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Sharkbok

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The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 00:41:42

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47WS6qMtdsI

See how he runs straight with horse blinkers on, with no awareness where his support players are, and giving no players the option to support him.

Just before he gets tackled he allmost runs into one of his own players with his first half step. The player has to move out of his way. 

He then allmost runs into another one of his team members with another  poor step. A center must be a creator, not just a basher. 

The player has to move out of the way to avoid a possibale penalty for obstructive running. 

It is crash ball mindless stuff. (He does not appear to playing center in this match, but it does illustrate that he is a classic crashball style of center.

Yes they have to be strong but that is assumed given the amount of time they spend in the gym and all the creatine they are eating etc.

Instead of finding a mistmatch that he can take advantage of, he finds one of the heaviest and strongest loose forwards to break him. 

It is just lucky that he never gave away a penalty as the referree thought Alberts was high given how badly Taute was broken

 

 


mozart

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 00:55:32

Far from being a penalty, that was one of the tackles of the season. I noticed the same tendencies with Taute at centre, a last second inside step regardless. He appears to be a formula player. Thankfully he has put his hat in the fullback ring, I just hope this isn't much ado about nothing.


Saffex

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 01:14:48

Shark the more I read you the more disappointed I get. I at one point thought you knew a bit about rugby, but your ignorance is clearly apparent.

 

What the hell has a centre step got to do with anything when Taute is clearly impeded by his own players before he could execute any kind of step. If anything, those support players should have shown more awareness and got themselves into better poistions to support Taute instead of impeding him.

 

Wake up man, your take like many others is just way off the mark.

 

I look forward to a few more, for you really are easy pickings.


Shezza

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 02:46:46

 Taute is not a centre. He needs time to think about where he attacks and the fullbacks attacking position provides that, it allows him to analyse the game from the back and pick weak spots to run into. Also he isn't as fast (acceleration wise) as preferrable options at 13 (Jordaan). He has the needed size of a fullback in Rugby nowadays which requires a more physical approach than the 13.


Saffex

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 02:57:15

Kak chez, as Mitchell said, Taute is a good fullback, but would make a great centre - this is spot on


Shezza

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 03:01:40

 And look where Mitchell is now? Failed at the Lions and failed at Sale. 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 03:17:44

@shezza,

errrr, when did the lions last win the CC before mitchel???

to the best of my knowledge, the CC win in 2011 is the best thing theyve done in a long long time and that was under mitchel

 

and how exactly did he fail at the sharks??? cos the only news released so far is that he left after a month for personal reasons which the owners of the sharks knew of and completely understood.

do u know any news other than this to the contrary???

each to their own, but i wouldnt say thats a fail on both counts, :o)


Shezza

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 03:28:31

 I take what I said back but I wouldn't regard him as the best coach, maybe an average one but no more. I wouldn't take his opinion on back line players and play as evident with mistakes in the Lions and such.


clevermike

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 07:09:48

Sharkbok

Saffex has been onto Taute at center since he played for the Under 20's at WC level.   However, since that episode he played at full back from 2010 up to Aptil 2012 - whereafter he played six full games at center (3 for the Lions and 3 for the Springboks.

Despite the incident referred to by you - Taute had a very good record as a full back. as is evidenced by th number of points scored on CC and Super 15 levels (109) .   To illustrrate this point further during the same period Kirchner played more or less a similar number of games as Taute - but his point tally was only 71.   Taute during that period scored more points at full back than any other SA full back.

Saffex must be one of a very few people that cannot see that Taute needs time to plan his game - time he cannot get at center.  He rates Taute highly as a center - but the player was in fact not suited to that position and Saffex's rating is a skyscraper without any foundation.   Incidentally Saffex insist on him playing at center - because then he would not compete for the full back position against Lambie - who Saffex insist as having him playing at 15 - that being the core reason.

Now to summarize - Taute is not a center - it may be because he never played in that position for two years and lacks experience - but he still does not possess the characterisitics required form a center.  Meyer, Coetzee realized and the player himself said that he has to play at fullback.

Saffex ignores that and say it is dimwitted.   He normally use two statements to support his ideas about Taute and Pietersen as centers.    Both coaches were indeed very complimnentary about the two players and said they believe they would be top class in that position.   Saffex does not realize that it really was Motivation given at press conferences - where the coaches had to justify their selection to position other than they normally played in..  Under the circumstances I would not built castles in the sky based on the coaches' comments, 

In both cases the change position experiment did not work.   Plumtree moved Pietersen back to wing and brought Jordaan into the team.   Before the Reds game Plumtree in speaking to the press was extremely complementary about Jordaan and Du Toit and implied that the Sharks had  by then a better team than in they had in the preceeding three years.    No more Pietersen at 13 - where he did not really deliver much at all.    In the Taute case Meyer recognized the same after 3 tests and rather than using Taute in the Scotland and England tests, he used the dismal De Jongh at 13.    The writing was on the wall - but Saffex refused to recognise it and will for the next two years insist on Taute playing at center.   I say two years - it may be shorter.   Just wait till another Under 20 center pops up and in Saffex's book Taute will be history. 

 

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 14:06:08

Mike I'll keep it simple....Goosen at 10, Taute at 13 and Lambie at 15.............its called utilizing the talent you have at your disposal, if you dont get that, I suggest you chuck in the towel


Lucid

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 15:03:00

The link clearly justified why exactly Taute should remain at fullback permanently, the option for Taute to make a transition to centre was not a success for the reason being he does not have the physicality strength aspect which is required at centre, he would totally get demolished against the higher class centres. I have a slight sense that Taute would be rather average at fullback but i praise his mentality to attack at fullback, much more preferable than Joe Pietersen. Aplon would be a more effective at fullback for the Stormers than both, he has a great step and not a bad kicker from what i've seen.


clevermike

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 15:49:22

Lucid

I am with you on this ove.  Taute should never have been tried out at center - the experiment failed and the problem is it fdamaged his career prospects.   Saffex can see nothing wrong in Taute's play at center - evryone else is wrong, he is right.

I wrote about Aplon under another thread already. 


Saffex

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 16:11:18

Well you would have to be a complete idiot to raise the lack of physicality as an issue with Taute.......I have read some crap in my time but this takes the cake. Taute at 100kg lacks physicality - good one!!!!!!


clevermike

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 17:30:54

Saffex

I agree = lets keep it simple.   With Francois Steyn ambling along at half pace and Taute not really showing the required skills at center - you can be sure of one thing - the backline wiill be dead as a doornail again in 2013.


mozart

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 17:31:55

Well he could weigh 100kgs and not be very strong. Things things are best judged by example.....and you have to admit Alberts absolutely smeared him in that tackle.


Saffex

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RE: The Step of Jaco Taute- This is not a center...
January 30, 2013, 21:27:14

Alberts has 20kg on Taute and absolutely smashed him


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