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Beeno1

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Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 09:58:04

Stormers prop Pat Cilliers will make his second start of the 2013 season, after being named to face the Crusaders in Cape Town on Saturday. (This is not fatal)
 
Cilliers comes in for the suspended Steven Kitshoff in the number one jersey in one of two changes to the Stormers starting line-up that claimed a 35-22 win over the previously unbeaten Brumbies this past weekend.
 
The other change is also in the front-row, with hooker Tiaan Liebenberg (elbow) a late injury-victim. (How is tha tfo rbad luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - effects our scrum and lineouts!!!!!! -could be fatal but here is hoping)
 
Currie Cup-winning captain Deon Fourie will start in the number two jersey for the Stormers, with Martin Bezuidenhout taking his place amongst the replacements once again.
 
Bezuidenhout, who is on loan from the Lions this season, will be joined on the bench by the experienced Brok Harris (77 Super Rugby appearances) - who, in turn, will be part of a Stormers matchday squad for the first time this year.

Stormers: 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Gerhard van den Heever, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage , 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 De Kock Steenkamp, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Pat Cilliers.
Replacements: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 Brok Harris, 18 Don Armand, 19 Nizaam Carr, 20 Nic Groom, 21 Damian de Allende, Jaco Taute.


sebastienchabal

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 10:23:15

Might cost Stormers this game but even so not a train smash especially when missing key players...the season is still long and lots can happen...very few sides are going to get through the Crusaders hurdle...they're a side that always learn from their mistakes albeit they are few and just get better and better.

I think the Stormers too will get better and better as this competition goes further and further and their key players recover... the Sharks too will just get better and better once stability is found and they find a working formula...forget about the Rebels game that really proves very little.

If the Stormers slip this one then they can be forgiven...if they win it will be surprise and am eye-opener and cast another mystery into this unpredictable competition.


clevermike

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 10:58:03

Beeno

The Re-Union panel last night was lamenting for 15 minutes the fact tht Read is not playing.  When the question was asked which team is going to win - Justin Marshall was nearly in tears - bit his fist - and then said :-

"I have to be honest in this programme and have to say the Stormers will win."

The question remains - both teams are missing frontline players - the Crusaders Carter and Read - the Storrmers Liebenberg and Kitshoff.   The latter two represents a moderate loss of personnel by the Stormers - the loss of players by the Crusaders are much more serious.

I think that replacing Kitshoff with Cilliers is not major - but Fourie is a problem.  There are scrummaging problems when he is the hooker - and he has yet to learn how to make line-out throws.   On the positive side - he is very goodi n the loose and may be an added vallue from that perspective.

We must also bear in mind that the Crusaders backline this year has had a tendency to spill and knock on balls and Dagg has not really been a house on fire.   

So I think with good defence and a superiority up front -the Stormers could still win this game. 


clevermike

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 10:58:04

Sorry - duplication


Beeno1

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 11:03:58

I see Tiaan and Etzebth as being key tight forwards, We have still managed without etzebeth but Tiaan being missing is serious. Missing an on form Burger is also not good but we are managing and ideally we should be pllying the excellent Fourie at 6. Tiaan being out though is very bad news.

But yes one keeps hoping. The will to win must be strong.

 

 


sebastienchabal

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 12:58:09

When the question was asked which team is going to win - Justin Marshall was nearly in tears - bit his fist - and then said :-

"I have to be honest in this programme and have to say the Stormers will win."

This sort of reply sounds suspect...slightly patronising and when people say "I have to be honest" asks another question...why are they not always honest?

Just word games...bunny trails and red-herrings !

We're heard it all before but predictions against the Crusaders are like lottos except there are only 2 possibilities...but I'd back Crusaders against my heart. I'm willing to be wrong.

The absence of key players in both teams does however make it a difficult call and I do see merit in Beeno's comments.


Beeno1

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 14:07:32

Sb I prefer the word excellence!!!


clevermike

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 14:14:24

Seb

I have watched carefully every game the Crusaders played this year and as far as I am concerned they are not on par with the team of last year - reputation does not win matches, performances do.   They played very attractive runningg rugby- but the number of errors made in the process is really problematic.  They have their foirwards constatly standing around in the backline and that causes problems as well.

Be it as it may - although I do not rate the Stormers backline - with rare exceptions - I really think the Crusaders forwards will have to play a tighter game and I just wonder how they would perform against a team with a strong forward combination.   Their problems are going to start in the line-outs.  Without Reid they are going to lose more of their own line-outs than anyone would imagine.   It is the weak point in their set-up and they are ot going to do well in mauls as well.   

The latter is the reason why I ws critical about Fourie's line out feeds.

 


sebastienchabal

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RE: Is this a fatal blow to the Stormers for Saturday?
March 28, 2013, 14:50:51

Crafty Mike and Brilliant Beeno...ask [removed] when in doubt...he knows the answer afterall he is a safe examiner...unfortunately he is so busy and only has time to reply on Tuesdays after he has time to prepare his defence...lol.


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