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Beeno1

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Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 24, 2013, 16:17:25

Ex Supersport

Vodacom Bulls captain Pierre Spies is always up for a challenge, and has set his sights on regaining his Springbok starting place now that he is fit and ready for action again.

There is no doubt that 2012 was not the year that Spies hoped it would be. Thrust with the responsibility of leading the Bulls into battle in the Vodacom Super Rugby tournament, he managed to steer them into the playoffs, but most would argue his form suffered as a result.

A few lacklustre tests and a broken thumb later, and the rest of the year was spent recovering from an operation, and time to reflect and realise just what he was missing while being injured.

Anyone who knows the bold Bulls No 8 will know it’s not the type of thing that he will simply accept.

Now, just weeks ahead of the start of the 2013 season, Spies looks fitter, stronger and more determined than ever. (Those looks  been deceptive in the past)

He will assume the leadership mantle again, knowing that this year the Bulls have few excuses left to use. (After reaching the playoffs in a rebuild year what excuses is this guy on about)

If 2012 was the question-mark over their abilities after losing so many Boks, 2013 will have to be the year where they move forward or stagnate; where they accept the changes in the game, or where they will continue to slog forward and hope their execution trumps the playing style of their opposition.

“It’s true,” Spies told supersport.com when faced with this scenario, “everyone is a year older now and we have a lot more experience. We know each other better and we’re in a good space at the moment as a team.

Last year was a difficult year for everyone, but we’ve had a good break and have returned more mature. We’re really looking forward to the battles that await us.”

Spies knows his personal form is under scrutiny, and knows he has to up his game if he wants to convince coach Heyneke Meyer he deserves a starting spot with the Boks once again.

“I learnt a lot last year as captain. There is a lot of support in the team to make my job easier and it will be that way this year as well,” Spies adds.

“But competition is always good. My injury came at the right time and it gave me a lot more perspective, as well as a decent rest. It allowed me to recharge, to find a renewed focus and vision for the year ahead.

It reminded me how much I want to play for the Springboks again. You always have to prove yourself, whether it is to the public, the coach or to yourself. I know I owe myself a good season and I’m looking forward to the challenge.

Spies is excited at some of the talent at the Bulls, especially the likes of Arno Botha, Jan Serfontein and Handre Pollard, all who are expected to fulfill their potential in Pretoria.

“You have to have a good squad in this competition, and we have a lot of depth this year which we will use.”

One thing that Spies smiles about, and is rather coy about, is whether the Bulls will play a different game plan or keep with their current aerial assault.

I think it will be a new year with new energy,” Spies smiles, “It will be a lot of the same, with a few changes here and there.”

If that isn’t clear enough, then what is?

To me an option is to have Spies as an impact player for the Boks. Let the hard guys like Louw, Vermuelen, Alberts and Burger hammer the opposition and allow Spies to play the running game in the closing 20 minutes? 

Bulle should make top six and then they can proceed from there.


ntanga

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 24, 2013, 23:34:11

Spies isn't doin' it for me.  He's got the right physical built and the height that resembles that of the 8th man, but he really struggles on the international level.  He lacks bite and impact that's required on the test level.

 

I think Vermuelen did a great job last season, and I can't recall seeing him slacking once on the field.

  


clevermike

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 24, 2013, 23:40:09

Spies has one problem he plays for a maximum of 10 minutes in any given game - and in those 10 minutes he really is a showpony extraordinaire.   For he rest he is largely invisible.

He will have to start playing for full games before he even can be considered 


Sharkbok

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 00:29:55

 agreed on Vermuelen. Much better than Spies. Much higher work rate. Spies does not contribute at the rucks and he does not tackle much. Vermuelen is a machine. Spies is fasters but we do not see much of this anymore from him. The Spies of 2006/2007 was much better than our Spies of  Today. 

The comeptition is too tough for the boks at looseforward for someone that goes missing. 


mozart

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 01:17:04

Spies' reputation has always been totally based on a few big runs. Take that away and you have a guy who is decent at the back of the lineout.....but has poor hands, can't tackle and is a non show in the tough stuff. Too often he stands around without a sense of how to contribute.


Beeno1

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 11:10:35

Pierre Spies

Ex Planet Rugby Spies looking good at training.

Hope they have been busy stengthening his mind


clevermike

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 11:13:20

Beeno

Come now - built like Tarzan and play like Jane.   His mind????  Has any Blue Bulls player that asset?


ntanga

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 13:41:30

I'm actually relieved every1 is on the same page with regards to Spies wanting his place back in the Green&Gold.   I was a big fan for Spies at some point, but he's been under-performing for too long.  There is no point fielding someone like Spies who looks like he's the real deal, but once on the field, he's easyly out-classed by average opposition players.

 

If Spies get selected for our test matches, it really means we are one player down; since his contribution is pretty much none-existent, I mean, the guy has no clue how to defend!

 

Well, never say never, but he really needs to work harder for his place, or otherwise he'll cost us a lot. 


carpetmuncher

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 13:52:54

i do not think with vermeulen and alberts in the mix that spies will ever hold the 8th man jumper as his own. that being said he is old meyers blue eyed boy and shocking player decisions is meyers bread and butter.

 

i still do not think he should be playing the pack. he for me is still great winger or even out side center material. that is just my own view he has speed and the size so for him to play winger must really be decent call. there he can use his speed and size to bust up and create open space very quickly. tough player to pull down. at 8tm man he lacks the mongrel mentallity has he is really a backline players playing out of his comfort zone


Beeno1

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 14:02:20

Spies  will have to really up his game but as muncher says he lacks mongrel and should really have remained a backline player -as i said to hoots of laughte fom the begining - we being blessed with numerous loosies but few big and really fast backs.

But who knws maybe we will see a different man.

Meyer will not pick Spies unless he improves. Only possible role is as an impact player. We shall see.

Now, now Mike lets not be too derogatory about the bulle who we are hoping will give a number of kiwi sides a solid snotklap.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 14:12:27

his dad was a majestic winger and i feel that he was a juggernaut when he was picked at wing for waterkloof ext even at junior level he played at winger and made a impact. his move to 8th man was meyers little pet project and after it all one has be fair and see that the experiment has failed as spies has not reached that level that i think he can reach.

 

your right beeno vermeulen has that jumper all to his own in my view


Beeno1

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 15:46:51

Muncher to be honest I think everyone was surprised with the way things panned out. I based my case on our needing some big fast wings to counter Sivivatu and Rococoko and the abundance of loose forwards we always have here.

Spies started impressively and was hailed as the next great number 8 in world rugby. Is it wrong to mark his decline from the time of his illness one wonders. 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 16:37:34

@ben10,

could u lease be more specific with that illness??? cos heres my theory on when his performance started to decline.

in 2009, the Boks had some mean players who were all in form, du preez, morne, spies & brussow to name but a few. there were plenty of others, but these four had the best season of their lives in 2009 IMO.
i can remember spies in particular having a very SBW like effect in the TriNats, always getting over the advantage line & had a tremendous amount of gas. i even remember thinking he could be an all time great like zinzan & delalliglio if kept that performace up.

then on the EOYT, he had that injury which not only screwed up the rest of his season, but he has playing like the man he is today, a very poor performer for the bulls/Boks.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 25, 2013, 16:41:05

im wondering what probulls activist meyer is going to do with him???

IMO spies days in the Boks jersey arent numbered by a long shot, in fact id be willing to bet that under meyer, he could very be the in[removed]bent 8 come the IRC..


clevermike

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 26, 2013, 03:23:12

Sasue

Spies has a blood clotting problem inherited from his father who died from the same problem.   He is under constant treatment for that - but I am not sure whether that treatment could affect his performances.  

In essence I agree with you about two things and those are that Spies's performances declined since 2009 and that Meyer might select him - not because he is performing well, but because of his Blue Bulls background.

 

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Spies determined to win Bok place back
January 26, 2013, 13:49:30

@mikey,

thanks for that info, but a bit sad for spies and i believe that those blood clots did play a role in his performance the last few years.

someone as ripped as him would need as much oxygen as his blood can pump, so i would imagine him to be on some serious blood thininng medication, which can hinder that process.

its a bit of a shame though, but hes a devout christain judging by most his interviews, so he will have a solid mental foundation to help get thorugh these tough times.

if he can reagin some of that form, then theres no doubt in my mind he could be one of the best loosies ever, but thats a tough ask by anyones standard.

vermeulen would get the nod ahead at the moment, but when spies was at his best, i havent seen anyone bar McCaw match that out of world performance.


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