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mozart

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Provincial wont die.
February 04, 2013, 04:06:02

My apologies to all, I thought I'd put this to bed by agreeing to disagree with the Fat Man....but Dumpy Dave just wont let go. So in an attempt to provide closure and remove this extraneous item, here we have an extract from a  study by the UK University of Loughborough, Geography Department:

 

"It can be interpreted as the spearhead of a raft of increasingly connected English provincial cities with Newcastle , Liverpool and Southampton also particularly prominent but also including what are often considered the three major English provincial cities, Birmingham , Leeds and Manchester as well"

 

The full study can be found at http://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/rb/rb203.html

 Provincial isn't a term of use in England.....my foot!

 

Evidence has now been produced from the Oxford Dictionary, literature, the legal world  and  now the Geography Department of a UK University. You would think a Geography department would know the nature of the cities in the land.  They call them provincial cities.

 

On the other side we have  Dumpy Dave and his  ever loyal "henchgirl" Becs, following the hilarious logic that a country without provinces can't have "provincial" cities. That English the most non literal of languages can't have a word with a non literal interpretation.

 

Well The GeographyDepartment  at Loughborough has joined hands with Oscar Wilde and used the word "provincial" to describe English cities.Game over.


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 17:34:33

Dumpy Dave I'm putting this back on top, so you wont have the excuse that you haven't seen it....you uneducated turd.


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February 04, 2013, 17:47:22

KKK get this into your stupid head, no-one in England refers to major cities like Leeds as a provincial city, for it is the third largest city in the UK and therefore a major city.

 

Just like England is not divided into provinces, but is divided into counties you ignorant twat.

 

I'm guessing the idiot from Loughborough wrote that in 1652?

 

Provincial is not a widely used term in England - FACT - you only need to ask the people that live here.

 

Google major cities in England and you will finds hundreds of listings, try the same with provincial cities in England and see where you get you thick plank


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 18:09:34

Not widely used amongst you and your provincial set. But used in London, used in literature and used in academia....and even used in legal journals. So when I said you had gone back to a provincial back water, you should have had no problem with the statement and the content.


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February 04, 2013, 18:20:30

Bull[removed] you ignorant twat, it is not used widely by people on the street at all be it in London or Clacton as we should know given we live here. We dont need some pompous old windbag telling us what terms are or are not used in the country we live in. Does your arrogance have no boundaries?

 

The term may be used in literature on very rare occasions by the odd fool, it is not used widely in London, academia or in everyday exchanges - why would it be used as it has no application.

 

No-one speaks of provincial cities or towns for that matter - why would they we speak of cities, towns, villlages and counties - FACT

 

If i mentioned that I was going to visit the provincial city of Leeds on the weekend to friends or colleagues, they would think I was a complete idiot


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 18:27:23

Whoops......and this from JK Rowling......nothing more England today than Harry Potter hey?

The Casual Vacancy
J.K. Rowling
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She’s back. J.K. Rowling’s new novel, The Casual Vacancy, has finally been published but Harry Potter and Hogwarts are nowhere to be seen. Rowling’s first novel for adults takes on the intricacies of English provincial life.

Pagford is the quintessential English small town with a cobbled market square and historic abbey, but life is anything but peaceful behind the hanging baskets and manicured lawns. An empty seat appears on the town council when Barry Fairweather dies unexpectedly and the subsequent election sparks conflict and turmoil (although there probably isn’t a full-scale battle involving deadly spells). Rowling has promised her devoted readers a novel of black comedy. Will she deliver without the magic of wizardry?

English provincial life has been a rich theme for writers over the centuries and Rowling comes from just such a background, having been born in Yate in Gloucestershire and growing up in the villages of Winterbourne and Tutshill.

Thomas Hardy is probably the finest purveyor of English provincial strife (although Anthony Trollope fans may disagree) but Dorset’s famous son doesn’t offer many laughs. Tom Sharpe does on the other hand – his 1975 novel, Blott on the Landscape, remains an excellent satire on Englishness away from the big city.

 

 

Dear oh dear.....your set wouldn't know what provincial met.....well I guess they don't read at all. Do you just grunt at each other?


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February 04, 2013, 18:38:23

Ah yeah good one, I trust we also have dragons and quidage is the new national sport - Harry Potter as a reference bwhaaahaaaaa


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 18:56:03

I assume you mean quidditch? Well we can be sure with all that blubber, you'd never get off the ground to get the golden snitch, hey?

 

But no,  it's not about Harry potter.....it's about the runaway best selling contemporary author writing about provincial life. I guess nobody told her it wasn't a term in current usage.


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February 04, 2013, 19:13:16

Ah good one Moffie and I take it the Harry and his adventures were set in modern day times - dragons and all?

 

Provincial my arse


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 20:06:43

Moron....it's about her new contemporary book set in provincial England. Nothing to do with Harry Potter. The best selling author in the world is writing about the thing you claim doesn't exist. Your ignorance is colossal!


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February 04, 2013, 21:19:50

No Mozart, your arrogance and ignorance completely define you, even to the point of continually making a total fool of yourself.

THERE ARE ARTIFICIAL POLITICAL CONSTRUCTS CALLED REGIONS , WHICH WERE IMPOSED BY THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT 6 YEARS AGO UNDER ORDER FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION. THEY ARE NOT HISTORICAL NOR ACTUAL, THEY ARE ARTIFICIAL.

ENGLAND HAS COUNTIES AND SHIRES, MOST DATING BACK TO THE 11TH CENTURY, SOMETHING YOU MIGHT FIND HARD TO GRASP GIVEN YOU LIVE IN THE ARTIFICIAL LAND KNOWN AS AMERICA.

JK ROWLING IS A SCOTTISH LABOURITE, ENOUGH SAID.

 


mozart

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February 04, 2013, 22:13:11

So, because she is Scottish , Rowling has less of a grasp than you? What a silly person you are.


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February 04, 2013, 23:05:44

Well Moffie for a start that is an article by some twit on JK Rowling's new book its not JK herself now is it? Are you saying that she mentions provincial life in her book - chances are she is not that stupid.

 

But this is not the issue, the issue is whether the word 'provicial' is widely used on the streets in England today or whether cities like Leeds are referred to as provicial cities - the answer to both is a big fat NO - but you are too arrogant to accept that.

 

Here we have some twat living in the US and SA telling us that the English use the term 'provincial' widely - who the [removed] do you think you are? As I have said, your arrogance, ignorance and stupidity has no boundaries.


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February 04, 2013, 23:35:58

Correction many twits as you put it comment on the provincial themes of Rowlings novel. Here is the critic at the Telegraph, somebody with, dare I say it , a better grasp of English than you:

"This is sad, because it is in our provincial life that our great culture has flourished. And it is partly because of the decline of our provincial life that it has degenerated. The huge preponderance of London in the 21st century has certainly made our capital city one of the liveliest places in the world, but it has also drained the life and variety out of the rest of the country. In literature, as in politics, London runs everything, and doesn’t care much about anywhere else".


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February 04, 2013, 23:58:57

Moffie that is all of two twits and I dont care how well these twits grasp the English language - none of this points to the fact that the word 'provincial' is widely used in England.

 

The facts are that the word 'provincial' is not widely used on the streets of England - this is a FACT and therein lies the crunch. The odd bit of literature in the UK may use the word, but that stands for any word in the English language.

 

But you are stupid and arrogant enough to conclude from this that the word is widely used in conversation today - complete and utter rubbish.

 

It just defies comprehension that a man living in another country can bring himself to dicate to the inhabitants of England that a certain term is widely used. I am not sure 'wanker' does you justice


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February 05, 2013, 01:03:12

From the Guardian:

 

Tax rise at Heathrow and Gatwick 'will force flyers to use provincial airports'

Revenue report says that 50% duty increase would be enough to encourage people to switch from busier airports


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 01:04:33

From the Jewish community:

 

THE RISE OF PROVINCIAL JEWRY

Cecil Roth


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February 05, 2013, 01:08:10

From the hotel world:

 

Provincial Grand Lodges in England & Wales


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 01:10:29

In company names:

 

Associated Provincial Picture Houses v Wednesbury Corporation

 


Saffex

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February 05, 2013, 01:23:21

Moffie you could come up with 100 examples of the use of the word 'provincial' in the written form, that is not the issue you dimwit. Its about the use of the word on the street - no-one in England speaks of provincial towns, cities or airports - the term is not used in day to day conversations - FACT

 

Now imagine if we googled the word county towns, airports and the likes - get a grip and why not be a man and concede that you are making an utter fool of yourself.

Here is a challenge though, if you decide not to concede - provide me with 10 examples of company names and hotels in England with the word 'provincial' in them - go on big mouth


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 01:25:00

Provincialism in Germany, which also doesn't have provinces....is it sinking in that provincial is a commentary on attitudes and not government divisions?

Despite the global hype, Berlin can still be a provincial place – especially in higher education. Which is why one of the city's universities should switch to English in order to attract the skilled workers Germany so desperately needs, argues Tagesspiegel.de editor Markus Hesselmann.


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February 05, 2013, 01:28:05

Moffie we are long past establishing the meaning of the word, just man up and concede you are making a provincial twat of yourself


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 01:36:48

An English television producer....he has to be speaking to the masses:

 

"A couple of years ago I made a television series called Happy Hour in which I travelled the globe, supposedly to 'investigate cultural attitudes to alcohol'. The show was for Sky One so basically it was an excuse for a lot of drinking and drink-related exploits. Despite visiting countries like Russia where they seem genetically disposed to drink, I didn't find anywhere that remotely compared to the very British disposition of mixing drinking and fighting.

Having spent the past year or so travelling to some of the globe's less salubrious places for my book, I am now touring the country showing my holiday snaps and talking about my experiences. After every event, I have a question and answer session. Every time, I am asked: "Where have you been most frightened?" My answer is always taken as a joke and never fails to raise a laugh. I tell them that, despite having been to Iran, North Korea, Lebanon, Chernobyl, Syria, the place where I feel most threatened is any provincial British town after 9pm.

Even the most innocuous will produce gangs of drunken men staggering around looking for a fight in between urinating on every available piece of street furniture. When asked this question – whether in Leeds, Nottingham, Manchester, Brighton or Bristol – I have gone further and suggested the walk back to my hotel after the talk will be more nerve-racking than wandering around Tehran or sight-seeing in Pyongyang"

 

The proof is overwhelming ......provincial is in broad use in all the forms of mass communication.


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February 05, 2013, 02:03:40

Keep searching Moffie, you really are a card and more than anything an arrogant insult.

 

There is nothing more insulting than some arrogant, pompous foreigner telling the English that a certain term is widely used when the English themselves tell you otherwise - as I said, wanker is too polite


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 02:29:05

Dave you calling yourself an Englishman is really funny. You are a small, fat, smelly guy from Grahamstown.


Saffex

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February 05, 2013, 02:31:42

Nope KKK, I was referring to Becs. I am a South African as you are - sadly in your case


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 02:49:45

Dumpy Dave.....you are neither. South Africans tend to be very honest and English blokes have a veneer of sophistication.


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February 05, 2013, 08:42:31

 I am fully persuaded that the word provincial is widely used and widely understood in the UK. The whole problem here is that ou snapster is speaking on behalf of his constituency the street who he imagines is as ingnorant as himself!  All one can see is two eyes peeping through the egg and Lady Becs trying to wipe it all away!   ROTFL  ROTFL ROTFL


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February 05, 2013, 12:32:38

Wow KKK then I was obviously wrong about you being a South African then - would s[removed] of the earth better suite?

 

Beenkop, my guess is you are too stupid to even know that a country like England exists. Great second sentence there, I can see that CA shining through - one certainty is that there is no way in hell a thick [removed] like you is a CA - you are just a liar


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 16:11:57

Yep the Guardian , the Telegraph and the world's best selling author writing about provincial stuff.....and the word doesn't exist? The very fact that we are having this interchange tells you about Fattus' monumental ignorance.


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February 05, 2013, 17:17:40

Moffie try catch a wake up, there will be the odd use of the word in the written form, I never questioned that. But your arrogance and stupidity told us that the word is widely used - therein lies your problem for you are speaking [removed].

 

The word is very seldom used in the written form, for it is not applicable to England, for we live in counties with cities, towns and villages. So for this very reason the word is not used in the spoken form but you are too much of an arrogant twat to concede this fact.

 

But hey I am more than happy to keep reminding you of your arrogance and stupidity - the fact that it does not register with you that you are making a complete fool of yourself dictating to English people what terms are widely used or not, speaks volumes for your character - you really are beyond reproach and you want people to believe you are not a racist when you have the audacity and arrogance to dictate to locals as you do.

 

Its bad enough you telling the world that Fourie was a poor player but to tell the English that the word 'provicial' is widely used is really the last straw - your arrogance has no boundaries - thick as pig[removed] springs to mind.


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 17:27:23

Dave try to catch a wake up.....man what a boring phrase....I did use it as a written word. And it was exactly in the context that the Litigation Journal and the Guardian used it....about provincial towns. And they even gave you examples like Leeds. This is not me, it's one of England's largest newspapers.

 

The fact is you and becs are country bumpkins, who probably don't even read anything but the sports section. I could use the word provincial with any English executive, any real lawyer, any person from the arts and any serious politician and they'd immediately know what I was talking about. You not so much.

 

And by the way, you keep saying "provicial" instead of provincial....maybe that's your problem


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February 05, 2013, 17:33:51

The word 'provincial' is not widely used at all, sometimes in the written form, hardly ever in the spoken form - for the simple reason it is not applicable, just like Leeds is not a provicial city, it is a major city - FACT


mozart

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February 05, 2013, 20:42:56

Forgive me if I laugh at your "Facts" and stick with the Guardian. In any case country bumpkin, believe what you must to prevent to protect your vulnerable ego. Every educated person is with me.


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February 05, 2013, 23:10:28

It would not take an educated man to conclude what an ignorant fool you are. Only a complete wanker would declare to the inhabitants of a country that a particular term is widely used there when those that live there know otherwise.

 

You have to be the most arrogant or stupid twat alive - take your pick


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February 05, 2013, 23:51:18

Tell that to the:

 

Dorset Provincial Museum
The Dorset Provincial Reference Library is housed in the Provincial Museum

 

Or Jonathan Reinarz  who got a grant to research provincial education in 2003 and wrote "Towards a History of Medical Education in Provincial England"

 

You are in pig headed denial Fattus


Saffex

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February 06, 2013, 00:01:00

Moffie you keep digging that hole


mozart

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February 06, 2013, 00:14:31

No I'm just quoting....this time the Watford Observer:

 

Leighton Buzzard, Dunstable and Tring. Three small provincial towns positioned below the Chilterns, along with diverse villages forming a triangle straddling three county-boundaries: Bucks, Beds and Herts. Hardly the setting for major crime, so you might think. Yet here, in the summer of 1984, terrified residents formed vigilante groups and barred their windows after a series of armed burglaries, rape and indecent assault by the lone invader who became known as the Fox.


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February 06, 2013, 01:37:07

Keep them coming see if you can find 50 written references to 'provincial' - the word is used on vary rare occasions as you have no doubt found while spending so much time searching. The point is, the term is not used widely in conversation as England is made up of counties, with cities, towns and villages - why would people speak of provincial towns when we don't have provinces - this twit above speaks of provincial towns and county boundaries in the same sentence - how misinformed the poor buggar is.

 

But keep searching Moffie, I reckon you have found 10 todate, just another 40 to go


mozart

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February 06, 2013, 04:01:34

No point Fattus, you can't grasp the simple Oxford dictionary entry....which clearly explains the use of the word:

 

  • 1of or concerning a province of a country or empire: provincial elections
  • 2of or concerning the regions outside the capital city of a country, especially when regarded as unsophisticated or narrow-minded: scenes of violence were reported in provincial towns the whole exhibition struck one as being very provincial

 

That from the most authoritative English dictionary. You keep harping on 1 where 2 is the obvious meaning I used, the Guardian used, the Telegraph used etc.  etc.

 

I have to conclude you and your henchgirl becs were simply unaware of 2. It seems incredible, but when all credible explanations have been exhausted, one is left with the incredible.


Saffex

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February 06, 2013, 23:45:35

Moffie so are you saying you have not been justifying 1 most of the time?

 

Regardless of the various meanings of the word, the point is, the English do not use the term as per 2 in everyday speech - for we live in counties and speak of cities, towns and villages. No-one speaks of provicial cities or towns - get it you thick [removed]?


mozart

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February 07, 2013, 01:09:15

No I have never brought  number 1 into the discussion, this is where you and henchgirl lost the plot.


Saffex

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February 07, 2013, 01:20:43

Nope we maintained that the term is not widely used in the spoken form - that's all I have maintained - but you keep telling us the opposite you thick plank


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