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Denny

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Dave....
April 10, 2013, 12:29:34

please walk me through the Jantjies "X Factor"....seriously now, perhaps I've missed  something about him and I hope I have, for you to say he has the X Factor" is a huge call and I'd like your interpretation of it. Please also do not use Morne as a comparison...this is about your appraisal of Jantjies.

 

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RE: Dave....
April 10, 2013, 12:41:42

I could mean ex in the sense of the past?   I think when Grant is back he will be the Stormers flyhalf.

Snapster I am giving you a way out?


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RE: Dave....
April 10, 2013, 14:03:37

He is able to create something from nothing......look no further than those passes that set up tries a few weeks back.

 

He plays his rugby like Quade Cooper and Freddie Michalak.......prone to greatness and despair all within a blink of an eye.

 

Not in the greatest form at the moment 


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RE: Dave....
April 10, 2013, 14:13:01

Did you see the hospital passes snapster?
Anyhow you will be pleased to know that Johan Ackermann is still backing jantjes to star for the Stormers.

Personally I would prefer Grant.

 


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RE: Dave....
April 10, 2013, 14:38:14

 There have been no hospital passes. You could go with Grant if you want to follow the Bulls way


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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 10:46:32

 [removed] !!!! I agree with you man! :) 

Seriously though, Saf has a point. Jantjies is that type of player, when he is in form he is brilliant, but when he flops he flops just as magnificently. The trick with him is to get his head in the right space mentally. And yes, alot of people think it is bull[removed], but seriously I don't think he is in the right space at the moment. For a kid that just lost his dad a few weeks back, be honest with yourself. If you lose a person that close to you, that played such a huge role in your life? Would your head be in the right space?

Jokes aside, maybe this injury did come at the right time. He should get his head straight. Players like that are whimsical but have the potential for brilliance. Don't ever expect consistency from him though, none of these type of players ever have consistency.


bluebok

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 11:48:52

I acknowledge that Jantjes has X-Factor, but his worst enemy is his lack of consistency. If a player earns you 10 points in a game and then costs you 10 points in that same game, he has actually done nothing. He is exciting and is genuinely able to create magic, but when those moments of magic are too far apart, the value of such a player drops. Quade Cooper and Carlos Spencer are/were the same sort of players, and to illustrate my point, it is starting to look as though Cooper is being overlooked for the Wallaby's Lions squad. 

 

Jantjes will never be a great. Goosen on the other hand, bar injuries, may very well go down as s great.  


Saffex

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 12:33:43

The only reason Cooper is being overlooked is because he publicly slagged off Deans. The art of playing creative/flair players like Jantjies is embracing their creativity and giving the player the freedom to express and execute that flair on the field without the fear of repercussions if it all goes wrong. With this kind of security, players like this settle into their roles, safe in the knowledge that the positives will far outweigh the negatives.

 

The last thing you want to do is curb that creativity. Along with that creativity, comes to need for team mates to be atune to the unexpected. The Reds have this right, when Cooper is settled and on fire, his team mates tend to feed off his brilliance.......those imaginative passes tend to find recipients and lets face it, defences are so tight and structured these days, that one way of unlocking them is to throw caution to the wind and have the likes of Cooper and Jantjies create something from nothing, be its a pass, step or use of the boot.

 

What I like about Jantjies is that he never looks flustered even when he [removed]s up, he tends to laugh about it. Playing these kind of players is a gamble, but in my books certainly worth it. A settled creative player can only reap positive rewards for you - with the odd blemish thrown in of course.

 

Would I start Jantjies ahead of Goosen or Lambie - no, but would I have him on my bench - yes.

 

Cooper on the otherhand is better than Jantjies and I would definately start him for Oz. Deans is being a childish kid ignoring Cooper. He needs to grow up and put his personal issues aside and do whats right for Oz rugby. Oz need Cooper at 10


bluebok

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 15:52:53

Ok Saff, I get where are coming from. One misconception is that people on this site think you rate Jantjes as the bee's knees, but this last post of yours puts your views nicely into perspective. Can't really argue with your logic. Rugby squads and teams are all about balance, and likewise, players like Jantjes are to be viewed in a balanced manor. He has a specific style of play that requires a buy-in from both his coaches and team mates. He will produce brain farts, but given freedom to express himself, he'll create magic. I strongly suspect that his recent dip in form can be attributed largely to the Stormers restrictive coaching style. I think people also tend to forget just how young he is, with time he'll probably become a little more calculated, which will make him an all round better player...provided he does not have the flair coached out of him.


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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 16:17:28
Did anyone mention Jantjies is brilliant? Can't defend likes to do what he wants and any coach who drops him get axed. Well you do the math why is still around and considered for the South African setup. He may look good look good at a lower level like a weakened Currie Cup level but at Super Rugby he is a big fail and he was found wanting. So much so that he was replaced by Butch James and Lions managed to beat the Sharks blocking that hole in the midfield. But unfortunately Mitchell was fired for doing that.

OS du Randt try to reprimand him when they were on a SA tour. He broke team rules and other things. Result. Os Du Randt got fired Percy the kicking coach was given a warning. Can't believe the Stormers would pay 2million for a dud like him and ontop of it a guy who thinks he can do what he wants.

Meyer has to select him as part of the Squad of course because it was already said Meyer do not like players of color. So Meyer in all sense is stuffed. Thank god I'm not him. Good luck


bluebok

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 16:26:13

Spooony, If I understand you correctly, you don't like Jantjes....as for the rest of your comment, I am not sure what you are on about!


Saffex

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 16:30:13

Yeah blue you have that spot on. Jantjies is talented but equally flawed and as we have seen with Cooper, he has become more calculated with time as Jantjies will.

 

Spoony, you are speaking a load of rubbish


Spooony

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 16:50:12
Speaking rubbish with what exactly? Maybe you are just lost by reality due to living under a rock for a year or two?


Spooony

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 17:21:32
Elton Jantjies must be a tactical genius if he is not in the team for his kicking abilities


Spooony

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RE: Dave....
April 11, 2013, 17:21:34


Denny

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RE: Dave....
April 13, 2013, 06:35:34

Sportsman who I think had or have the X Factor are those who are born or gifted with special talents, they are balanced, have rhythm and timing and are naturally talented, would also have natural speed. They make things look easy where others beside them struggle....is this Jantjies?


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RE: Dave....
April 13, 2013, 09:00:14

Os fired because of Jantjies was bull[removed]...it was just a manipulative political ploy by Snoekbek and SARU...if you believe this...well, no comment. What's it got to do with X factor of Jantjies??? Snoekbek never kept his word...
A shortage of money is apparently the main reason being offered by SARU as to why his contract is not being extended.

 


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