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Beeno1

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Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 12:26:04

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He has known, useful utility value but fullback is the firm focus of Stormers loan signing for 2013 Jaco Taute.

The Springbok, who almost seems a stalwart of first-class rugby because he was playing at that level so young for the Lions (the team to which he is still contracted) only turns 22 in March, and if he gets pigeon-holed as a No 15 for the Cape outfit that suits him just fine. (Please note snapster)

I’ve trained fairly exclusively as fullback in early-season preparations and I must say I’m mad about it,” he confirmed at a media briefing at the squad’s training camp in Hermanus on Wednesday. (Please note snapster)

It is great to potentially be part of a back three that includes world-class players like Bryan (Habana) and Gio (Aplon) - give either of them half a chance and they’ll be over the try-line plenty of times. I hope it will be a very dangerous (combination).”

Certainly coach Allister Coetzee has made all the right noises, in terms of Taute’s wishes, by indicating that he will overwhelmingly be viewed as a compelling candidate for the last line of defence. (Please note snapster)

At 1.90m and 98kg, he offers a timely, perhaps necessary element of height to a Stormers wings-and-fullbacks division that has sometimes lacked that advantage. (If they play Van der heever, Habana an Taute these guys are all near 100 kg - its when you play Aplon and Pietersen together the back three are too small))

It’s felt like a very, very good shift for me so far. They’re a top team - it’s a big challenge for me, seeing as they’ve done so well over the last couple of years; this is not just a team you can walk into and expect to (get a starting berth). (Hooer Hoor - top team they are)

I see myself as an attacking player and I believe that will fit in with the brand of play expected at Newlands.” (As we saw in the Currie Cup)

Asked about his Springbok blooding in midfield last year, and how this might affect his further test aspirations considering his renewed desire to settle in the last line of defence, he replied diplomatically: “You will never try to dictate where you want to play if you have the honour of being chosen for the Springboks.

But I came down here primarily because I wanted to be seen as a fullback - I do consider it my first-choice position.” (Snapster are you gettiing a glimmer yet?)

How is the Springs-born player adapting to softer pitches and the ball not travelling as far through the air?

“Well, it’s been lovely having so much more oxygen here! Running is much easier; I’m not used to that.

Me and Elton (Jantjies) have already been working on our kicking, because it will be different circumstances; the wind and (slower pitches) ... but those are uncontrollables, and you just have to get used to them and adapt to them quickly.

“I’ve been loving the summer weather in Cape Town. It’s very different; I’ve been a Jo’burg boy my whole life but I’ve been really liking it - the people are very friendly and welcoming too. I haven’t been homesick. (I suppose everyone wishes they could live in Cape Town!)

“I’m studying at the same time - a B.Comm finance, entering third year - and living in Stellenbosch for the moment. You have to juggle your responsibilities, try to find time, but I’m aware that your rugby career may only last 10 years!”

Taute said he was fortunate not to be carrying any niggles from last season into 2013.

“No, I feel very fresh, after my shoulder op last year, at the end of Super Rugby. It helped to have a bit of a rest.

I’ve had a very good pre-season, I can’t wait to get on the field. Pre-season seems to be dragging out a bit now ...”

Well one issue at least is settled - Taute wants to play 15. But settled though it is one lone voice could object - dont count on snapster admitting it!


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 12:34:02

Yes he has said he wants to play 15 for the Stormers so that he can start, no-one has disputed that. He was not going to make the starting 15 at centre now was he. Not with Coetzee's blind faith in Jean and de Jongh at centre.

What Taute has never said is that he does not want to play centre as some have inferred. Taute will play wherever he is required. It made perfect sense that he talked up his preference for 15 given this is his only realistic chance of making the starting 15 - the lad is not stupid. He was hardly going to arrive in the Cape and say he only wants to play centre and end up playing the season off the bench - smart move by the lad.

As I keep saying, I would select him at 13, as I have Lambie at 15 with Goosen at 10 - simpler than that it cannot get

 


Beeno1

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 12:40:48

For the who snapster?  - you are almost there!


clevermike

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 12:43:59

Beeno

Thanks for putting this item on site.

What can one say - the guy said clearly "But I came down here primarily because I wanted to be seen as a fullback - I do consider it my first-choice position.”   He was diplomatic about playing in future as a center - but what was noticeable was that the answer was diplomatuc - and without any real enthusiasm.

This is what Taute always desired - I think the only reason why Taute ultimately decided to move to the Stormers was a promise by them that he could play at full back.   He obviously thought he could do better at full back than he could at center.    Taute earlier said he would enter into a contract with the Stormers when he is out of the present contract with the LIons at the end of 2013.   You can bet your bottom dollar - he would do so only if he plays at full back - not center.

My opinion of Taute as a person and as a player is rising all the time.   I see him as a future full back - one of the best to ever play for SA.  


clevermike

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:07:48

Saffex

You are 100% correct about Coetzee and his addiction to the poorest center in SA (De Jongh)  and De Villiers - so I accept that Taute may have been influenced by that idiocy.   However, it is far more likely that he did not like  it to be forced into playing at center - especially since he is a brilliant full back and a half-baked center - as is evidenced by the fact that over the last 2 years he played less than 10% of the games he played in at center and he had a brilliant point scoring record at full back and a zero record at center..

 


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:15:02

Well Mike the reason Taute played many games at 15 for the Lions is because they had no fullback and had many centres. He now finds himself in the same position at the Stormers and would have had he gone to the Sharks and Bulls.

What did Mitchell say about Taute - he is a great fullback but believed he would make a brilliant centre. Taute is good at both positions, the Stormers need him at fullback, the Boks need him at 13


Sharkbok

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:24:06

 Based on Tautes performance at center in 3 tests he may not even get a call up to the next Springbok squad in any position.

His lack of presense on the field and supporting stats- show him as the worst performing center (after dejong) the whole year. So the Springboks need him like having a hunch in their back.

Playing in his favoured position at fullback he may be able to get chosen at fullback for the boks if he performs well this year at 15. Like Taute says"I do consider it my first-choice position.”

 


clevermike

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:32:26

Saffex

Am not dso sure about the issue of bring a brilliant center - Michell used him only for 3 games at center - but since he had such limited opportunities to play there it is a hard call to either support or oppose that statement.  

All the statements made by Taute indicates to my mind that he wants for his own reasons and for his feeling about his effectiveness and performances thus far on provincial and franchise level  - really to concentrate at playing at full back.   He is very enthusiastic about that issue if what he says is analyzed properly.

However, we will see how he performs at full back this year.   I do not think he would get any playing opportunities at center - since the replacement centers will be De Allende and Howard.   I am seriously impressed by what I have seen on CC level insofar as De Allende is concerned - and I would like to see him play in that position - together with Howard at 13.

I would like to see how the following backline performs against all comers:-

 15    Taute

 Wings :  Habana and Van den Heever

Centers :  De Allende and Howard

 10     Swiel

  9     Groom.

Wih the ball sense wiz kid (Swiel) around - that backline could be the most potent one in Super 15 - especially in view of the formidable forward combination of the Stormers.. 


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:35:57

Crap Shark, his performances at 13 for the Boks against Oz and Ireland were good - FACT. Meyer said his performance against Ireland was his best. Taute was the best Bok 13 in 2012 - far better than Jean and de Jongh - FACT


Sharkbok

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 13:56:05

Saffex you do not know how to objectively establish facts about a players performance.  

You make decisions based on emotion so your analysis is not based on facts. I think that you see a new player and believe that you have identified his potential before anyone else, and this somehow bonds you with them.

If you selected a player who is young then they wil allways have a good performance even if they do not touch the ball. 

If the player eventually starts to play well, by that time you will have found a new young player to replace the has been.

This was a previous writeup of his performance. 

 

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 Tautes performance in 3 tests in his role as an outside center :

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1. Not score any tries

2. Not have any involvement in the tries scored. (no passes, not even a willing dummy runner)

3. No clean breaks

4. Only be able to beat one man, or half beat the be side tackled whilst another opposition team member assists with the tackle. 

5. Make little to no passes. 

6. Make the least amount of metres in total of the 3 games that he has played. 

7. Knocked on his best attacking oppertunity.

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8. Most missed tackles that led to tries. (woeful against the All Blacks). Contribued to the worse ever defensive effort against the All Blacks, and seemed to pull down everyone elses performance on positional play by not keeping his line.

9. The worst clearance kick that gifted the All Blacks their opening try. 

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apart from making a few tackles against the Irish he has been very weak. This previous post covers the topic in more detail of how Taute failed at center-

http://sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=3300&postid=28337&action=edit#28337


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 14:16:13

Shark please dont patronise me, for that tone deserves nothing more than a 'fuck off'

Your pathetic stats count for nothing as they provide no context. Taute WAS the best 13 that played for the Boks in 2012.

You also speak the biggest load of shit I have read in ages - that dropped ball, the first ball he received in that test match was anything but his best attacking opportunity........thar pathetic take sums up your pathetic prejudice against the bloke.

Taute had a great test against Oz, an average one against NZ and a good test against Ireland. He mirrored the performances of other test 13's out there who struggle to make the electrifying performances of years gone by when space was part of the game. Taute was good in traffic, much like Fourie was


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 15:26:41

 Nice analysis Sharkbok. Taute was unable to bring the defensive line up, and his tackling style was to plant on his heels......led to two NZ tries. As you rightly point out the poor clearance led to the third.

 

But perhaps he will be a decent fullback. I can't say I have ever seen a more definitive answer from a player as to where he wants to play....so at least he is committed. He will be playing with some decent backs at the Stormers, so he has every chance. But I can't say I'm convinced yet, one way or the other.


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 15:38:18

Wow we have Moffie talking about planting again - our resident authority on centres.

His portfolio on centres reads as follows:

Poor centres - Jaque Fourie, Frans Steyn and every young centre coming through

Good centres - Adi Jacobs,  Marius Joubert (today) and Meyer Bosman


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 15:44:02

Why would you bring up centres on a string about Taute....hehehe.


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 16:00:55

Last I checked he played his last match at 13


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 16:27:04

His last match at 13....good....then he can play his next at 15 as every smart rugby fan wants.


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 16:33:54

Yeah I can see the logic in that smartness. Let me guess you are another who wants to see Lambie wasted on the bench or should that be Goosen, for in your informed view you have Goosen down as mentally frail!!

Either way, in your little world, one of Lambie or Goosen will be wasted on the bench - but at least we can rest in the knowledge that Jean will part of your equation, lets add de Jongh for good measure


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 16:41:01

Fat Dave your three bright centre ideas for 2013.....Taute, JJ and Sadie all failed.  De Jongh who was never a main pick of mine, but I think is test competent, at least won the CC. Let's just say, I prefer my record.


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 17:05:02

Moffie the lies continue - Sadie never featured in 2012. How can JJ have failed, he never played 13 for the Boks and Taute was the best of our test 13's in 2012.

Who gives a toss about a CC win, its a team game


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 17:16:45

Amnesia again Fat Dave? At the start of 2012 S15 Sadie was your man to play Bok 13. Then when he flopped it was JP. Then when he flopped it was JJ. Then when Kolisi showed him up, it was Taute. Then when he flopped, you just denied he flopped.


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 17:32:16

Man Moffie there is no stopping your lying, its actually getting a little irritating. Find a single post that has me selecting Sadie as my Bok 13 you lying bastard.

 

When on earth did JP, JJ or Taute flop at 13 - in your pathetic mind maybe, but certainly not in mine.

 

Fourie has always been my 13, when he left it was Taute. The likes of JJ, JP, Jordaan, Howard and Sadie were options as back-ups to Taute. Sadie fell out of the equation as a back-up early in 2012.

 

You are so true to form, you just lie about my take on players and get exposed for it, just like you were exposed for the short and fat.

 

Look old man, just settle the argument once and for all and provide evidence of me selecting Sadie as my starting 13 in 2012 you pathetic lying low life. Is there no end to your lying? All the posts are on this site - happy hunting


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 18:15:22

All the posts are on the site?


clevermike

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 18:23:00

Saffex

You ask a legitimate question about the three playes mentioned by Mozart as having flopped at 13 and I will give you an honet breakfown as I see it.

Pietersen

He played for the Sharks at 13 in the initial Super 15 games - when the Sharks had a string of losses partly due to a disfunctional backline.   Part of the problem was that Pietersen - a really world class wing - showed nothing at center tp write home about.   Plumtree then brought in Jordaan at 13 and moved Pietersen back to wing.   Th situation changed dratsically and Pietersen became the top wing he was and started to score more and more tries or played a major roll in scoring of tries.

Pietersen played two further games at 13 - namely in the Siper 15 semi-final (due to the fact that Jordaan was injured) and he did well in that game.   However, in the subsequent final - he had a poor game at 13  and was injured. 

On the whole I would not say he was a flop - his performances were on the whole really very average at 13 and it detracted from the team effort as a whole.   Pietersen is effectively wasted at center and a great asset on the wing.

Engelbrecht

Had a vvery average Super 15 season where he replaced Sadie at 13 early in the season.   Meyer when he started off selected a large number of Bull players for the squad on the basis that he was better acquainted with them than with players from other franchises.   This resulted in the fact that Engelbrecht was on the bench for a number of tests - but he only got playing time of about 15 minutes in one test.   His performance was not really acceptable and he was then dropped from the squad and never recalled.   He then played at 13 on CC level and failed badly on that level.  He really had a bad CC season that i believe he would like to forget,   I would say sen on the whole - he did flop as a 13 and may do better as a wing.

Taute

Taute played at full back for the Lions for the past nearly three years and was moved by the Lions from full back to 13 only in  only April 2012.   He then played at 12 for hree full games on Super 15 level and was injured in the 4th game.   After his return from injury he played for  half a game on CC level at 13 and was then selected by Meyer to play 2 tests for the Springboks.   Taute did not really show any top qualities as a center and he was an average performer on attack - with some real question marks as to his defensive abilities.   Yaute is an excellent full back - but he did not have enough game time to procve that he is an eqyaly good center,   At this stage (I think in all fainess that the move to use him at center was not really successful and I think it will not be repeated in future.

In all fairness Taute was a very average `13 displaying no real qualities that indicates he would be successful at 13.   I would not call him a flop - but he is a plyer that can add value at 15 and very little real value at 13.  Taute himself id emphatic about the issue - he insist he wants to take his career as  full back further - so he should not be forced to play at 13. where he himself feels he would not do as well as he is doing as a full back.     

  


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 19:40:03

Mike given you are discussing the credentials of JP, JJ and Taute as centres, I am not bothering to read the post. Apologies for this as you have addressed the post to me and no doubt you took some time over it.

 

I just cant be asked for it will contain the usual uninformed crap.

 

For the record the only worthy candidates to play 13 for the Boks in my opinion are: Taute, JJ, JP and Jordaan now with the likes of JP du Plessis, Sadie, de Allende and Howard in the future once we have seen more of them. Beyond that that Dries Swanepoel and Tyler Fisher of the Baby Boks will feature.


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 20:09:33

Saffex

You may think it is crap - since you placed the three players mentioned by Mozart on a pdestal and reefuse to recofnize there real performances.   I tried to motivate why 0

*   Pietersen and Taute were really not flops - but were better players in their original positions of wing and full back respectively; and

*   why Englbrecht really was extremely disappointing on CC level.

I have high hopes for some of the youngsters mentioned by you - bt they will have to prove that they are food enough and some of them will get playing time on Super level and may make it.   Lets wait and see what happens in the next six months and then look at them again


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 21:13:28

All the posts are on the site?


Saffex

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 22:44:25

Well you seem to be big on trawling through old posts, so I presume this site has an archive, I am not pathetic enough to check.

But man up and provide evidence of me selecting Sadie as my starting 13 you liar


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 23:03:13

Mike I dont think what you post regarding these players is crap, I know its crap - why you may ask - well, because I have seen more than enough of these players to formulate an opinion and I rely on my eyes and knowledge of the game first and foremost, in fact thats all I rely on.

 

I have nothing to gain by showing faith in these players, its not like they pay me to support them. All players have good and bad moments but everyone of those players have shown me exactly what I look for in a modern day 13 and no-one will change my opinion on that and therefore there is no point in me reading your crap, it bores me.

 

I know Taute was the best 13 for the Boks this year end of. And before you bang on about blind faith and favourites - bullshit, I have changed my opinions of players.For instance at points in time I have rated Bulls players like Schoeman, Werner Kruger, Jacques Potgieter, Jeandre Kruger, Spies and Wannenburg and changed my opinion of them - I dont get them all right and thats just examples of Bulls players


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 17, 2013, 23:25:44

Saffex

I believe that life is a continuois learning process.   Bearing that in mind I elsewhere asked a serious question as to the role of present day centers in backline attacking moves and plays/   I hope you respond to that question so as to open my ,omd on the relevant issue.

In essence I believe I do not see in performances of players what you see and rate as good performances and I really want to see that so as to get a clearer picture of player evaluation and to see whether players meet that requirement or not.

You said two things, namely -

*   I have seen more than enough of these players to formulate an opinion and I rely on my eyes and knowledge of the game first and foremost, in fact thats all I rely on; and

*   Taute is the best bo 13 we had this year.

I would like to see on what those statements are based and why your assessments om tje issue are correct and see whether I agree or disagree with you on issues.   I like that type of issue based on facts and I would want to see for myself what I missed out in looking at games and hopefully then come up with a finding that would be mutually acceptable.   Please answer the appropriate thread on the issue and we can thereafter discuss the findings further.

 


mozart

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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 18, 2013, 00:02:31

All the posts are on the site?


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RE: Taute loving Cape Town and wants to play 15
January 18, 2013, 00:18:14

All the pots are in the kettle


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