whole rugby thing too far. Parents have unrealistic expectations, questioning coaches selections etc......it all gets a little silly at times. 

 

Thankfully my boys treat sport for what it is, they love it but is does not dictate. However as a parent, I do find that rugby and cricket dominate my life, but hey who am I to complain - I love it. The director of rugby at my boys school, is a Saffa, I keep telling him I want his job!


oimatey

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 17:22:10

 Saffex - what are your boys using to build mass? Protein supplements? 


Sharkbok

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 21:45:52

 Spending too much time in gym is an recipe for creating one dimensional crash ball players who do not look for supporting players.

Better to balance this with skills training like touch rugby and passing and running drills, and other skills training. 

Look at the All Black players, many are not live in the gym creatine beasts. (i,e Carter, Conrad Smith, Israel Dagg, Richie Mccaw, etc etc

To much mass, means not enough brains.


Saffex

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RE: a candidate for Etzebeths partner at WP?
April 11, 2013, 22:06:08

 Yeah oimatey, mostly protein supplements and creatine!!

 

Shark, the kids do gym work in their own time. I know my boy and his mates spend some of their lunch hour in the gym. We have a gym at home.

 

Training is about skill drills and contact sessions. Plenty of touch is played, perfect way to warm the kids up.

 

We also always start the season playing 7's to encourage that free spirit and running rugby

 

Carter hardy stays away from the gym

 


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