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Beeno1

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The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 10:50:33

Pierre has always been a back rather than a forward. I propose an IMMEDIATE switch to inside center. The guy is the same size as sbw. He is at least as fast, has an ability to beat a defender and will be very dangerous at 12.

Unfortunately the powers that be have wasted Spies to the great detriment of bulle and the Boks.


clevermike

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 13:00:02

Beeno

I know its hard for you to understand that backline players need some ball sense and the idea of Spie at 12 is almost as loony as having Steyn there.   Have you gone off your trolley completely now?


Beeno1

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 13:13:38

 ou maaaaaik given your imaginative limitations I am not surprised by your inability to grasp Pierre's potential as a 12.

Bye the way did you see Spiesies run through the crusties but was called back for obstruction. Look how he moves, the excelaration, change of direction etc. He would be a real danger there.

However I am not expecting it too happen given mindsets that prevail - yours being an example ou maaaik. Hahahahahhahahaha


JeromeV

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 14:12:18

Spies doesn't have the essential level of attributes which is required at 12 such as vision, the abilty to offload during a tackle, creating space to open gaps for the outside centre, therefore he shouldn't be considered making a transition to inside centre. Spies at 12 would be a disaster, however there is certain aspects which he would be well suited on the wing more than anywhere else in the backline. I see what you mean though, Spies would be dangerous in open space.


Saffex

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 14:24:18

Beenkop stop showing your complete lack of rugby knowledge.

 

Spies has been one of the form 8's of the S15 and was one of the few Bulls forwards who at best could be described as solid today.

 

You need flair, creativity and great hands and touch to play 12 - no to mention the ability to read the play, react quickly and marshall the outside backs - Spies has none of this, he does not have the rugby nous of a back, not even close.

 

The only attributes Spies has for a 12 is strength and speed and thats where it ends. Spies would be a disaster at 12


clevermike

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 14:57:23

A girl

Spies and Steyn at 12 is the same.   Your description of "You need flair, creativity and great hands and touch to play 12 - no to mention the ability to read the play, react quickly and marshall the outside backs" is the best I have seen from you in a long time.   Steyn has none o the required attributes and you still support him. How come?


Saffex

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:15:42

Mike my guess is that you think that an inside centre is one of the guys who plays in the scrum - what you know about rugby is about as good as my knowledge of baking scones


mozart

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:20:22

Geez Dave is it scones now?


Saffex

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:22:03

Moz, I would not know where to start!!


clevermike

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:37:02

A girl

Really disappointing - I point out that your hero Steyn has none of the attributes you described as required from a 12 - and you come back with no real response.  To answer you clearly and precisely.  Steyn is so slow he cannot play at center.  You make an excellent suggestion - he may become a reasonable loosie -  but is most likely too slow for that as well.


polyboy

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:48:55

Like the way Spies is playing this year, its like he's discovered his rugby "'hunger" again. I always think of him as the anti Lomu...a back who became a forward. He reminds of Zinzan Brooke not your traditional no 8, but has skills of both forwards and a back matched by mass & pace, sometimes I wonder whether this was coached out of him or there was a lack of confidence which saw a decline in form. Whatever miss the Spies of old...maybe, maybe this is his year.


Saffex

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:49:10

Mike I have no desire to answer you on the subject of Frans for you are too stupid to grasp any concept of rugby in general and in particular when it comes to Frans

 

I'm bored with your ignorance


David.Searle

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 15:50:48

 I am releasing 2 books this year, one is "backing scones for dummies" and the other is, you guessed it "watching rugby for dummies".

I know nothing about either so this makes me the perfect author for both books


Beeno1

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 16:10:15

 Its very easy to see that Pierre has taken a wrong turn thanks to somebody getting him to leave the backline and become an loosie.

You cant say with certainly he would not have been able to become a devasting 12 if not of course a winger. 


mozart

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 16:19:01

Spies was a passenger at RWC11....no passion, robotic. With the time off he has probably decided it's more fun to be a Bok. But that doesn't mean he wont totally disappear in the tests. What he does well, running through open field might be possible once in every ten tests. The rest of the time he is just bashed about by more physical loosies.

 

Nor is he a back. Go back and watch how Dagg totally bamboozled him a few years back. He not agile enough for a back...and doesn't think like  a back.

 

The resurrection of Spies is just another dead end.


Beeno1

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 16:26:32

 Nope just a bit of debulking, emphasis on speed at at a minimum he could play wing. Dr Mozzzzz use youir imagination please/ 

Oh and please read Lennox's book "God's undertaker (has Science bured God) Moz.  I have heard him speak 3 times this week and he was superb. Probably to much for rooinek to tackle! Hahahahahahahaha


clevermike

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RE: The answer to the Pierre Spies problem
March 16, 2013, 16:31:23

A girl

The issue is simple - one of us is stupid.   I guess if Steyn is still on the field of play after 60 minutes today I am the stupid one.  If not - well guess what then.  If he buggers up again like in all rounds thus far this year - it may be his last start for the Sharks today. 

I guess that the latter is going to be the case and am going to watch him carefully today and note down excatly what he has done.   Hope it turns out he is better than I  expect - but that may also be a mirage - like the one you believe in all the time about that one.


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