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mozart

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What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 16:26:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h8WA9Lasa8


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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 19:09:23

Even though I am a die-hard Sharks supporter, I agree that that was absolutely amazing.


Saffex

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 19:13:52

Bob sums that up perfectly. He has never seen that happen to Bismark given he is always the biggest and the strongest.

 

Etzebeth is a freak, what is scary is that he is even bigger and stronger now than when he destroyed the mighty Bismark

 

That was my rugby moment of 2012 and marked the arrival of Eben on the big stage 


sebastienchabal

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 19:37:55

Etzebeth is a great and powerful player...that is so obvious but this is twisted and meaningliness crap... it could have happened the other way around...crumbs this happens in rugby...not red-neck mentality...we all know Bismarck too is a powerful freak...I just think that this can happen in different situations...actually Etzebeth did SA rugby a great disfavour and I do not think it was intentional just 2 tough men colliding and doing the job tough rugby is all about. Putting a guy out (and one of your national teammates never comes into the thoughts of players) it just simply happens in the course of a very tough competition.

Nothing to raa raa about. Proves absolutely zilch in rugby but sometimes does appeal to redneck mentality that exists in all countries.


Boklogic

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 21:59:46

Exactly sebastienchabal. It happens for various reasons. If players did not get bounced off or slip tackles, rugby scores would likely go up in three's if not nil all.

 

Etzebeth can run at Bismarck 100 times and that might happen 5 times and Bismarck can run at Etzebeth 100 times and that might happen 5 times too. Wrong posture going in to the tackle as well as getting your head on the wrong side all play big factors. It has little to do with how strong Etzebeth is. A less strong player like  Juandre Kruger could have done that to Bizzy too. Its just one of those things.

People talk like Etzebeth is this unstoppable monster from 1 incident. Bizzy just got it wrong in the hit. It looked like he was prepared to ride the tackle to the ground and Etzebeth planted and threw his weight forward like a classical bounce whilst Bizzy was expecting him to keep moving forward and take the ball into contact.


Saffex

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 23:04:40

What nonsense , rugby's ultimate is about dominating the one on one. For those that play the game, beating a man one on one in a contact situation rates higher than stepping two or three players and leaving them for dead.

 

What makes Eben's hit that more significant is that he took out one of rugby's ultimate hard men.

 

Yes it was a one off, but a mighty one off it was.

 

Seb judging by your comments you either never played the game or was always on the receiving end of an Etzebeth?


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
February 28, 2013, 23:30:44

I'm not sure about the moral angle here, or even if there is one....it was just a power moment of the first magnitude. It appealed to me, but maybe that's just the mining town education in me,  as Chabal says.

 

I do know this, the Stormers will be 8 points worse for not having Eben on the park on Saturday....having the most feared  guy on the park in your ranks always helps.


Boklogic

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 00:29:23

Moz, are hard man he is and no one can say any different. In my opinion, I think even at this stage in his career, he is "harder" or at least more effective as a ball carrier than Bakkies ever was. It a massive call I know but Eben has the goods but I doubt he is "feared" by fellow super rugby players.

How do you come up with the 8 point difference with him there as opposed to not. You may be right, but how will we ever know. Can I say the Sharks are at a 10 point loss with Keegan Daniel or Alberts off the park? Maybe Eben, through some over hard play, gives away 3 kickable penalties. 9 points that might not have come had he been off the park. I do not think Eben is the difference between the 2 teams. Alberts is also a huge loss to the Sharks in ball carrying and physicality stakes. He is on par with Eben for what he does for the Sharks and that is a fact.

 

[removed], It hink as a tight forward, beating the man in a 1 on 1 contact situation is what you want as you are hardly likely to have a damaging step or swerve. As a back, any back would much rather dance their way through multiple defenders than beat one in contact. Rugby is about exploiting space at the end of the day. All the hard work done up front is all hopefully in aid of creating space for your backs to have a crack. Creating mis matches and overlaps or 2 on 1 attacking situations.

 

All that situation between Eben and Bismarck proves is that Bismarck is just human. It happens. Even the best defenders in the world get bounced off or have bad games. Go an ask Conrad Smith (twice) about the Blues over the weekend. He is normally a brick wall but he was bumped off and run clean over twice! He got his body position too high (as did Bizzy) and he paid the price.

 

So Moz, lets agree that it will be a very even game. Willem Alberts and Eben Etzebeth are both worth 8 points and thus cancelling each other out. May the best team win..As long as they are the Sharks!!


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 00:39:35

Fair point....BL. Both teams have missing players, and I'm not making excuses. I have a sneaking feeling I may not need them.

 Go Stormers!


Saffex

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 00:42:11

Wrong, having played as a centre all my life and relied on the step or swerve as my principal attacking weapon, nothing gave me greater pleasure than putting my shoulder into a player and getting the better of him. Its a rare thing and something to savour. It certainly got my blood pumping more than those steps.

 

That applies to a back or forward. Rugby is a game of attrition and when broken down to the basics its ultimately about the one on one physical confrontation. A defender would rather be stepped than run straight over and therein lies the answer.


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 00:54:19

Careful with that shoulder Dave, it's hanging on a thread!


Saffex

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 01:11:56

Haha, yeah it would not make the grade these days. Hell last cricket season I threw it out going for a run out. I usually just bang it back into place in a state of panic, but on this ocassion it would not go back in.

 

I took comfort in the fact that one of my best mates, a GP was on the field with me. He was bloody useless and did not know what to do. I eventually got it back in and he pointed out that as a GP, he is never confronted with dislocations, which is true of course. He quickly pointed out that dislocations usually go to A&E.

 

However, he is a doctor after all and we never let him live it down, much like his poor showings as an umpire!


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 02:01:22

 I actually had the same problem playing for a UCT inter mural team. Tackled a big bloke who swerved out on me and I caught all the force on the wrist area. Popped that shoulder right out of there. I never knew what the hell was wrong,but my scrummie did.....told me to wheel my arm till it popped in....which it did. I went on playing and it came out again.

 

After that I couldn't serve for a while, and it came out when I was surfing one day. That was a mess. But finally after a cortisone shot it settled down.


Boklogic

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 02:28:24

Whats with you boys and shoulders? Worst I have had was a snapped color bone or clavicle as the doctors called it playing against a touring Wynberg boys high team. I was playing 13, followed the scrummie on a blindside break with about 7 metres of space to work with and got the ball on the touchline with a lock coming across in cover. He wrapped my arms up so I had no free arm to break my fall and landed on my left shoulder with the force of both our weights.  (I was only 81kgs at school, he must have been about 10 to 15 more than that). Made the loudest crack ever heard on a rugby field according to my team mates and the ref who immediately blew the whistle sensing something was not right. I cant remember how long I was out for but I have never had a problem with it since then. I think its actually stronger where the bone has knitted.

 

Dave I hear what you saying regards being stronger than your opponent. Your words remind me of a certain Mr Trevor Halstead whom I have met a few times out and about in Durban and Margate (he really enjoys his dop) and he said all he ever concentrated on when he played rugby was being that 10 to 15% stronger than his opponent. He said it made the game a lot easier and thats what ultimately won him Bok colours.

When I was younger (under 14 and 15) I would often bump guys off and actually used to look to do that but as I got older and other guys were now the same size and bigger, that became a lot more difficult. I would still pump my legs through a half gap and hit the line hard and sometimes break right through but very rarely would I ever knock a guy off his feet. At 1st team level and higher, guys generally know how to get in position to execute a tackle and tackle properly. It does do a lot for your morale and fires you up if you go over the top of an opponent but the likelihood of that happening at Super rugby level is probably 1 to 5 times in 100 attempts. These guys are all strong athletes with good technique. It usually only happens when a defender gets too side on or in a really unstable and bad body position.

 

I was never/still am not a great sidestepper. I have pretty long levers standing at 1.94cm tall so was never going to be an Aplon or De Jongh. I do swerve quiet well and rely heavily on getting the ball away in contact by extending my long arms over a tackle or breaking through with pace. I do not suggest I am a SBW or someone like that but then again, I am not playing at the level he plays at. He does that on the big stage and thats what makes him a whole lot better than me. I am one of those players that will find a way to offload in contact better than the next but I suppose it is a lot easier being taller. Look how often a guy like Etzebeth, Matfield, JDV and Daniller get the ball away in the tackle as it is not easy to wrap their arms up compared to that of a Jordaan or Aplon.


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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 11:29:48

Given the nature of the game, shoulder dislocations are pretty common. Mine became an issue in that I never treated the injury with respect. The first time it happened, was playing against Grey PE, first move of the game, their fullback hit the line from deep, I hit him and dislocated my shoulder, he broke his ankle.

 

A doctor put my shoulder back and that was the last time a doctor did the honours. Thereafter, whenever it came out, I'd pop it back in and carry on playing, hardly doing the shoulder a service. At the time of dislocation it is never a pain thing, just an uncomfortable feeling and I hate it - hence the panic to get it back in. I remember when I was doing national service and they made us box, the first time I threw a round arm bunch my shoulder popped and they wanted me to go to sickbay to have it popped back in. There was no way I was going to endure a trip with a dislocated shoulder, so as usual I just popped it back in. The pain sets in once the muscles cool down. It takes a good week to get over it, so as a youngster, I would often play the following Sat knowing my shoulder was not 100%, but missing a match was never an option. Weights did strengthen the shoulder and two ops later had it in good shape, but ultimately rugby won the battle.

 

Boklogic, the opportunity to do an Etzebeth is very infrequent and not the type of play a back for a start should be striving for, but sometimes situations dictate that the direct route is the only route and its when you pull off an Etzebeth that gets the bloody pumping and your team mates slapping you on the back.

 

Ray Mordt was the master of the Etzebeth and for that reason one of my all time favourites. The man was before his time in that he was a gym freak and built like a bodybuilder. I remember him going down with the shoulder to meet those trying to take him low. Will never forget his 3 tries against the AB's. 

 

 


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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 15:52:32

Gert Muller was the original at the lowered shoulder move. Muller was extremely fast, but seemed to delight in running through his opponent.... I remember him knocking the Bools number 8 onto his backside in the process of scoring. He also had a massive handoff. A test player at 21, he was brilliant, but only for a few years.


sebastienchabal

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 19:33:11

Somebody has a chip on his shoulder here and it's not from the game and most of us know who he is...makes assumptions about people he does not know and calls some liars and ignorant about rugby and quotes everything out of context and relies on stats to determine...a braggard...great men and real strong men do not have to boast...they simply are and have humility. They have integrity and know the secret of greatness. They never delight in trying to humiliate their fellowman. They simply do the right things and results follow and reward them.

I enjoy banter and light-hearted humour but some are just unbalanced and warped.


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 19:42:09

Chabal I can't even remember us talking except for a posting you made about Jake, which I supported. Explain, what have I done to hurt your feelings?


sebastienchabal

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 20:22:53

It's not you Mozzie. Please read the context...


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 20:39:32

 Good to hear.....I was wondering if my failing memory had failed again.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 21:03:38

i always liked that hit, but that wasnt a case of sheer dominance, u can clearly see ezebths forearm making contact with the side of bizzys head.
now before u all huff and puff and try to blow my post down, im not saying anything was illegal, all im saying is that bismarcks head was in the wrong place at the right time and he was already in lala land before he hit the ground.
IMHO, if he hadnt been concussed (which is what i bem]lieve happened to him), by which i mean had the side of bismarcks head made no contact with ezebeths arm, he would have tackled ezebeth.

i remember the 2011 RWC when the Boks played samoa and david lemi at full speed ran straight at bismarck who was facing him head on and lemi fended him a good half meter back on his ass. that was more impresive IMO,


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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 22:04:39

ROTFLMAO!

 

That is hilarious! I love how Moffie just assumed Chabal was talking about him and then got all tearful!

 

"What have I done to hurt your feelings?"

 

Sniff!

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!


mozart

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 01, 2013, 22:36:07

Nothing old Rooinek loves more than a good laugh......even if he has been exposed as a pompous ignoramus. 


sebastienchabal

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 02, 2013, 03:13:20

Haibo!...nyet! not Chiilibite...this self-appointed expert Saffa expat sees himself as a budding Donald Trump.


sebastienchabal

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RE: What a Stormer does to a Shark
March 02, 2013, 09:06:39

Some wires have got badly crossed here...Etzebeth is a phenomena but much ado about nothing...he did absolutely nothing wrong in the charge, simply protecting the ball with his forearm...Bismarck misjudged his height (slightly out of position) and should have gone lower in the tackle and the result was the forearm connected the neck and the elbow the temple...Eben has speed and that type of crack would down Tyson and. But Bismarck got up and carry on with the game. It had absolutely nothing to do with torn ligaments to the knee which were sustained in the Argies game.

[removed] gets too contentious at times and appoints and endeavours to set himself up as an expert and authority...the guys ego is so inflated and fragile that if he was Jonah he'd try to swallow a whale. He strains at gnats and swallows camels.

Tonight we'll see what the Sharks as a team will do to the Stormers...it's going to be a blinder.


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