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Beeno1

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Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 13:58:54

Ex Keo

But why is Groom dispensed with. Coetzee probably want Duvenage to tke some o fthe pressur eoff Van Aswegen and dkick a bit. Groom is till in my view our best scrummie.

Gary van Aswegen has been called upon to take the reins against the Sharks.

With Elton Jantjies injured, van Aswegen will start his first Super Rugby match of the season in a backline hit by injuries. Jaco Taute’s season ending knee injury sees Joe Pietersen move back to fullback and Damian de Allende coming onto the wing.

There is also a return for Dewaldt Duvenhage as Nic Groom falls out of the match 22 altogether. New backline faces on the bench are Kurt Coleman, who will cover for van Aswegen while Cheslin Kolbe is set to make his Super Rugby debut off the bench.

The forward pack remains unchanged while another potential debutant in Gerbrandt Grobler sits on the bench as second row cover.(Ruan Botha is clearly not in favour)

Stormers: 15. Joe Pietersen, 14. Damian de Allende, 13. Juan de Jongh, 12. Jean de Villiers (Capt), 11. Gio Aplon, 10. Gary van Aswegen, 9. Dewaldt Duvenhage, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Michael Rhodes, 6. Siya Kolisi, 5. Andries Bekker, 4. De Kock Steenkamp, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Deon Fourie, 1. Steven Kitshoff. Substitutes: 16. Martin Bezuidenhout, 17. Pat Cilliers, 18. Gerbrandt Grobler, 19. Nizaam Carr, 20. Louis Schreuder, 21. Kurt Coleman, 22. Cheslin Kolbe

Looks like we are getting real thin on the bench now!    


mozart

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 14:13:45

Gerbrandt Grobelaar .....his dad must have got a bit tipsy during the birth to give the poor bugger that name. I can't even see how you can shorten it into something which the human ear can tolerate.

 

Hasbeen I agree with you on Groom. Duvenage has been a very erratic performer , missing tackles and passing poorly. As for Louis Schreuder he is a disaster off the bench......and last week was one of the negative factors in the last 10 minutes. I'm sure Groom is being punished for that intercepted kick off the boot that resulted in a Cheetahs try. But till then he was playing well....and was yanked immediately.

 

If a guy is playing well, but has made one major mistake, which is unlikely to be repeated....why yank him? Why not leave him on there with all the motivation to set things right? And then to prefer the disastrous Schreuder for the next match, smacks of spite.


Beeno1

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 14:50:15

Moz you are possibly right. I wonder if Groom is not injured? I have though not heard anything about him being injured.

Duvenage lacks the dynamism of Groom. One charge down kick in a season is no reason to get in a huff if that is what has happened. I think it might have something to do with tactical kicking? Perhaps Alistair is concerned about Van Aswegen being able to do the necessary.

Dont like that bench too much.

 


Saffex

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 14:58:52

Come on Moz, you must remember the Gerbrandt Grobler who played 15 for the Bulls and opened the bowling for them? This kid is no relation apparently.

 

Agreed on Groom, he is by far the Stormers best 9. Duvenhage has been poor. Schreuder had some good outings last year but has had little game time this year.

 

Beenkop, Ruan Botha has only recently returned from injury. Played his first Vodacom Cup game a week or so ago


oimatey

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:05:12

 Going to be a tough one for the Stormers to win, even at home.

 

Coetzee needs to show Groom the same patience he has shown Jantjies.

 

 

 

 

 


Rooinek

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:14:06

Hmmmm . . . I wonder if Moffie is just being incredibly disrespectful to a South African sporting legend who passed away in a tragic accident some years ago or if he's really so ignorant about South African sport that he's never heard of the late Gerbrandt Grobler?


Beeno1

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:23:01

Rooitwit you say the guy was a legend. By what measure?


Rooinek

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:26:19

By the measure of people who followed cricket or rugby in South Africa 10 years ago.


Ek

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:33:20

Beeno, how many people do you know that played provincially both at cricket and rugby, now we aren't speaking school. Yeah he was great. however legend is a word we overuse. A legend in his own coutry. sure an internationnal legend, not really.


Beeno1

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:36:44

Cant recall him playing rugby or cricket for the national sides?

Provincial players are not legends in my book.


Rooinek

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:43:03

Yes Baboon-ou, but that's probably because your book is very, very small.

 

What you know about cricket and rugby combined could be written on the back of a 5 cent postage stamp using a very thick felt pen.


Saffex

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 15:49:46

I was at a local music festival a year or two ago and was talking to this woman who I know through friends of mine. Their son plays in the same club cricket side as my young man. They had lived in SA for about 7 years and she had been married to a SA'n at the time.

 

She asked me if I knew who Gerbrant Grobler was as she had, had an affair with him. Gerbrant was not attached at the time. At first I was a little startled as I thought she was saying that she had, had the affair at the time she was married to her current husband, the bloke standing about 2m away from me! But it transpired that is was at the time she was married to the SA'n.

 

Very attractive woman, I must say and a story to savour while watching/listening to Athlete!!


Beeno1

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 16:11:46

Please rooitwit get a grip. In your book a legend would be common place. Legends rooitwit are however rare. You yourself are a legend - as a nuttter that is! Clapping Hands


mozart

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 17:19:51

RooiAAS, this is the Oxford definition of legend:

 

2. an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field:the man was a living legend

 

Last time I checked we had two people who generally follow SA sports who hadn't heard of Gerbrandt. Hardly "extremely famous".

 

But you will have to forgive me, I live in a wider world and I don't have your laser like focus on the parochial. I concede you know  Gerbrandt and I don't....congratulations.


mozart

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 17:28:50

Geez Dave, I can only assume if the woman's husband wasn't standing 2 m away, she might have switched the conversation to you. Why talk about past paramours when Dave.....catnip  to women...... was standing right beside her.


Saffex

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 17:59:33

 Now, now Moz, I am always on my best behaviour when in the company of attractive woman!!


clevermike

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RE: Shuffled backline for Stormers
April 10, 2013, 18:00:32

Original thread got side tracked again.   Let me get it back to the orifinal discussion bt dealing with the backline players involved.

Full Back

Steyn had a few good runs - but was often out of position last week and he made no contribution to defence - he never made a single tackle during the whole game because he was to slow to get in position to do any defencive work.   Pietersen is not a house on fire - but his positional play is better and he is definitely better in a fast flowing game.  Whereas Steyn made no tackles in the Crusaders game - in the Stormers - Crusaders game Pietersen made 6 tackles and missed 1.   The reason for this can entirely be attributed to the speed factor and better positional play.   I would say that the situation here is 60-40 in favour of Pietersen.

Wings

De Allende was very good on the wing when he played for WP last year and scored a number of tries for them - speedy and a very strong runner,   Robinson is a newby and reportedly very speedy.   Aplon is definitely a better wing than Ndungane,   This favour the Sharks 60-40,

Centers

De Jongh scored 2 tries last week - but they were not really top tries scored through good backline attacking moves.   His defence was atrocious and cost his team dearly - missing 4 tackjles and hiding away from others he should at least have endeavoured,   His tackle count was 6 made and 4 missed.   Jordaan was not really up to stadard last week and there was a serious lapse in defence - he missed a tackle of Fruean.  However, his tackle count was 7 made and 1 missed.   Jordaan can be problematic on attack - De Jongh is rarely an attacking option.

Bosman is a very average 12 and De Villiers a much better one.   

On the whole - because of De Villiers' presence the situation is 55-45 in favour of the Stormers.

Half Backs

No contest -   65-35 in favour of the Sharks (if Jantjies was playing - it would have been 70-30)

Summary

The presence of De Villiers, Aplon  and De Allende make a huge difference in the backline of the Stormers - but is not enough to swing the pendulum in their favour,  Even with Steyn at full back - the backline situation still favours the Sharks,

The Sharks to win by 12+ points.

 


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