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clevermike

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History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 09:16:59

Under one of the threads Hakwa posted a pic of Bill Clinton about his affairs while President.    Let me be more explicit on that one.   The Republicans made a big song an dance about it - but I think it was really silly -  since it was a real reflection about the history of powerful men and women through many centuries - and we all know that history repeats itself.

There is in fact no stronger aphrodasiac that power - it attracts people like nothing else - but it always had a major impact on wars and other undesriable elements.   Lets get some examples from history:-

*   Helen of Troy - the face that moved a thousand ships

*   Anthony and Cleopatra

The Seven Year War during the 18 th century between Prussia, Austria and Russia resulted from a major insult by Frederick the Great of Prussia when he said that the Empresses Catherine the Great of Rusia  and Maria Theresa of Austria were [removed]s.   Not really complimentary was it - true in all respects of Catherine - but defnitely not of Maria Theresa.   Maria Theresa had 16 children - but no affairs at all since she was like [removed] as per Mozart - she was 5'1" tall and when she died she weighed 120 kgs.   Nobody - but her husband would take on such a vast undertaking.

However, Catherine the Great was really something else.   She had her husband murdered by generals she had affairs with and indications are that her son the later Tsar Paul  - who succeeded her - was in fact the result of her affair with General Potemkin.  Be it is it may - once she was Empress she really did her thing - she would line up the soldiers of her Guards in front of her bedroom and let them in one after another.   If they failed to perform they would be sent to Siberia.   Easy to dispose of resultant babies as well - they would be sent to America with nannies and some prominent American  families have royal Russian ancestry.

The most famous philanderer of the 16th and 17th centuries were Henry IV of France - he was the leader of the Huguenots prior to becoming King of France and is specially cherished in SA History as a model king.   He was known in France as Henry the Great - but that was partly due to his prowess in bed.   He admitted that he was the father of 252 children with 49 mistresses - the first child being borne when he was 14 years of age.   That after he had no children with his first wife - Margueriette of France - and he had to divorce her and marry a Medici princess to have legitimate children.   His grandson was Charles II of England - who tried desperately to   emulate his granfather's escapades - but could not really manage the vast success levels of his grandfather - but though he also had no children with his wife Catherine - there is quite a number of noble descendants around.  

Now lets get to some more modern examples in the political sphere.   When a new lady hit the social scene in Paris about 20 years ago - there was vast interest amongst the politicos in her.   That lasted until they were informed that she was alredy a mistress of Jacques Chirac.   He was the scoundrel that was with his misstress the night Princess Diana lost he life in a motor vehicle accident.  The French Police tried to inform him of the situation - but he was missing.   His wife knew where he was - but did not tell even the Police.

Then there was the classic remark of the Prince of Wales (Charles) that he does not want to be known in history as the first Prince of Wales that did not have affairs with mistresses.  One of those were Camilla and looking at her he must have been desperate.   

After this fine history lesson - lets get back to RUGBY.   There is no doubt that top rugby players and other famous sportsmen are really classified as Powerful Men.  The latest catch was McCaw - but the youngsters also have to watch out constantly - not to get caught.   Etzebeth has to run for cover to stay out of the scandal sheets and has been quite successful in that.   Le Clos's father realized that he could not fight fire - and he capitulated early.   Beckham was in serious trouble at one stage and had to run for cover.   The list is virtually endless and the danger of distraction from performance is evident.  Dan Carter loves Cape Town - probably because of the cir[removed]stances  similar to the one described in the next paragraph.  

I can remember a famous rugby case that happened in the late 1960's.   A French rugby side came to SA and on a Tuesday had to play a combined team of WP, Boland and SWD.  On the Sunday before they collected all the most glamourous ladies of the night in Cape Town and send them into the hotel where the French was staying.   By Tuesday the players were finished and they could not do anything like playing rugby - they lost by over 30 points.  Problem was that in the first Test afterwards the same team gave the Springboks some real problems.

And then the All Blacks claim there was SUZIE - but nobody really think she was around.

The moral of the story is - don't over-indulge - it can lead to serious career and perfomance problems.  After all history repeats itself - there has been nothing new for thousands of years and what happens today already happened previously.

And we can get Carter to be the future Backline coach of the Springboks!!!!!!!!    


Beeno1

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 09:30:29

Thanks Mike that finally explains my problem with women!!!! We will have to make you the board chronicler of saucy events.

I am afraid though using women to distract the abs will only work in limited cases.  


bluebok

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 09:36:13

Damn Mike, you have too much time on your hands! I think it is pretty common for most pro sportsmen to "indulge" themselves. I very much don't like it, but as you said, people are atracted to other people in positions of power or prominence. I suspect you have wasted your time writing all this, because for every famous person that has fallen from grace because of indulging in "[removed]y time - Borat" there is one that has succeeded while doing the same. So I therefore conclude that it makes no difference to anything.


clevermike

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 11:10:58

Beeno

Why not with the All Blacks - I think it can work (LOL.   )McCaw is now at last  making a go at it - is that a sign that he took years to mature(?) and Carter may just be drawn to SA as a coach - because of the fair Cape!!!!  And then they say that SA has an extremely high percentage of beautiful woman - so what is your problem?

I do think that some strict measures apply nowadays and the team management make sure that there is no philandering before matches - but full-blooded males not involved in the drinking area - always find a way to get past those.

I can remember a real case - I was going to stay over in Kimberley to see WP playing the Griquas and stayed in the same hotel as the WP team.   The night before the game nothing - but after the game there was a wholesale invasion of the hotel by young ladies.   The next morning on the way to breakfast I walked past a few cleaning ladies and they stood looking at an object lieing before the door of one of the WP team players rooms.   It was a panty - so who was the lucky guy??????? 

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 11:14:14

Mike I hesitate to bring this up again but some of them havent come out of the closet so to speak. You surely remember the posts made to that effect.

Dont shoot the messenger.

 

 


carpetmuncher

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 14:37:52

great post mike

 

its well known that carter loves the attention of mavericks ext. as there is a majority of the rugby obessed women in SA that have very questionable morals when it comes to rugby players and generally they engaged in very explicit "things" hahaha

 

i also recall one incident when a the stormers where on a flight that a woman approached the team management stating that her biggest fantasy was to be with the whole team on the plane.

 

i also heard of a story of a incident whereby one or 2 sharks players slept with then at the time was very well known ref from NZ's fiancee as well. the lists goes on and on and on. its not like these women that offer themselves to the rugby players are bad looking but they are just obsessed of being with celebs. they dont know that the rugby players have been around the block more than a few times.

 

it takes the term attention whoring to a whole other level :P


sasuke uchiha

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 23:15:03

@clevermike,


"Under one of the threads Hakwa posted a pic of Bill Clinton about his affairs while President.    Let me be more explicit on that one.   The Republicans made a big song an dance about it - but I think it was really sill,,,"

 

the republicans made a huge song and dance about it because of the fact that clinton is a democrat, the age old battle between the two political groups in the US is as old as it is boring and its their citizens who are suffering as a result.

 

errr as for suzie, didntmandelas bodyguard claim that she was around??? know one knows the truth, but id find it odd that jeff wilson ran of the field to throw up during the game and osbourne spent most of the training run on the toilet, but hey its all in the past now and the Boks were the deserved winners end of story.

 

i can remember one comment from and old All Black who was commentating on a game back in the late 90s, and when a picture of asome NZ chicks were on TV, he said that the Bok that toured in 65 were very fond of the kiwi woman and a lot of them were in more trouble when they got home with the missus, then they were playing against the ABs, LMAO, :oP

famous people always get the chicks, when folau was playing for the storm in the NRL, he was 18 and i saw him at a club making out with a real hot blonde chick while he had another hot blonde in his arm.
all his comments about his commitment to his mormon faith always made me laugh, but i couldnt blame him, 18 yrs old and an instant superstar overnight, we are human after all.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 25, 2013, 23:19:37

@ben10,

oh BTW ben10,i know that the education u received has been of the poorest quality around, ur posts are testmant to that, so heres a freindly heads up. that lump in those womans throats that have been giving u problems is called an adams apple, ill let u google what that is and see how long it takes to for u to figure out the rest, :oP


clevermike

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 26, 2013, 03:12:31

Sasue

Although what I wrote in my comments above - is basically a true refletion of European history, I through in some barbs about rugby that really got what I set out to achieve.   I think the Suzie issue was a nasty one at that - but really had nothing to do with the topic  - ie [removed] in the political and sports scenatio.  

Incidentally - talking about it I came across another historical gem recently.   Fleming apparently based his James Bond character on Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands - the husband of Queen Juliana.  Bernhard was a close friend of Fleming and worked with him in the defence structures in London during World War 2.  There are various characteristics of Bernhard that influenced Fleming insofar as his description of the Bond character is concerned.   The way he likes his drinks - the fact that he was a speed freak, he was a pilot and had a string of mistresses and illegitimate children - all indicated the influence of Bernhard insofar as the James Bond description is concerned.   Bernhard was in a way a real scoundrel - but he had a major impact in forming the World Wildlife Federation together with the SA Billionaire Anton Rupert.   He as father of the present Queen Beatrix  was very popular in the Netherlands - despite his invomeent in the so-called Lockheed bribe scandal of the later 1970's.

However, Beeno was up to his normal biased and fundamentally flawed stirring again and Mozart and [removed] ignored my veiled  refernece to their recent standard bun fights.

Maybe in writing what i did - there is some jealousy on my part.   Why should the players gets all the money and the also the cherry on top - while we miss out on such benefits?   LOL 

       


sasuke uchiha

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 26, 2013, 15:07:19

@mikey,

im a big fan of the 007 series, my olds use to have them all and i really got into them. a very close friend of mine in NZ who was studying film and media studies showed me a transcript of a radio interview with ian flemming talking about his bond books.
in it he said there was many sources of inspiration for his bond character, in terms of appearnce he should look like a cross between american musician hoagy carmicheal and himself, LMAO, :oP i found him wanting a likeness similar to himself comical for some reason.
as for the agent side of things, he based that on numerous british naval officers he met during his time as a naval intelligence officier.

i didnt really read anything on his womanising based on prince bernhard, but i never gave it too much thought. i naturally assumed it was cos if he based the likness on himself, he seen himself as quite a hit with the ladies, so why not exaggerate that in his book, lolz..

also flemming was a heavy drinker and smoker, i think that might have been a big part of the bond character, but the UK folks are all fond of their drinks, so that might be considered the norm, lolz,

 

not really uncommon for most people of any stature to have woman, magic johnso claims he must have slept with at least 1000 woman, but he lost count, LMAO,,,,lost protection is more like it, :oP
when lebron james was being wooed by some colleges, before he decided to go straight to the NBA, he was saying every college he visited had a minimum 2 or 3 hot cheer leaders ready to do what ever he asked, james wasnt even 18, o_O

maybe it even goes back to the gladiator days, where the best of th best would literally be tossed woman to do with as they wish,,,,jeebers its good to live in more civilised times, just wanted to say that, even if i am getting of topic, :oP


clevermike

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 26, 2013, 15:42:11

Sasue

I don't think that Fleming would have openly said that he used Prince Bernhard as a "model" since by the time he wrote the Books - Queen Juliana was already on the throne in the Netherlands and it would have been a massive problem diplomatically for England if he did make such a statement.   Remember - whatever is said about the Brits and their Royal Family - they remain loyal to them and the Royal family  sticks like glue together with their European family memberrs -  and all the royals are in some way or another related to each other.  

Queen Elizabeth is closely related to many Germans - her ancestry was in the main German - and I can remember a cartoon on a visit of hers to Germany which shows her inspecting a guard of honour  and greeting the soldiers by giving them a handshake and saying :   "Hello cousin Ludwig  - Hallo cousin Friedrich - Hallo cousin Wilhelm - Hello cousin Ernst".   The same family ties system applies to the [removed].

And Prince Phillip also had mistresses.   A friend of mine told me that she was in a club in England - where a lady she knew from Durban was as well.   Phillip came in and asked the barman for a drink finished it and then walked out.  After about five minutes the Durban lady got up and left.   My friend was then told that that was the method the two used to arrange a "meeting".

But lets forget about the royals and think more of the rugby players and their fringe benefits.

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: History of the World - something different from Rugby
January 26, 2013, 17:48:53

LMAO, fringe benefits, :oP

there was an episode here in OZ on 20/20 or 60minutes, it was about a particular group of girls who would scour the night and target league and aussie rules players who are world famous in australia. the sole purpose was to hook up with them.

 

cant be easy for players to have such temptations thrown at their feet, even those devout to their faith and to their wives have got to find fighting those urges hard.

most teams these days are very professional about it and have a zero tollerance no girls allowed policy mainly to avoid incidents like the one which happened to the NZ hooker in the u20s tournament in SA.
lote tiquiri was also fired by the ARU for breaching this policy and i remember when tiquiri was releasing a press statement with his wife beside him about him being fired, neither the ARU or tiquiri was saying why he had been let go, but i do remember tiquiris wife looking really pisssed off with everything and the first thought to pop in my head was tiquiri was busted with a chick. weeks later i had my suspicions confirmed.
 


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