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Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 07:57:35

 Mike it seems you were right about peterson the final squad was selected for the tour to Argentina and apparently Serfontein and Peterson will both be considered for the JWC but are not considered for the tour due to Superrugby commitments. So it seems that this Baby boks only takes preference when there are no other commitments? Weird, I think they should be considered as they need to form part of the group and get to know their teammates., a warm up tour like this is the perfect opportunity., SARU made the team higher priority just because of this, that good young players are excluded because of franchise/province commitments. 

Glad to see the unpredictable Justin Geduld in the mix. This kid is going to light the sevens world in the future.

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Baby Boks prepare for Argentine tour

Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:52

The South Africa Under-20 training squad has assembled in Johannesburg to complete their final preparations for their three-week tour to Argentina.

The 34-player squad were kitted out on Sunday and had their first training session on Monday at St. Stithians College in Bryanston, Johannesburg.

Two more field sessions are planned for Tuesday before the team travels to Buenos Aires from the OR International Airport on Wednesday.

The Junior Springboks training squad will play one midweek match and two friendly internationals against Argentinian opposition as part of their preparations for the 2013 IRB Junior World Championships (JWC), which will be held during June in France. South Africa are the current JWC champions.

Coach Dawie Theron’s squad will play their first tour match on Saturday, April 13 against an Argentina Under-20 XV in Corrientes.

This will be followed by two clashes against the Argentina Under-20s on April 16 (Corrientes) and April 21 (Buenos Aires) respectively. The squad returns home on April 23 and the final South Africa Under-20 JWC squad will be named on April 26.

Five squad members will be in action in the Varsity Cup Final on Monday evening at Stellenbosch and they will join their team mates on Tuesday morning in Johannesburg.

The five players are Handré Pollard, Marvin Orie (Tukkies), Jurie van Vuuren, JP Lewis and Freddie Kirsten (Maties).

The Bulls’ JWC-winning centre Jan Serfontein and Southern Kings teenage wing Sergeal Petersen were not considered for the tour because of Super Rugby commitments. They will however be considered for JWC selection.

Also included in the squad are Springbok Sevens players Seabelo Senatla and Justin Geduld, both members of the BlitzBokke who won the Tokyo Sevens tournament


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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 08:16:11


The one missing player that will be a huge loss to the side is Timo Swiel.  I wish he would reconsider his decision in the rlevant regard.


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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 09:17:59

 Well nothing we can do about that decision boet. We have to live with it. at least there is alot of talent going around. so Somone else will step up.


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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 11:10:29

Disagree, it is more important that players like Jan Serfontein find their feet at the much higher level of Super 15 rugby than go on tour with the Baby Boks


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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 11:24:20

 Now you are thinking about the individual A girl and not the team. If you remember correctly....Rugby is a team sport.

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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 11:45:49

i agree with A girl, players like serfontein can do more for the jrBoks by continuing to play at spXV a much harder level of rugby.
the exposure to that level of rugby wi have benefits for the jrBoks as a whole, especially when sefontein and any other spXV players join up with the squad. they will instantly be looked upon by others as leaders both on and off the field & will give their teammates an extra confidence boost as they know they will be playing with someone who has handeld much tougher levels of rugby.

interesting call by timo sweil, i understand he is wehing up options to prob play for england instead??? why cant he just play for the jrBoks and then england if he wants to??? and would his actions not be considered worse then those of the cape crusaders??? i mean those guys are just cheering for the opposition, timo sweil wants to play for the opposition??? o_O


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RE: Mike you were right about Peterson.
April 09, 2013, 11:56:58

Sasuke the issue comes with where the Baby boks are classified as by SARU. They have upgraded the team to the second team, which means just below the Boks. 

This means 2 things. Firstly they can request the release of S15 players if they so choose. and Secondly that if capped you will become inelligeble to play for another country(well that is the basic gist of it) Thus: Timo Swiel will not be able to qualify for England in future if he doesn't make the Springbok team. So him opting out means he wants to keep his options open. To be able to qualify for England if he doesn't make the Bok side in future. 

This also creates the issue with my question. Regarding team dynamic. The players do get valuable experience playing in the S15, but this is a unique situation where they can represent their country with individuals of the same age. Thus the guys that will play with them in the future. SARU has the clout to recall these guys, one of the reasons they Upgraded the Baby bok side. So why not use it. And let the strongest team tour to Argentina theeby improving team dynamic and improving the chances of these guys oplaying together more. Peterson and Serfontein will now only get to learn how their new team mates play and how to play with them right before the tournament. not good for preperation if your possible star players aren't part of that preparation.

So My argument has nothing to do with development of the player, everything to do with the reasons SARU made the choice, Why they are not excecuting on that choice and thirdly why individual before team in a team sport?

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